What happened to the pitcher that we saw last year. Did Brenley overpitch him last year. He doesn't seem to be able to get anyone out anymore. Now it would seem that we have two guys in the bullpen with no confidence and can't get anyone out anymore. With Dessens, Villarreal and Mantei all pitching today, is it any wonder that the Cubs put up 11 on us.
What happened to Villarreal?
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I think that is it Brenly over pitched our whole bullpen. EEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!
I agree that it is because Villarreal has been over-extended the last 2 seasons... Which leads me to next question..... I know that the Dbacks needed an IF on the roster in case of emergency (Hairston being promoted to fill in for Sadler), however, they already have Baerga on the bench who is more than capable to spell Kata at 2B....Hairston hasnt seen any action yet, so essentially he's wasting a roster spot... DeVore was brought-up apparently to be a late inning defensive replacement for Gonzalez, but he didnt see any action until he came in as a PH in todays game (roughly a week after being recalled)...Which is waste of another valuable roster spot....
Why I bring all of that up....The Dbacks only are carrying 11 pitchers on their staff and I thought after how their BP was depleted in Sundays 14 inning game that they would have brought-up either Scott Service or Raggio...
They desperately need more arms since Villarreal will develop (if he hasnt already) tired arm-syndrome....I brought up this key point before... People tend to overlook that a reliever throws several warm-up pitches and along with actual game pitches..that only compounds matters worse Koplove couldnt pitch more than 2 consecutive games last year and if Brenly continues to use him at the current rate, he'll eventually end-up on the DL....
I know that Shane Reynolds obviously struggled in Spring Training, but I guess he's throwing in the BP this weekend for the first time since he was placed on the DL and will probably go on a rehab assignment....Due to the fact that he has a guaranteed 1 mil+ contract, he'll be activated and pitch long-relief initially and gradually work himself back into the rotation... Or Fossum will replace Dessens in the rotation whenever he's ready.....
Yes, Villarreal has been excessively used and they must bring-up another reliever soon or else.....
Why I bring all of that up....The Dbacks only are carrying 11 pitchers on their staff and I thought after how their BP was depleted in Sundays 14 inning game that they would have brought-up either Scott Service or Raggio...
They desperately need more arms since Villarreal will develop (if he hasnt already) tired arm-syndrome....I brought up this key point before... People tend to overlook that a reliever throws several warm-up pitches and along with actual game pitches..that only compounds matters worse Koplove couldnt pitch more than 2 consecutive games last year and if Brenly continues to use him at the current rate, he'll eventually end-up on the DL....
I know that Shane Reynolds obviously struggled in Spring Training, but I guess he's throwing in the BP this weekend for the first time since he was placed on the DL and will probably go on a rehab assignment....Due to the fact that he has a guaranteed 1 mil+ contract, he'll be activated and pitch long-relief initially and gradually work himself back into the rotation... Or Fossum will replace Dessens in the rotation whenever he's ready.....
Yes, Villarreal has been excessively used and they must bring-up another reliever soon or else.....
BC867
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You hit it on the head, KingLouie. I am very concerned about how long it will take to lose Koplove again.KingLouieLouie said:
I've compared Bob Brenly to Billy Martin before. Every time Martin accepted a Managerial position, his best performance was the first year. Then he began to wear out his welcome and his pitching staff. And his teams went downhill in every assignment.
I see alot of that in Bob Brenly. Between his weak communications with his players . . . and his handling of the pitching staff (surprising for an ex-Catcher) . . . he's not built for the long run.
As more and more BabyBacks fill the D'backs roster, we're ready for the guy who prepared so many of them to move up and succeed immediately at the Major League level, Al Pedrique.
RLakin
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BC867 said:You hit it on the head, KingLouie. I am very concerned about how long it will take to lose Koplove again.
I've compared Bob Brenly to Billy Martin before. Every time Martin accepted a Managerial position, his best performance was the first year. Then he began to wear out his welcome and his pitching staff. And his teams went downhill in every assignment.
I see alot of that in Bob Brenly. Between his weak communications with his players . . . and his handling of the pitching staff (surprising for an ex-Catcher) . . . he's not built for the long run.
As more and more BabyBacks fill the D'backs roster, we're ready for the guy who prepared so many of them to move up and succeed immediately at the Major League level, Al Pedrique.
This is what got Jeff Torborg fired (and record) in Florida. The organization didn't like way he burned out his starting staff. It's the opposite w/ Brenly, and I have yet to hear much outrage at the way he blew out Koplove and Villarreal last season. I don't doubt Villarreal is feeling some of those effects this season. That and the fact that the guy still doesn't have a defined role in the bullpen.
On a the same note, Ron Santo and the Cubs broadcasters were asking the D-Backs why Brenly took out Daigle after 66 pitches.
AZZenny
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Again, Oscar missed almost ALL of ST with a vague 'sore' arm which suddenly improved in time for the start of the season - time to put him on the vague DL and let the docs figure it out. We pitched him hard last year, plus he'd played heavy winter ball the off-season before that.
Put Dessens and Mantei on the mental DL, too. Here are ready alternatives:
Dessens 28 IP, 7.85 ERA 2:1 SO/W 5 HR
Good - - 21 - - 3.43 - - 3.5:1 -- 4
Fossum may be ready in another week or ten days.
