Whiz Created This Mess: A Chronology

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Let me first say that I have a profound respect for the direction Whiz is taking the Cardinals. There's so much to feel optimistic about (what a wonderful reprieve for us much beleaguered Cardinals fans!)...the deepest roster in the modern era...creative utilizations of the personnel...and exemplary organization...so, it pains me to criticize him in this case...but, from this vantage point, it appears he deserves it.

Cases in Point:

1. Last year, for right or for wrong, Whiz decided to bring Leinart along slowly...so slowly in fact, Leinart was being replaced in the middle of the second quarters by Kurt Warner, as Warner was assigned the team's "two-minute" QB.

What was a little curious about this was the fact that at USC and with the Cardinals (as in the Bears game on National TV), Leinart was pretty darned good in the two minute drill.

Whiz said it was too much too soon for Leinart to learn...which is why he gave the role to Warner.

Now...seeing as Warner showed he was particularly effective at the role, Whiz made a good call tabbing Warner for that role. No fault there...but Whiz was bucking NFL tradition by regularly playing and alternating two QBs. Colleges do this, not NFL teams.

But...what was this doing to Leinart's psyche when the same script was being rolled out in the first five games???...the offense would struggle early (no first drive TDs and very few first quarter points) with Leinart under center...in comes Warner, he moves the offense in a manner that looked so strikingly easy in comparison to what Leinart was doing...

Then...how many times did we as fans beg for Whiz to start Warner in the second halfs, especially after he was the one moving the team? Raise your hand. I did every time.

The raise your hand if you were upset to see Leinart trot out to start the second half?

Imagine how hard that was for Leinart? It was hard enough for us, the fans.

Leinart had to know that his teammates most likely wanted Warner themselves. Warner, after all, was moving the team.

Then, in the Pittsburgh game, when Warner led the team to a lead, Whiz sends Leinart back in and Leinart leads the team down and scores an insurance TD...and the TEAM thing was on...and we all went WOW...how gutsy...way to lift Leinart's spirits back up.

The next game versus the Rams, Leinart starts and is struggling again and then suffers his season-endidng injury.

Warner comes in and leads the team to a 34-31 victory.

But, Warner gets hurt himself..misses the Carolina game, yet amazingly returns for the Washington game, donning a Michelin man cast on his left elbow...and almost pulls out the game in a 19-21 loss.

Warner starts the rest of the way, and under his leadership the Cardinals average over 30 points a game for the second half of the season.

Yes, it wasn't all pretty...Warner's fumbling propensity remained an issue and an Achilles' heel...and in one game Warner and offensive coach Todd Haley were screaming at each other on the sidelines after Warner made a bonehead throw trying to escape a pass rush.

But...the season ended on quite a high note...Warner looked at the top of his game...and the usually low scoring Cardinals scored 78 points in their last two games, both victories.

2. With the off-season, it would have seemed appropriate that Whiz treat the QB situation the same way he tends to treat the situations at the other positions: put the job up for competition.

With no pressing urgency to do so, Whiz announces to the media that Matt Leinart is the team's starter and mentions that his policy is that injured starters don't lose their jobs.

The insider question is in this case: was Whiz prompted by the front office to make this move?

Let's examine the alternatives: (A) What if Whiz named Warner the starter? Would Warner therefore have been entitled to a new contract that paid him starter's money? In a year where the team was trying to solve the Fitz, Pace, Dansby, Boldin contract dilemmas, could they afford to reopen discussions with Warner? Why not name Leinart the starter, which would diffuse the Warner contract situation, and then if Leinart fails and Warner wins the job later, the new contract is a moot point then. (B) What if Whiz called for an open competition? Would Warner have still wanted a reworked contract? Would this be the vote of confidence that some may have felt Matt Leinart needed? What shadow of doubt would this place on the Cardinals' using a #10 draft pick to select the Heisman Trophy winner?

3. Heading into camp the word is the starting QB's job is Leinart's and it's his "his job to lose." Leinart has worked hard and studied film diligently, we are told by Whiz...we are also told not to over-react to Leinart's off-field beer bong party debacle...

