We won't win with Warner

[artp]

I don't care if we do improve RB and OL through the off season. We will not make the Playoffs with K Warner as QB. Wasn't he 10 for 30 with 2 ints at Seattle? How many times has Warner made the critical mistake? What is his record as a Cardinal starting QB? I want Warner on the roster, but lets not confuse him with a Playoff starting NFL QB anymore.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't care if we do improve RB and OL through the off season. We will not make the Playoffs with K Warner as QB. Wasn't he 10 for 30 with 2 ints at Seattle? How many times has Warner made the critical mistake? What is his record as a Cardinal starting QB? I want Warner on the roster, but lets not confuse him with a Playoff starting NFL QB anymore.

This topic is dead to begin with, yet you still make no valid point.

Nobody has been whining for Kurt to get the nod, Whiz already said Matt is the man. On top of that, why bring in those stats that mean absolutely nothing? Boldin and Fitz were out for the Seattle game. Should I now say that Kurt should be the starter because he went 15-20 for 250 and no picks or sacks against Baltimore when Matt was 9-20 for 53 yds?

This is the worst thread I have read in quite some time.

 

[HookemCards]

This topic is dead to begin with, yet you still make no valid point.

Nobody has been whining for Kurt to get the nod, Whiz already said Matt is the man. On top of that, why bring in those stats that mean absolutely nothing? Boldin and Fitz were out for the Seattle game. Should I now say that Kurt should be the starter because he went 15-20 for 250 and no picks or sacks against Baltimore when Matt was 9-20 for 53 yds?

This is the worst thread I have read in quite some time.

Which @ Seattle game are you referring too. The one this year he was 28/46 for 337 yds and 3 tds. He did have 5 picks in that game, but I'll give him a bit of a pass since Kerney was attached to his hip the entire game. I'm not saying Warner is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but he's probably the best backup QB in the league. I'd love to lower his cap number a bit, and bring in a better 3rd string guy, but complaining about the job Warner did last year under the circumstances is ridiculous.


Sorry didn't mean to quote you CFM

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I don't care if we do improve RB and OL through the off season. We will not make the Playoffs with K Warner as QB. Wasn't he 10 for 30 with 2 ints at Seattle? How many times has Warner made the critical mistake? What is his record as a Cardinal starting QB? I want Warner on the roster, but lets not confuse him with a Playoff starting NFL QB anymore.

Thank you for sharing your feelings. Sharing is nice!

 

[lobo]

This is the worst thread I have read in quite some time.[/quote]


"It's the time of the season"

 

[Duckjake]

I don't care if we do improve RB and OL through the off season. We will not make the Playoffs with K Warner as QB. Wasn't he 10 for 30 with 2 ints at Seattle? How many times has Warner made the critical mistake? What is his record as a Cardinal starting QB? I want Warner on the roster, but lets not confuse him with a Playoff starting NFL QB anymore.

Rackers makes a couple of kicks and Warner would have been a starting QB in the playoffs. We were that close even with Kurt at QB. I'd say he could do it one more time.

Most TD passes in 20+ years. Most points in 20+ years. Most TD catches by TE's in 15 years. Not bad for an old guy.

Leinart's the man but our season will not end if Matt goes down.

Now if we don't do something about the schizoid defense our season may never begin.

 

[slanidrac16]

My biggest complaint with Warner was when he decides to do too much. QB's are going to throw ints. but its how and when that really kills a team.

I just got thru watching the final game of the season vs the Rams. We were up at halftimeI think 24 -6. We got the kickoff. Warner was flushed out to his left and was buying time when he decided to force a simply idiotic throw for a pick. Two play later the RAms scored and bingo , it's 24-13 and the RAms, at that point , right back in it.
Warner had a couple of other throws that were forced but didn't cost him , when a simple dump off to Edge would have resulted in an EASY 10 yard gain. Warner thru a pick for 6 later in the game but our defense perhaps played their game off the season allowed us to easily overcome any miscues.

