We need to make a trade...

[Black Jesus]

I know it is early in the season, but Raja Bell is not getting it done on the kickouts in the corner from Nash, which is vintage Phoenix Suns basketball. This is not the same Suns team as the last few years, and the reason is we don't have a duo of corner three point shooters to spread the court and allow Marion and Stoudemire to wreck havoc.

The solution to this is Mike Miller. Think if the Suns were to offer Marion they could receive Mike Miller and Hakim Warrick (a highflying, fast power forward).

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know it is early in the season, but Raja Bell is not getting it done on the kickouts in the corner from Nash, which is vintage Phoenix Suns basketball. This is not the same Suns team as the last few years, and the reason is we don't have a duo of corner three point shooters to spread the court and allow Marion and Stoudemire to wreck havoc.

The solution to this is Mike Miller. Think if the Suns were to offer Marion they could receive Mike Miller and Hakim Warrick (a highflying, fast power forward).

I agree we don't have the shooters this year, but if we make this deal, our already horrific defense/rebounding gets TEN times worse. Marion's the only one battling for boards. This team, as it looks right now, and as I feared throughout the offseason is old, small and just not put together very well.

 

[Black Jesus]

your very right... this team was not put together well.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Im starting to agree we need to make some kind of change because we just don't look like the same team and we have given up 50 pts to the heat without wade... i'm sorry but that should not happen . Is their any good defense playes in fa that we could bring in other then P.J Brown because I don't think were getting him

 

[Black Jesus]

The main problems this year so far are...

A. Team Chemistry is poor... We have no identity yet. This is not the same run and gun team of old. No Joe Johnson, no Quentin Richardson, no James Jones.

B. Neither Raja Bell nor Grant Hill have been hitting corner threes this season and have been given NUMBEROUS looks. Barbosa might need to be the corner 3 guy this season.

C. Neither Grant Hill nor Barbosa have been used to their strengths. Grant Hill and Barbosa are scorers, Grant Hill especially is being used wrong, he should be making cuts behind Nash to the basket.

D. Amare isn't being himself.

E. Brian Skinner and the rest of the bench sucks.

 

[dodie53]

i'm scared..

 

[krispydude]

so my prediction of the lakers winning the pacific may not be too far fetched...

i agree with cheese, nash is looking old and we are just way too small. i'm fearing teams (not named the spurs) have finally figured a way to combat dantoni's system.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yikes, Mike Miller would be a beast on the Suns.

Thank goodness that hasn't happened!

 

[Cheesebeef]

so my prediction of the lakers winning the pacific may not be too far fetched...

i agree with cheese, nash is looking old and we are just way too small. i'm fearing teams (not named the spurs) have finally figured a way to combat dantoni's system.

whoa, whoa, whoa! I'd just like to say that I never said Nash was looking old, just the team in general. Nash looks like one of the only guys playing out there.

but yeah, we're midgets and we're not nearly as athletic or as good from the perimeter as we used to be. That's a big problem.

 

[az1965]

Raja was never a consistent shooter except for his first year as a Suns.

Barbosa better come out of the funk and so far today it looks like he has started.

Amare has been in and out. He will need 2-3 game to come back into the flow of things.

Give this team another 4-5 game together. I think they will figure it out. Didn't similar thing happenned last year. In fact, we were worse. However, don't except this team to be defensive stalwarts.

 

[Black Jesus]

we lost the first few games last year, but I don't know if I ever thought the looked as bad as they have looked in spurts this season. 60 points to a Wade-less Heat that is giving Penny Hardaway and Smush Parker extended minutes, and an offense that focuses around Ricky Davis and a fat old Shaq... PATHETIC.

 

[krispydude]

whoa, whoa, whoa! I'd just like to say that I never said Nash was looking old, just the team in general. Nash looks like one of the only guys playing out there.

but yeah, we're midgets and we're not nearly as athletic or as good from the perimeter as we used to be. That's a big problem.

ok ok, so you didnt say nash, but i am. he just looks a step slower to me this year. i can count on 1 hand how many times ive seen him penetrate to the basket and try a layup. he's not sucking in the defense and kicking it out to the wide open perimeter guys like he has been. i think they are also having to rely on nash too much to score, which in the past is usually never a good thing for the suns.

 

[dodie53]

but yeah, we're midgets and we're not nearly as athletic or as good from the perimeter as we used to be. That's a big problem.

i agree

 

[SunsTzu]

I've believed since draft night the Suns will use the Atl pick in some sort of package to try to solidify their pathetic front court defense/rebounding, even though I doubt it will put them over the hump. Trading Marion for a package of Mike Miller and filler does not solve the teams problems.

