What happened to Rolo?

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back injuries for a big man are problematic for any player's career. back injuries for a big man with average athleticism to begin are a death knell. you add those two factors together and you've got a metaphoric and literal stiff.
 

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back injuries for a big man are problematic for any player's career. back injuries for a big man with average athleticism to begin are a death knell. you add those two factors together and you've got a metaphoric and literal stiff.

I think this is part of it if your referring to his defense. However, Lopez even in College was an underwhelming rebounder for his size. His offense was always considered a project.

The fact that as of today he sucks at rebounding and isn't that good at offense has nothing to do with this back IMO. His defense on the other hand is what has shocked me. Maybe that is related to his back because he needs to be able to bang with guys and rotate on defense. Both he has been horrid at this year. It could very well be related to back issues.
 

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I think this is part of it if your referring to his defense. However, Lopez even in College was an underwhelming rebounder for his size. His offense was always considered a project.

The fact that as of today he sucks at rebounding and isn't that good at offense has nothing to do with this back IMO. His defense on the other hand is what has shocked me. Maybe that is related to his back because he needs to be able to bang with guys and rotate on defense. Both he has been horrid at this year. It could very well be related to back issues.

don't get me wrong, i was never really impressed with anything about rolo to begin with. add back injuries to a non-athletic project center and you've pretty much got jack squat.
 

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Every once in awhile we'll see Gortat slap a rebound in traffic to another Sun if that is all he can do.

It seems that Lopez slaps at the ball with one hand in traffic all the time.

Our last game is a perfect example. He slapped an offensive rebound to no one in particular, then followed it by slapping a defensive rebound out of bounds with no one near him. That was exasperating!

The only rebounds he made were on free throws where he was next to the basket and on one that fell to him.

I think that is why so many of us have given up on him as an NBA center. Any sandlot player knows better than to use a one-hand slap at every competitive rebound.

Gortat learned going against Howard in practice. Lopez is not learning going against Gortat.
 

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back injuries for a big man are problematic for any player's career. back injuries for a big man with average athleticism to begin are a death knell. you add those two factors together and you've got a metaphoric and literal stiff.

I think you're somewhat right here. However I think the problems regarding his back are more mental than physical as he has shown flashes of being what he was at the end of last year.

With major injuries athletes end up trying to overcompensate for their injury and either injury themselves elsewhere or are simply not as aggressive. Rolo seems to be doing the latter and has returned to old bad habits as a way to protect himself add in the loss of Amare and well you're looking at the result.

The Suns coaching staff needs to figure a way to get him out of it or trade him for another big in the offseason
 

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I have not seen a starting player this SUCKAGE for a while. Almost every highlight that involves Robin is him getting blocked or stolen or whatever.

Back injury? Isn't Robin still very young? If he can't play like an average NBA player at age 23, what else can he do later?

This is scary.

Two players that are not even half of what they were last year... Robin and Dragic. If the injuries are that bad, maybe they shouldn't play?
 

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I have not seen a starting player this SUCKAGE for a while. Almost every highlight that involves Robin is him getting blocked or stolen or whatever.

Back injury? Isn't Robin still very young? If he can't play like an average NBA player at age 23, what else can he do later?

This is scary.

Two players that are not even half of what they were last year... Robin and Dragic. If the injuries are that bad, maybe they shouldn't play?
In responding to your thoughts, I believe there really is no similarity between Dragic and Lopez.

Goran Dragic was caught in the Steve Nash syndrome. Trying to be Steve and play Steve's game at Point Guard. The same with Barbosa. It just doesn't work.

Ironically, yesterday Aaron Brooks abandoned that approach vs. the Raptors in our back-to-back following the triple overtime game vs. the Lakers.

He had 25 points and 8 assists in 33 minutes and led us to a come-from-behind victory. Even Gentry has said that he's got to be himself.

As far as Robin the Boy Wonder, watch two things when he's on the court and you'll see why he's failing.

He actually looks like he has never played the game before and is trying to figure it out while the game is going on.

And unless the ball falls right to him with no one else around, he doesn't catch rebounds, he slaps them to no one in particular or out of bounds.

His basketball IQ is horrible, especially on defense and rebounding.

His stats for the season are 7.2 points and 3.5 rebounds in 56 games. But 25 of those games were before Gortat arrived and some games afterwards until we realized just how good he is.
 

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How can a guy that went to Stanford have such low basketball IQ?
Party hardy, dude. :)

Seriously, I wonder if playing in his twin's shadow has left him with hangups . . . or even carried him on his coattails, with expectations Robin cannot fulfill.

That would take a psychologist to explore.
 

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It's sad that last season I saw many articles about how much Robin has improved and how much he brought to the table but this season he is like completely opposite. He can't play without Amare??

Has any 7-footer got as much blocked as he did in highlights? I want to like him but he is just so darn slow.
 

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In responding to your thoughts, I believe there really is no similarity between Dragic and Lopez.

Goran Dragic was caught in the Steve Nash syndrome. Trying to be Steve and play Steve's game at Point Guard. The same with Barbosa. It just doesn't work.

Ironically, yesterday Aaron Brooks abandoned that approach vs. the Raptors in our back-to-back following the triple overtime game vs. the Lakers.

He had 25 points and 8 assists in 33 minutes and led us to a come-from-behind victory. Even Gentry has said that he's got to be himself.

I still think Suns should have kept Dragic but it's just me. I really liked him.
 

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Seriously, I wonder if playing in his twin's shadow has left him with hangups . . . or even carried him on his coattails, with expectations Robin cannot fulfill.

That would take a psychologist to explore.

I think his fragile psyche runs in the family. His brother has struggled in NJ this year as well.
 

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I think his fragile psyche runs in the family. His brother has struggled in NJ this year as well.
But at least Brook is averaging 20.0 ppg at this time. His one-dimension is making somewhat of a contribution to the NJ/Bklyn Nets.

'Not one that I'd be happy with but, nonetheless, a one-dimensional contribution.

Robin has been a 1/4-dimensional player, as we all know.
 
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