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Sources: Mavs may waive Finley

01:04 AM CDT on Friday, June 24, 2005

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

Michael Finley's career with the Mavericks could come to an end this summer because of a clause in the new collective-bargaining agreement that could save owner Mark Cuban as much as $51 million.

Two sources said Thursday that Finley, who has been with the Mavericks longer than any other current player, would be targeted if the Mavericks exercise this cost-cutting option.

The new one-time loophole allows a team to waive a player and be relieved of any luxury-tax responsibility attached to that player's contract. Finley is owed $51,796,875 over the next three seasons. Cuban would still have to pay that in salary.

But because the Mavericks' payroll is so high, Cuban also has to pay a dollar for every dollar that they are over the luxury tax. By jettisoning Finley, he could knock $15 million off his luxury tax next season. The Mavericks were well over the $61 million luxury-tax threshold last season. Essentially, the remainder of Finley's $51 million contract could cost Cuban $102 million if they remain over the luxury-tax threshold, which is probable if Finley is retained.

The Mavericks have discussed the issue and are aware of the implications. It represents a chance to take a huge step toward the club being in a better financial situation for future player dealings. If the Mavericks execute this option, they would not be allowed to re-sign Finley for the length of the contract.

Mavericks officials would not comment specifically about the possibility of taking this measure with Finley, who has 8 ½ years of service with the team and has been called the heart and soul of the franchise for many years.

"Under the new CBA, a player could be released and you would save that money off the tax," president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "Every team in the NBA has a player who fits that mode."

Finley could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Finley fits the description as a player with a maximum contract and three more years left on his deal. He is coming off his least-productive season as a Maverick, averaging 15.7 points and 4.1 rebounds and shooting 42.7 percent. However, an ankle injury hindered him much of the season and required surgery after the playoffs.

Numerous NBA teams figure to use this loophole to their financial advantage. The New York Knicks reportedly are pursuing the option of waiving oft-injured Allan Houston, who like Finley has a long-term maximum contract.

The process cannot officially start until the new CBA is signed, which isn't expected to happen until at least July 22.

If the Mavericks were to move on the Finley issue, it would mean they could lose the two players who have been with the club the longest in the span of a few weeks.

Shawn Bradley, who joined the team two months after Finley, has begun discussions with the team about a buyout of his contract that would allow him to retire after 12 seasons in the NBA.

"Shawn has been feeling the cumulative effects of injuries to his knees and hip," Cuban said Thursday. "Retirement is something we are talking about, but he hasn't made a final decision yet."

The Mavericks apparently are trying to arrange a long-term buyout of the 7-6 center's contract, which is worth $14.5 million, including $4.5 million next season. Although that money would still count against the salary cap, some of it could be deferred.

Bradley could not be reached for comment Thursday. However, his mother, Teresa, said via e-mail from Utah that her son's retirement was set at the end of the season.

Bradley apparently wants to devote more time to his family. He and wife Annette recently had their sixth child.

When Avery Johnson took over as coach, Bradley was reduced to 12th-man status. With young centers Pavel Podkolzin and D.J. Mbenga on the roster, the 33-year-old Bradley was unlikely to get much playing time next season or beyond. The No. 2 overall pick in the 1993 draft, he averaged 8.1 points and 6.3 rebounds for his career.

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he, like nash, was drafted by the suns.

he and nash are really good friends.

he'd probably be offered MLE and more playing time elsewhere, but dude might want more than that? what do you think?
 

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I think he'd be a solid pickup, only that JJax kind of fills that role. But his grittiness and toughness would be very helpful.
 

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Maybe he'd love to join his good pal Steve Nash for a championship ride next season for the min. :D

Seriously, if we can pull this off, the more reason we move Marion for another big like Magloire or Swift, as we'd already have JJ/JJ/Finley and maybe Marshall if we signed him for SF/SG, not to mention LB.
 

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Finley CAN NOT replace Marion. As we saw in the SUns-Mavs series, Finley has grown very inconsistent w/ age. A lot of Mavs fans really hate him because of this.

The one thing Im still not sure on is, lets say the Mavs do cut him, they are still paying the remainder of his contract right? So this means the Suns would have to sign him to another contract? Perhaps he (or a player in his situation) would sign for the vet minimum since they are making so much from their old team?

I think Finley would be great off the bench, he would be good in the locker room. He can hit the three most of the time, and he is an all around solid player. But he certainly isnt the missing piece or anything. I'd only be interested if we got him for a bargain basement price.
 

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Boy, I'm not sure why the rest of the NBA owners approved this rule. When I saw that the New York Knicks were one of the representatives in those meetings over last weekend I suspected they would give up on the super luxury tax. This rule is kind of fun, but for the life of me I can't understand it. Basically these teams were excused for their reckless signings at the cost of the owners to have managed their payrolls.

Re: Michael Finley... I think you would be great off the bench, but I'm not sure there's really room for him. I don't see him signing for the minimum.

There will be several title contenders looking for his services if this goes through. Denver Nuggets are probably licking their chops.

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I'd have to know more about his health and his price, but it would certainly be worth considering. I'm still leaning toward Donyell Marshall, but Finely might fit.
 

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Allen Houston is available as well. I would love Finley here off the bench. We would not have people bashing our bench that way.
 

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A big NO to Finley or Houston.

They are done........if you watched them play this year you can see that. Finley had one very good game against us after JJ went down, but he has lost his shooting touch.

Houston is a stand still shooter that D'Antoni would never want.
 

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The problem with Finley is that he's much less versatile than Q or Jim Jackson at this point; he's not going to rebound or defend like Q, or dribble and create like JJax. He's a jump-shooter--a good one, and he has a good track record health-wise, but that's all he'll contribute. That said, the Suns could use Finley, since they now need another veteran swingman.

The good news is that Finley almost certainly wouldn't have the same ego problems in Phoenix that he did in Dallas, and if the money were equal, I'm sure Finley would prefer Phoenix over another team. The bad news is that Nash and the team might defer to Finley like the Mavs did, and if that happens, Finley will be worse than useless.


I could see Finley signing for McDyess money--MLE for four years--which would leave the Suns' LLE for a big man. That's a lot of money for a backup, but if the Suns are willing to take on KT's contract, they'd better be willing to keep spending... :mad:
 

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I would want Finley here, but probably just because of nostalga. I still have a #4 Suns in my closet.
 

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cly2tw said:
Maybe he'd love to join his good pal Steve Nash for a championship ride next season for the min. :D

Seriously, if we can pull this off, the more reason we move Marion for another big like Magloire or Swift, as we'd already have JJ/JJ/Finley and maybe Marshall if we signed him for SF/SG, not to mention LB.



.......signing finley so that we can trade Marion????????? are you kidding me. Finley is no more than a bench player, as the Mavs series showed us. he's extremely inconsistant and has absolutley no legs. signing him, and trading Marion for SWIFT??????????? you cant be serious.

i'd use at most the LLE on Finley....giving us something to put at the SG slot to backup JJ. Barbs would be either delegated to the 3rd string SG/2nd string PG, or traded all together.

but no way in hell the suns trade Marion and use Finley as a starter.

i wouldnt be dissappointed in seeing this:

Amare/Thomas
Marshall/Draft pick
Marion/JJax
JJ/Finley
Nash/Barbs

Amare/Draft
Thomas/Marshall
Marion/JJax
JJ/Finley
Nash/Barbs
 

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