White less likely to go to Charlotte

[elindholm]

The Detroit News is reporting that the Bobcats will "almost certainly" accept a bribe from the Pistons to take Elden Campbell. (Quoted by Hoopshype; I can't make sense out of the link.) I don't know why Charlotte would take both Campbell and White -- that's two spots for marginal veteran big men who won't be around after next year.

Will the Suns up the ante? Or will they make do with the cap space they have?

Hoopshype also reports than Darko Milicic broke his hand while attempting a shot in the closing minutes of Game 5. LOL, I saw no unusual contact at all. People say Cabarkapa is frail, sheesh.

 

[hcsilla]

I don't know why Charlotte would take both Campbell and White --

For getting two 1st round picks instead of one.

 

[Mainstreet]

As you know, I hope we hang onto White especially if we have to give up a first round pick. I like the idea of having a three prong center if we could add Foyle.

We could play White and Foyle to soften up the other team and then bring Voshkuhl in when we need enery and to shoot better free throws. Then if the Suns could add a veteran perimeter player and our #7 pick, the Suns might be looking good.

However, maybe Charlotte's going to take Eisley & money for our #7 and give us their second rounder.

 

[Chaplin]

The Detroit News is reporting that the Bobcats will "almost certainly" accept a bribe from the Pistons to take Elden Campbell. (Quoted by Hoopshype; I can't make sense out of the link.) I don't know why Charlotte would take both Campbell and White -- that's two spots for marginal veteran big men who won't be around after next year.

Will the Suns up the ante? Or will they make do with the cap space they have?

Hoopshype also reports than Darko Milicic broke his hand while attempting a shot in the closing minutes of Game 5. LOL, I saw no unusual contact at all. People say Cabarkapa is frail, sheesh.

Bye bye Eisley! LOL

 

[coloradosun]

We are going to be stuck with Eisley, Charlotte does not want his contract. We can only offer $3M plus a pick to take him, I believe he has $10 M left to be compensated, so Charlotte would still be responsible for $7M. That's not fiscally sound if they would cut him.

If the Bobcats take Campbell and White they would receive two first round draft choices and $6M. That money basically pays for either one of their salaries for next year if they decide to keep one. My guess is that they may keep Jahidi who would have more benefit for a younger team. They would cut Campbell.

In my opinion we should consider signing Campbell or take on his contract in return. He would replace the bulk we lose with White and basically trade an expiring contract for an expiring contract and save the $2M difference between contracts, opening up some cap space.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I thought this was all assumed months ago. Campbell and White have been the first 2 picks in every mock expansion draft Ford wrote (so it isn't a new idea).

Charlotte would waive both players, pick up their picks. Since both teams would pay 3 million cash, they would only owe the two about 5 million......

 

[devilalum]

Another article said the Bobcats would take White, 3mil and a pick and trade him.

White will have trade value this year. The Bobcats could trade White for a descent guard or forward with a longer contract.

 

[devilalum]

They could also take this deal and release him essentially buying the pick for $2.9 mil.

Is the Cleveland pick worth that much?

 

[Mainstreet]

Another article said the Bobcats would take White, 3mil and a pick and trade him.

Exactly. No number one for the Bobcats.

White has trade value and can be moved, if need be, without giving up a first round pick to another team.

 

[elindholm]

I thought this was all assumed months ago.

Sorry, I guess I missed that.

Campbell and White have been the first 2 picks in every mock expansion draft Ford wrote (so it isn't a new idea).

Ford's is the only one I've seen, and if he intended it to be a real (i.e. sequential) mock draft, it made no sense at all. Even if the Bobcats were to take both Campbell and White, why on earth would they do it with their first two picks?

 

[Chaplin]

Ford's is the only one I've seen, and if he intended it to be a real (i.e. sequential) mock draft, it made no sense at all. Even if the Bobcats were to take both Campbell and White, why on earth would they do it with their first two picks?

Huh? Why does it matter WHERE they pick them? They have nobody to compete with, so whether they pick them first or last doesn't matter one bit.

 

[elindholm]

Huh? Why does it matter WHERE they pick them? They have nobody to compete with, so whether they pick them first or last doesn't matter one bit.

I knew someone would say that.

First of all, if it doesn't matter, why does a mock draft rank them at all? They should just be listed alphabetically.

It matters because it makes a statement about how the franchise views the player. The top picks in the expansion draft will be identified as the players that the team intends to build around. If they intend to build around, I don't know, Stackhouse and Pavlovic, then those should be their first picks. It's just marketing, but it's also common sense.

 

[Chaplin]

Huh? Why does it matter WHERE they pick them? They have nobody to compete with, so whether they pick them first or last doesn't matter one bit.

I knew someone would say that.

First of all, if it doesn't matter, why does a mock draft rank them at all? They should just be listed alphabetically.