Regardless...all indications were that Leinart was to be the starter.

4. Leinart starts game one---a nationally televised game on ESPN---and plays well. Kurt Warner is not even played in the game...and is his usual class act on the sidelines during an in-game ESPN interview. Warner states his desire to start, but says he understands how the Cardinals could be looking to the present and future with Leinart.

5. The next week...with all the reason now in the world to start Leinart again, seeing as Leinart played well, (note: and if the coach really wanted to diffuse any possible QB controversy, he could easily do so now)...BUT...Whiz elects to start Warner and then have Leinart play second fiddle.

This is how and why pundits like ESPN's Chris Mortenson sit up and take notice.

Warner plays well...not great...but well...Leinart comes in and steadies himself after a shaky start...the Cards win their first pre-season game under Whiz...and the now talk of the burgeoning QB controversy is overshadowed by a disgruntled Anquan Boldin who has gone to the media to insist the Cardinals trade him.

6. Now it's on to the Oakland game and Leinart is back starting. The initial plan was to have him and all the starters play into the third quarter...only, Leinart plays about as poorly as a QB can play, tossing up three ill-advised interceptions.

Whiz looks understandably perturbed on the sidelines...and yanks Leinart after the third interception...Warner comes in moves the team briefly on the first drive but the drive fizzles, the Cards lead 3-0 at halftime, and after Warner's first two drives of trhe second half--which featured an inspired running attack--the score is 17-0 Cardinals.

7. After the game, Whiz is attributing a couple of Leinart's interceptions to receivers being in the wrong place...which smacks more like a pitch to sell 50 acres of swampland in the Everglades.

8. After the game, Leinart has bolted from the lockeroom and does not stick around for interviews.

9. That very evening, there's a report coming out of ESPN from Chris Mortenson that the Cardinals are "expected to name Kurt Warner the starting QB." Supposedly this is from an inside source.

10. Two days later...Whiz states that "no decision has been made on the QB situation." Is he being disingenuous? Is he smarting from the ESPN report and feeling like "Chris Mortenson" made the decision?

While Whiz is likely trying to further protect Leinart's feelings...and not do anything more to pour salt in his wounds...the uncertainty continues...Whiz previously hinted that it may be a good thing to keep the decision unknown right up until game time: "to keep the 49ers guessing."

Maybe, too, even though it might sting Leinart a little----which may be good for him in the long run---maybe Whiz should be as critical to the media of Leinart as he has of Deuce Lutui or Alan Branch. Whiz admits he was sending them "messages." One didn't hear him making excuses for them.

But..it seems as if Whiz is holding a double standard here...he protects Leinart and he throws jabs at others like Lutui and Branch. Of course, the whole naming the starter BEFORE training camp was another double standard, as Whiz's preaches competition everywhere else.

And if Whiz truly has made "no decision"...maybe that's the real problem right there. Why not perpetuate this controversy?
 
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Great, yet another thread. A new thread every hour about the same old topics makes the message board as crappy as RealGM or ESPN message boards.

Can we get an "I hate Whis" sub-forum already?
 

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Good post. I didnt like the 2 minute drill thing.. it clearly irked and rattled Leinart's confidence..

And I thought the most startling move was the decision to start Warner in preseason game #2.. that wasnt a smart move in my opinion.. im sure it confused Leinart, who right now, needs confidence and praise..

It's sad to see the state of our QB situation, following year one, when you had Edge telling everyone that this organization is in great hands with #7... and winning was around the corner if they put the keys in the hands of #7..
 

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Let me first say that I have a profound respect for the direction Whiz is taking the Cardinals. There's so much to feel optimistic about (what a wonderful reprieve for us much beleaguered Cardinals fans!)...the deepest roster in the modern era...creative utilizations of the personnel...and exemplary organization...so, it pains me to criticize him in this case...but, from this vantage point, it appears he deserves it.