 

[NastyOne]

I've believed since draft night the Suns will use the Atl pick in some sort of package to try to solidify their pathetic front court defense/rebounding, even though I doubt it will put them over the hump. Trading Marion for a package of Mike Miller and filler does not solve the teams problems.

The best option out there right now isnt Mike Miller but the other Miller, Brad Miller.

While he might not be a total beast anymore hes still good enough to help us out bigtime.

 

[SunsTzu]

I'd prefer Jeff Foster. If the Pacers deal JO and go into complete rebuild mode I'm sure he could be had.

 

[NastyOne]

I'd prefer Jeff Foster. If the Pacers deal JO and go into complete rebuild mode I'm sure he could be had.

I like Foster too but even if we could get him D'Antoni would never give him any minutes since hes a clueless offensive player and only good for rebounding.

 

[hcsilla]

I'd prefer Jeff Foster. If the Pacers deal JO and go into complete rebuild mode I'm sure he could be had.

Yes, if the Pacers trade O'Neal, Foster might be available. He is a more mobile version of Kurt Thomas without a midrange J.

Banks, Piatkowski for Foster works under the cap and makes sense for both teams.

 

[SunsTzu]

I like Foster too but even if we could get him D'Antoni would never give him any minutes since hes a clueless offensive player and only good for rebounding.

I wouldn't call him clueless, just limited. He is good at setting picks and hitting the open spots cutting to the basket. I thnk hscilla's comparison is pretty fair.

 

[NastyOne]

Yes, if the Pacers trade O'Neal, Foster might be available. He is a more mobile version of Kurt Thomas without a midrange J.

Banks, Piatkowski for Foster works under the cap and makes sense for both teams.

If the Pacers trade Foster they wont want Banks in return cause they'd be trying to dump his contract not swap him for a worse contract.

We could use our trade exception to acquire Foster.

But its pointless cause he would never getoff the bench under D'Antoni.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would rather go for Gooden and Varejao for Marion. Gooden is an above average rebounder and Varajao would give us size and hustle on the second unit.

Or

Marion for Collison & Wilcox. I've saw a remark about SEA would not give up two bigs for Marion but if you look at there roster they have 3 C's, Durant & Green so they are deep in the frontcourt.

 

[hcsilla]

If the Pacers trade Foster they wont want Banks in return cause they'd be trying to dump his contract not swap him for a worse contract.

I'm not sure.

Banks is younger and more healthy than Foster, and his contract isn't much worse either. Furthermore Tinsley is fragile and heavily underachieving.

We could use our trade exception to acquire Foster.

That would be one of the stupidest moves ever. Sacrifying two 1st rounders for swapping Thomas to a weaker player with a worse contract.

 

[hcsilla]

Marion for Collison & Wilcox. I've saw a remark about SEA would not give up two bigs for Marion but if you look at there roster they have 3 C's, Durant & Green so they are deep in the frontcourt.

The problem is not at Seattle but at Phoenix. Collison and Wilcox are just not worth Marion, especially not for the Suns.

 

[SunsTzu]

I would rather go for Gooden and Varejao for Marion. Gooden is an above average rebounder and Varajao would give us size and hustle on the second unit.

Or

Marion for Collison & Wilcox. I've saw a remark about SEA would not give up two bigs for Marion but if you look at there roster they have 3 C's, Durant & Green so they are deep in the frontcourt.

Neither of those deals is realistic. Varejao would still want 10mil a year even if he were traded and he's really nothing more than a large hustle player with limited skill.

Green and Durant play the wing for the Sonics, Swift is always injured I don't know if you're including Sene or not but he's not an NBA player at this stage and really the only front court players they'd be left with are KT and Petro. Plus I don't see wh the Sonics would want Marion since they'd have to pay him a large salary while still being a lottery team in a town they don't even want to be in.

 

[NastyOne]

I would rather go for Gooden and Varejao for Marion. Gooden is an above average rebounder and Varajao would give us size and hustle on the second unit.

Or

Marion for Collison & Wilcox. I've saw a remark about SEA would not give up two bigs for Marion but if you look at there roster they have 3 C's, Durant & Green so they are deep in the frontcourt.

I would do the Collison and Wilcox for Marion, but that deal with Cleveland is horrible

And even though it pains me to say this, Marion cant be traded right now until Amare starts playing like Amare again. Unless we can get Tyrus Thomas in a deal for Marion, cause i'd be tempted to say screw this season just to see Amare and Tyrus dominate for the next 10 years. (I think the skys the limit for that kid)