Warner did improve over the coarse of the season minimizing the "dumb" picks. If he would just play within himself he could lead this team to a victory against just about anybody. Too many times I've heard "thats not his style, he's a gunslinger". B.S. Manning guided the Giants to a super bowl with steady play and protecting the ball.

I want Leinart to be our guy and I think he will be. However, It's nice knowing that we don't have to sit back and watch the season burn if Leinart is injured or doesn't play up to par. Whiz just has to pull the reigns in on Warner just a tad.

 

[BigRedMO]

Art, I am guessing you saw the whole season last year. The team won with Warner. Warner's numbers were better than Leinart and were damn good compared to his peers. The most TD passes for a Cardinal QB since Neil Lomax. Let that sink in. That was along time ago that Lomax played. The team scored the 3rd most points in the NFC.

Warner is a Super Bowl MVP and a season MVP as I recall. If Warner were 10 years younger, without debate, he would be the starter based on last year's performance. The offense could not move when Leinart was starting. The team could not run the no huddle with Leinart because he had not learned to run it. He wasnt a rookie. He should have been embarrassed he could not run the "whole" offense. That fact is a big danger sign to me.

It is funny how untill this Super Bowl, Eli Manning got such crap from so many people yet he won. Leinart is annointed by some and he has never proven to me he can move the team.

 

[jefftheshark]

I just got thru watching the final game of the season vs the Rams. We were up at halftimeI think 24 -6. We got the kickoff. Warner was flushed out to his left and was buying time when he decided to force a simply idiotic throw for a pick.

That interception cost Warner $500,000. I bet he is unhappier about it than we are.

JTS

 

[slanidrac16]

Art, I am guessing you saw the whole season last year. The team won with Warner. Warner's numbers were better than Leinart and were damn good compared to his peers. The most TD passes for a Cardinal QB since Neil Lomax. Let that sink in. That was along time ago that Lomax played.

Warner is a Super Bowl MVP and a season MVP as I recall. If Warner were 10 years younger, without debate, he would be the starter based on last years performance. The offense could not move when Leinart was starting. The team could not run the no huddle with Leinart because he had not learned to run it. He wasnt a rookie. He should have been embarrassed he could not run the "whole" offense. That fact is a big danger sign to me.

It is funny how untill this Super Bowl Eli Manning got such crap from so many people yet he won. Leinart is annointed by some and he has never proven to me he can move the team.

Please remember that Leinart WAS still a full fledge rookie and already under his second set of coaches and second offense. He did lead a game winning drive against the Seahawks and the Steelers so it was not like the kid was totally inept.
As much as Warner did for this offense you cannot accept throwing for 2 td's but throwing a pick for 6 , another pick inside your own 20 and a fumble inside your opponents 10 yard line. The mistakes negate MORE than the 2 td passes.
If Warner does not protect the ball he is relegated to an average qb. I'm almost willing to bet 13 of 20 passing for 190 yds and 2 tds 0 ints. will win more games than 30 of 40 passing for 300 yards and 3 tds , 3 ints (one for a td ) and a fumble. Unless of coarse you have a simply outstanding defense.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

BIM: Coarse = vulgar or not fine in texture.

Try - course.

 

[Duckjake]

Please remember that Leinart WAS still a full fledge rookie and already under his second set of coaches and second offense. He did lead a game winning drive

I like how Cardinal players get to be rookies for 3-4 years. Means a lot of different rookie cards for me to collect.

 

[BigRedMO]

Please remember that Leinart WAS still a full fledge rookie and already under his second set of coaches and second offense. He did lead a game winning drive against the Seahawks and the Steelers so it was not like the kid was totally inept.
As much as Warner did for this offense you cannot accept throwing for 2 td's but throwing a pick for 6 , another pick inside your own 20 and a fumble inside your opponents 10 yard line. The mistakes negate MORE than the 2 td passes.
If Warner does not protect the ball he is relegated to an average qb. I'm almost willing to bet 13 of 20 passing for 190 yds and 2 tds 0 ints. will win more games than 30 of 40 passing for 300 yards and 3 tds , 3 ints (one for a td ) and a fumble. Unless of coarse you have a simply outstanding defense.