Cases in Point:

1. Last year, for right or for wrong, Whiz decided to bring Leinart along slowly...so slowly in fact, Leinart was being replaced in the middle of the second quarters by Kurt Warner, as Warner was assigned the team's "two-minute" QB.

What was a little curious about this was the fact that at USC and with the Cardinals (as in the Bears game on National TV), Leinart was pretty darned good in the two minute drill.

Whiz said it was too much too soon for Leinart to learn...which is why he gave the role to Warner.

Now...seeing as Warner showed he was particularly effective at the role, Whiz made a good call tabbing Warner for that role. No fault there...but QWhiz was bucking tradition by regularly playing and alternating two QBs.

But...what was this doing to Leinart's psyche when the same script was being rolled out in the first five games???...the offense would struggle early (no first drive TDs and very few first quarter points) with Leinart under center...in comes Warner, he moves the offense in a manner that looked so strikingly easy in comparison to what Leinart was doing...

Then...how many times did we as fans beg for Whiz to start Warner in the second halfs, especially after he was the one moving the team? Raise your hand. I did every time.

The raise your hand if you were upset to see Leinart trot out to start the second half?

Imagine how hard that was for Leinart? It was hard enough for us, the fans.

Leinart had to know that his teammates most likely wanted Warner themselves. Warner, after all, was moving the team.

Then, in the Pittsburgh game, when Warner led the team to a lead, Whiz sends Leinart back in and Leinart leads the team down and scores an insurance TD...and the TEAM thing was on...and we all went WOW...how gutsy...way to lift Leinart's spirits back up.

The next game versus the Rams, Leinart starts and is struggling again and then suffers his season-endidng injury.

Warner comes in and leads the team to a 34-31 victory.

But, Warner gets hurt himself..misses the Carolina game, yet amazingly returns for the Washington game, donning a Michelin man cast on his left elbow...and almost pulls out the game in a 19-21 loss.

Warner starts the rest of the way, and under his leadership the Cardinals average over 30 points a game for the second half of the season.

Yes, it wasn't all pretty...Warner's fumbling propensity remained an issue and an Achilles' heel...and in one game Warner and offensive coach Todd Haley were screaming at each other on the sidelines after Warner made a bonehead throw trying to escape a pass rush.

But...the season ended on quite a high note...Warner looked at the top of his game...and the usually low scoring Cardinals scored 78 points in their last two games, both victories.

2. With the off-season, it would have seemed appropriate that Whiz treat the QB situation the same way he tends to treat the situations at the other positions: put the job up for competition.

With no pressing urgency to do so, Whiz announces to the media that Matt Leinart is the team's starter and mentions that his policy is that injured starters don't lose their jobs.

The insider question is in this case: was Whiz prompted by the front office to make this move?

Let's examine the alternatives: (A) What if Whiz named Warner the starter? Would Warner therefore have been entitled to a new contract that paid him starter's money? In a year where the team was trying to solve the Fitz, Pace, Dansby, Boldin contract dilemmas, could they afford to reopen discussions with Warner? Why not name Leinart the starter, which would diffuse the Warner contract situation, and then if Leinart fails and Warner wins the job later, the new contract is a mott point then. (B) What if Whiz called for an open competition? Would Warner have still wanted a reworked contract? Would this be the vote of confidence that some may have felt Matt Leinart needed? What shadow of doubt would this place on the Cardinals' using a #10 draft pick to select the Heisman Trophy winner?

3. Heading into camp the word is the starting QB's job is Leinart's and it's his "his job to lose." Leinart has worked hard and studied film diligently, we are told by Whiz...we are also told not to over-react to Leinart's off-field beer bong party debacle...

Regardless...all indications were that Leinart was to be the starter.

4. Leinart starts game one---a nationally televised game on ESPN---and plays well. Kurt Warner is not even played in the game...and is his usual class act on the sidelines during an in-game ESPN interview. Warner states his desire to start, but says he understands how the Cardinals could be looking to the present and future with Leinart.