It matters because it makes a statement about how the franchise views the player. The top picks in the expansion draft will be identified as the players that the team intends to build around. If they intend to build around, I don't know, Stackhouse and Pavlovic, then those should be their first picks. It's just marketing, but it's also common sense.

Now you're just talking semantics and making up excuses. There's no reason to read "conspiracy" in the way Ford lists his picks.

 

[Quagmire]

Ford grouped White and Campbell together because he wanted to show what picks they could receive from the expansion draft. Then he discusses which players they will plan of keeping.

 

[George O'Brien]

My money is still on White and Cleveland pick. White might even make their team.

The Campbell deal would be on the top of the "most likely" deals, but there is one fly in the oinment when comparing White and Campbell. If each requires draft picks, the Cleveland pick is likely to be worth more than the Detroit pick since the first year the Cavs are in the playoffs they will end up with a #15 or #16 pick. This is vastly more valuable than a late first round pick.

 

[elindholm]

Now you're just talking semantics and making up excuses.

Follow the thread, please.

Thegrahamcrackr described Campbell and White as "the first 2 picks in every mock expansion draft." I don't think he would have said that unless he meant to convey that those players are very high on the list.

I responded that it makes very little sense for those two players to be at the top of any list, and I explained why.

Now you are retorting that the ranking of the list doesn't matter, which basically reinforces my point.

 

[Chaplin]

Now you're just talking semantics and making up excuses.

Follow the thread, please.

Thegrahamcrackr described Campbell and White as "the first 2 picks in every mock expansion draft." I don't think he would have said that unless he meant to convey that those players are very high on the list.

I responded that it makes very little sense for those two players to be at the top of any list, and I explained why.

Now you are retorting that the ranking of the list doesn't matter, which basically reinforces my point.

That is not correct. You have implied several times that the ranking DOES matter, otherwise why did you post that it was such a big deal that Ford put them at the top of the list? Maybe you should read what you write.

 

[elindholm]

That is not correct. You have implied several times that the ranking DOES matter, otherwise why did you post that it was such a big deal that Ford put them at the top of the list? Maybe you should read what you write.

Thanks, I already did. Here it is again for you, in case you can't find it earlier in the thread:

"Ford's is the only one I've seen, and if he intended it to be a real (i.e. sequential) mock draft, it made no sense at all. Even if the Bobcats were to take both Campbell and White, why on earth would they do it with their first two picks?"

I think anyone with a high-school command of English would understand that I am expressing skepticism about the "ranking" in Ford's mock draft. But you are welcome to disagree if you wish.

 

[devilalum]

That is not correct. You have implied several times that the ranking DOES matter, otherwise why did you post that it was such a big deal that Ford put them at the top of the list? Maybe you should read what you write.

Thanks, I already did. Here it is again for you, in case you can't find it earlier in the thread:

"Ford's is the only one I've seen, and if he intended it to be a real (i.e. sequential) mock draft, it made no sense at all. Even if the Bobcats were to take both Campbell and White, why on earth would they do it with their first two picks?"

I think anyone with a high-school command of English would understand that I am expressing skepticism about the "ranking" in Ford's mock draft. But you are welcome to disagree if you wish.

How does the order they choose make any difference at all?

 

[fordronken]

Anyone with a high school command of English would have fallen asleep reading this argument by now. Or pulled their hair out. Having just woken up, I elected for the latter.

 

[elindholm]

How does the order they choose make any difference at all?



I give up. Fordronken is right on this one.

 

[devilalum]

I read that the Suns will get a trade exception if they can get Charlotte to take White.

Would they be able to use this as additional cap space or would they be able to use this to sign additional free agents after they use all the cap space or would they be able to use this to trade for a player with a larger contract after they spend all their cap space?

 

[Chaplin]

I read that the Suns will get a trade exception if they can get Charlotte to take White.

Would they be able to use this as additional cap space or would they be able to use this to sign additional free agents after they use all the cap space or would they be able to use this to trade for a player with a larger contract after they spend all their cap space?

Since we're already under the cap, doesn't that exception become virtually worthless? I don't know much about trade exceptions.

 

[George O'Brien]

Since we're already under the cap, doesn't that exception become virtually worthless? I don't know much about trade exceptions.

I agree. The only way the exception makes sense would be if the Suns decided to "not" renounce their Bird rights on Dice. That would give them the MLE, the White exemption of $5.8, the LLE of about $1.6, and the right to sign their draft pick worth $1.8 million.

MLE - $5.1
wHITE - $5.8
LLE - $1.6
#7 - $1.8
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$14.3

In this scenerio, the Suns can pay Dice anything they want on a one year deal. Obviously it makes no sense if you don't want to keep Dice, but it is not completely out of the question if they decide that Kobe is out of reach.

 

[sunsfn]

This Has Turned Into A Shammockery!!