Warner's passing rating was 89.5. That is not an average season. If you take bits and pieces of games just about anybody can be made into a goat or the second Montana. Leinart lost his job even before he got hurt. He could not move the team and Warner was put in on a platoon basis and Warner got results. I dont accept the excuses made for Leinart. Warner went out and played even with the bad elbow. I heard no excuses for his mistakes. Leinart puts in the time and becomes an NFL QB this year or he doesnt. No excuses.

I have my doubts so I am glad Warner is around.

 

[slanidrac16]

Warner's passing rating was 89.5. That is not an average season. If you take bits and pieces of games just about anybody can be made into a goat or the second Montana. Leinart lost his job even before he got hurt. He could not move the team and Warner was put in on a platoon basis and Warner got results. I dont accept the excuses made for Leinart. Warner went out and played even with the bad elbow. I heard no excuses for his mistakes. Leinart puts in the time and becomes an NFL QB this year or he doesnt. No excuses.

I have my doubts so I am glad Warner is around.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad we have Warner too. But I will not defend him when he makes rookie mistakes trying to force the ball into triple coverage when you have an outlet receiver gauranteed to get us 10 yards.
I have no ties to Leinart. However, at the beginning of last season I stated many times that if we thought we were going to put the team on Leinarts back and he was going to lead us to the promise land we would all be set up for disappointment. The veteran leadership on this team (Fitz, Boldin, Edge) were going to have that burden put on them for the 07 season to allow Leinart a bit of time to develop.
More of the burden will now fall on Leinart with another season under his belt albiet most of it from the sidelines.

This year if anybody believes Whiz will sit back and watch the season crumble if Leinart falters will be mistaken. I believe Leinart will have a short leash. He better come in prepared and ready to go.
Thats the way it should be.

 

[BigRedMO]

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad we have Warner too. But I will not defend him when he makes rookie mistakes trying to force the ball into triple coverage when you have an outlet receiver gauranteed to get us 10 yards.
I have no ties to Leinart. However, at the beginning of last season I stated many times that if we thought we were going to put the team on Leinarts back and he was going to lead us to the promise land we would all be set up for disappointment. The veteran leadership on this team (Fitz, Boldin, Edge) were going to have that burden put on them for the 07 season to allow Leinart a bit of time to develop.
More of the burden will now fall on Leinart with another season under his belt albiet most of it from the sidelines.

This year if anybody believes Whiz will sit back and watch the season crumble if Leinart falters will be mistaken. I believe Leinart will have a short leash. He better come in prepared and ready to go.
Thats the way it should be.

I think most great QBs are born in retrospect. It was only after Elway won his first Super Bowl that most Denver fans recognized him as great. Eli Manning was a disappointment to many until this Superbowl. Even Elway, Manning, Bradshaw, Montana or anybody else you care to mention make bad decisions all the way up to their last throws. They are human. They make mistakes. However if you have achieved great status those mistakes are overlooked as not being representative of their play. If a QB is not in that great category those mistakes somehow color the whole season or career. I can find one play or game on any HOF QB and make him look like a bench riding rookie. Farve and his season ending interception come to mind. I dont see people in GB demanding Farve to retire.

 

[john h]

I don't care if we do improve RB and OL through the off season. We will not make the Playoffs with K Warner as QB. Wasn't he 10 for 30 with 2 ints at Seattle? How many times has Warner made the critical mistake? What is his record as a Cardinal starting QB? I want Warner on the roster, but lets not confuse him with a Playoff starting NFL QB anymore.

This is 2008.