5. The next week...with all the reason now in the world to start Leinart again, seeing as Leinart played well, and if the coach really wanted to diffuse any possible QB controversy, he could easily do so now...BUT...Whiz elects to start Warner and then have Leinart play second fiddle.

This is how and why pundits like ESPN's Chris Mortenson sit up and take notice.

Warner plays well...not great...but well...Leinart comes in and steadies himself after a shaky start...the Cards win their first pre-season game under Whiz...and the now burgeoning QB controversy is overshadowed by a disgruntled Anquan Boldin who has gone to the media to insist the Cardinals trade him.

6. Now it's on to the Oakland game and Leinart is back starting. The initial plan was to have him and all the starters play into the third quarter...only Leinart plays about as poorly as a QB can play, tossing up three ill-advised interceptions.

Whiz looks understandably perturbed on the sidelines...and yanks Leinart after the third interception...Warner comes in moves the team briefly on the first drive the drive fizzles, the Cards lead 3-0 at halftime and after Warner's first two drives of trhe second half--which featured an inspired running attack--the score is 17-0 Cardinals.

7. After the game, Whiz is attributing a couple of Leinart's interceptions to receivers being in the wrong place...which smacks more like a pitch to sell 50 acres of swampland in the Everglades.

8. After the game, Leinart has bolted from the lockeroom and does not stick around for interviews.

9. That very evening, there's a report coming out of ESPN from Chris Mortenson that the Cardinals are "expected to name Kurt Warner the starting QB." Supposedly this is from an inside source.

10. Two days later...Whiz states that "no decision has been made on the QB situation." Is he being disingenuous? Is he smarting from the ESPN report and feeling like "Chris Mortenson" made the decision?

While Whiz is likely trying to further protect Leinart's feelings...and not do anything more to pour salt in his wounds...the uncertainty continues...Whiz previously hinted that it may be a good thing to keep the decision unknown right up until game time: "to keep the 49ers guessing."

Maybe, too, even though it might sting Leinart a little----which may be good for him in the long run---maybe Whiz should be as critical to the media of Leinart as he has of Deuce Lutui or Alan Branch. Maybe the truth syrum will toughen Leinart up.

But..it seems as if Whiz is holding a double standard here...he protects Leinart and he throws jabs at others. Of course, the whole naming the starter BEFORE training camp was another double standard, as Whiz's preaches competition everywhere else.

And if Whiz truly has made "no decision"...maybe that's the real problem right there. Why not perpetuate this controversy?
Can we all stop playing coach or GM for a day please. Damnit what controversy? Why give the 9ers two weeks in advance to practice and prepare for the Cards starting QB? So a few fans on the AFSN can know who will be starting? I may get a time out for this I hope not but some people REALLY need to pull their heads out of their stink tunnel and relax and trust the powers that be will decide what's best for this team. I know it's a hard concept but trust it. It's not black and white/ cut and dry guys. There is a lot going on behind the scenes just let it play out already......
 
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And I thought the most startling move was the decision to start Warner in preseason game #2.. that wasnt a smart move in my opinion.. im sure it confused Leinart, who right now, needs confidence and praise..

Confidence and praise? This isnt Pop Warner. The best NFL players would have the guts to step up and take the job when threatened. From the first time I saw Todd Haley jump on Matt's ass at camp, I felt he'd lose the job.

Matt had his chance to step up and take the wheel, but he hasnt and may lose the starting job because of it.
 

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Let me first say that I have a profound respect for the direction Whiz is taking the Cardinals. There's so much to feel optimistic about (what a wonderful reprieve for us much beleaguered Cardinals fans!)...the deepest roster in the modern era...creative utilizations of the personnel...and exemplary organization...so, it pains me to criticize him in this case...but, from this vantage point, it appears he deserves it.

Cases in Point:

1. Last year, for right or for wrong, Whiz decided to bring Leinart along slowly...so slowly in fact, Leinart was being replaced in the middle of the second quarters by Kurt Warner, as Warner was assigned the team's "two-minute" QB.