Villareal 15 IP 7.80 ERA 3.5:1 SO/W 3 HR
Medders 11.2 -- 2.31 -- 3:1 -- 2
Mantei 9.1 -- 12.45 -- 2:1 -- 5
Bruney 20.1 -- 2.21 -- 2:1 -- 1
Choate 9.2 -- 7.45 -- 2.25:1 -- 0
Service 12 -- 3.65 -- 3:1 -- 1
Put Dessens and Mantei on the mental DL, too. Here are ready alternatives:
Dessens 28 IP, 7.85 ERA 2:1 SO/W 5 HR
Good - - 21 - - 3.43 - - 3.5:1 -- 4
Fossum may be ready in another week or ten days.
Villareal 15 IP 7.80 ERA 3.5:1 SO/W 3 HR
Medders 11.2 -- 2.31 -- 3:1 -- 2
Mantei 9.1 -- 12.45 -- 2:1 -- 5
Bruney 20.1 -- 2.21 -- 2:1 -- 1
Choate 9.2 -- 7.45 -- 2.25:1 -- 0
Service 12 -- 3.65 -- 3:1 -- 1
Fossum is scheduled to start tonight, if all goes well, I see Oscar going on the DL or down to AAA, with Fossum coming up and taking Elmers spot in the rotation, with Elmer becoming a middle reliever. If he blows it in that role, I would expect his unconditional release before the trade deadline!
Evil Ash
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Azlen said:
He basically has the same problem that a lot of the pitchers on this team seems to have ... bad mechanics. It doesn't appear that he knows where the heck his pitches are going half the time and the rest of the time its bad pitches down the heart of the plate.
If he fixes his mechanics, he should be back to his old self. Until then though, he is unreliable
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
If he fixes his mechanics?Evil Ash said:
If bad mechanics are as widespread on our staff as you say (and I believe you're correct), isn't the onus on our Pitching Coach? And having a Manager who's a former Catcher is supposed to be a 'plus' to a pitching staff.
green machine
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He is just pitching poorly. I don't think he's overworked, the guy had an offseason to recover. If he was hurt coming out of Spring Training then that's a different story.
Maybe he isn't as good as everyone things he is. it could be that last season was his super season and that what we are now seeing is the real thing.
One of the problems with this team is that we are depending on players in their second season assuming that they will be just as good this year as last year. I don't think you can expect the same from all of these 2nd year players. One or two may do as well but most won't.
I think what we are seeing is what we are going to see for the year unless we do something about the pitching.
az240z
One of the problems with this team is that we are depending on players in their second season assuming that they will be just as good this year as last year. I don't think you can expect the same from all of these 2nd year players. One or two may do as well but most won't.
I think what we are seeing is what we are going to see for the year unless we do something about the pitching.
az240z
Here's 2 possible scenarios:
First, Villarreal may have problems with his mechanics due to "tired-arm syndrome" or anyother injury, but doesn't want to admit it to Brenly since he's afraid of being placed on the DL for an extended period... Yes...he is risking a possible demotion to Tucson by his recent performance, however, some young pitchers never concede to an injury because they fear theyre jeopardizing their long-term future.
Second, I do agree with az240zz in the sense that one can't base too much on "small sample size"....Villareal virtually came out of nowhere and the opposition had no idea on how to approach him.... Now, since most teams have faced him at least 3 xs..the opposition is now accustomed to him....Thats where the pitcher (and his pitching coach) must learn to make the proper adjustments to counter against that...
First, Villarreal may have problems with his mechanics due to "tired-arm syndrome" or anyother injury, but doesn't want to admit it to Brenly since he's afraid of being placed on the DL for an extended period... Yes...he is risking a possible demotion to Tucson by his recent performance, however, some young pitchers never concede to an injury because they fear theyre jeopardizing their long-term future.
Second, I do agree with az240zz in the sense that one can't base too much on "small sample size"....Villareal virtually came out of nowhere and the opposition had no idea on how to approach him.... Now, since most teams have faced him at least 3 xs..the opposition is now accustomed to him....Thats where the pitcher (and his pitching coach) must learn to make the proper adjustments to counter against that...
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I believe most the time bad mechanics are due to 2 problems, laziness, or tired. Villareal is tired. I think a trip to the 15 day DL would actually do him some good.
AZZenny
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I'd wondered if the "sore arm" that kept him out of ST was a factor - didn't believe it was merely sophomore slump due to having been seen last year and 'figured out' - since he was throwing so many wild pitches. In fact, whatever it is, they are saying it's the forearm, same as in ST - Lessard said he noticed him "fussing" with the arm a couple days ago and got suspicious. So 15 day DL it is. I think it would be good for Mantei, too. Mental Health leave in sunny Tucson.
I figure this is Andrew Good's last shot to declare himself a "keeper" and he did a nice job last night. I like him, friendly guy - hope he can show he really belongs - he might be just fine for a long-relief role. Oh - wait - that's going to be Elmer's job.
I figure this is Andrew Good's last shot to declare himself a "keeper" and he did a nice job last night. I like him, friendly guy - hope he can show he really belongs - he might be just fine for a long-relief role. Oh - wait - that's going to be Elmer's job.