What was a little curious about this was the fact that at USC and with the Cardinals (as in the Bears game on National TV), Leinart was pretty darned good in the two minute drill.

Whiz said it was too much too soon for Leinart to learn...which is why he gave the role to Warner.

Now...seeing as Warner showed he was particularly effective at the role, Whiz made a good call tabbing Warner for that role. No fault there...but QWhiz was bucking tradition by regularly playing and alternating two QBs.

But...what was this doing to Leinart's psyche when the same script was being rolled out in the first five games???...the offense would struggle early (no first drive TDs and very few first quarter points) with Leinart under center...in comes Warner, he moves the offense in a manner that looked so strikingly easy in comparison to what Leinart was doing...

Then...how many times did we as fans beg for Whiz to start Warner in the second halfs, especially after he was the one moving the team? Raise your hand. I did every time.

The raise your hand if you were upset to see Leinart trot out to start the second half?

Imagine how hard that was for Leinart? It was hard enough for us, the fans.

Leinart had to know that his teammates most likely wanted Warner themselves. Warner, after all, was moving the team.

Then, in the Pittsburgh game, when Warner led the team to a lead, Whiz sends Leinart back in and Leinart leads the team down and scores an insurance TD...and the TEAM thing was on...and we all went WOW...how gutsy...way to lift Leinart's spirits back up.

The next game versus the Rams, Leinart starts and is struggling again and then suffers his season-endidng injury.

Warner comes in and leads the team to a 34-31 victory.

But, Warner gets hurt himself..misses the Carolina game, yet amazingly returns for the Washington game, donning a Michelin man cast on his left elbow...and almost pulls out the game in a 19-21 loss.

Warner starts the rest of the way, and under his leadership the Cardinals average over 30 points a game for the second half of the season.

Yes, it wasn't all pretty...Warner's fumbling propensity remained an issue and an Achilles' heel...and in one game Warner and offensive coach Todd Haley were screaming at each other on the sidelines after Warner made a bonehead throw trying to escape a pass rush.

But...the season ended on quite a high note...Warner looked at the top of his game...and the usually low scoring Cardinals scored 78 points in their last two games, both victories.

2. With the off-season, it would have seemed appropriate that Whiz treat the QB situation the same way he tends to treat the situations at the other positions: put the job up for competition.

With no pressing urgency to do so, Whiz announces to the media that Matt Leinart is the team's starter and mentions that his policy is that injured starters don't lose their jobs.

The insider question is in this case: was Whiz prompted by the front office to make this move?

Let's examine the alternatives: (A) What if Whiz named Warner the starter? Would Warner therefore have been entitled to a new contract that paid him starter's money? In a year where the team was trying to solve the Fitz, Pace, Dansby, Boldin contract dilemmas, could they afford to reopen discussions with Warner? Why not name Leinart the starter, which would diffuse the Warner contract situation, and then if Leinart fails and Warner wins the job later, the new contract is a mott point then. (B) What if Whiz called for an open competition? Would Warner have still wanted a reworked contract? Would this be the vote of confidence that some may have felt Matt Leinart needed? What shadow of doubt would this place on the Cardinals' using a #10 draft pick to select the Heisman Trophy winner?

3. Heading into camp the word is the starting QB's job is Leinart's and it's his "his job to lose." Leinart has worked hard and studied film diligently, we are told by Whiz...we are also told not to over-react to Leinart's off-field beer bong party debacle...

Regardless...all indications were that Leinart was to be the starter.

4. Leinart starts game one---a nationally televised game on ESPN---and plays well. Kurt Warner is not even played in the game...and is his usual class act on the sidelines during an in-game ESPN interview. Warner states his desire to start, but says he understands how the Cardinals could be looking to the present and future with Leinart.

5. The next week...with all the reason now in the world to start Leinart again, seeing as Leinart played well, and if the coach really wanted to diffuse any possible QB controversy, he could easily do so now...BUT...Whiz elects to start Warner and then have Leinart play second fiddle.

This is how and why pundits like ESPN's Chris Mortenson sit up and take notice.

Warner plays well...not great...but well...Leinart comes in and steadies himself after a shaky start...the Cards win their first pre-season game under Whiz...and the now burgeoning QB controversy is overshadowed by a disgruntled Anquan Boldin who has gone to the media to insist the Cardinals trade him.

6. Now it's on to the Oakland game and Leinart is back starting. The initial plan was to have him and all the starters play into the third quarter...only Leinart plays about as poorly as a QB can play, tossing up three ill-advised interceptions.

Whiz looks understandably perturbed on the sidelines...and yanks Leinart after the third interception...Warner comes in moves the team briefly on the first drive the drive fizzles, the Cards lead 3-0 at halftime and after Warner's first two drives of trhe second half--which featured an inspired running attack--the score is 17-0 Cardinals.

7. After the game, Whiz is attributing a couple of Leinart's interceptions to receivers being in the wrong place...which smacks more like a pitch to sell 50 acres of swampland in the Everglades.

8. After the game, Leinart has bolted from the lockeroom and does not stick around for interviews.

9. That very evening, there's a report coming out of ESPN from Chris Mortenson that the Cardinals are "expected to name Kurt Warner the starting QB." Supposedly this is from an inside source.

10. Two days later...Whiz states that "no decision has been made on the QB situation." Is he being disingenuous? Is he smarting from the ESPN report and feeling like "Chris Mortenson" made the decision?

While Whiz is likely trying to further protect Leinart's feelings...and not do anything more to pour salt in his wounds...the uncertainty continues...Whiz previously hinted that it may be a good thing to keep the decision unknown right up until game time: "to keep the 49ers guessing."

Maybe, too, even though it might sting Leinart a little----which may be good for him in the long run---maybe Whiz should be as critical to the media of Leinart as he has of Deuce Lutui or Alan Branch. Maybe the truth syrum will toughen Leinart up.

But..it seems as if Whiz is holding a double standard here...he protects Leinart and he throws jabs at others. Of course, the whole naming the starter BEFORE training camp was another double standard, as Whiz's preaches competition everywhere else.

And if Whiz truly has made "no decision"...maybe that's the real problem right there. Why not perpetuate this controversy?

In order to save everybody a lot of time and effort, I hereby offer the Reader's Digest version below:

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Leinart Sucks. Whiz might too.


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Please everyone, you can now feel free to return to your regularly scheduled activities.

JTS
 

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Of course, the whole naming the starter BEFORE training camp was another double standard, as Whiz's preaches competition everywhere else.

How is naming the starter going into training camp a double standard? Is there not a QB competition going on right now? Didn't Warner get a chance to play with the #1s and show his worth?


You are making no sense! You complain that there is no competition and then complain that Warner gets a chance to start. Which is it?
 

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Mitch, what do you think about Brian St. Pierre playing during the preseason? I could see him moving up the charts based on his play. I know he hasn't gone up against the first string, but there seems to be no drop-off in quality when he is on the field. I like the guy.
 

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In order to save everybody a lot of time and effort, I hereby offer the Reader's Digest version below:

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Leinart Sucks. Whiz might too.


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Please everyone, you can now feel free to return to your regularly scheduled activities.

JTS

Well said. I agree wholeheartedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so getting tired of the whining & wimpering on this board. This is the best team we've had since the Coryell years & everyone is consumed with this so-called QB controversy. It's real easy. Maybe, just maybe, Matt Leinart isn't quite ready for the HOF yet. The equivalence of 1 stinking year on the field & we think he should great. Well, he isn't. Not yet anyways.

Furthermore, what the hell is up with criticizing Whisenhunt!!!! Do the names Bob Hollway, Bud Wilkinson, Hank Kuhlmann, Joe Bugel, Buddy Ryan, Dave McGinnis, Dennis Green, etc, etc bring back memories. I've been following this team since the early 60's & I think this is the most balanced team I can remember. Yes, this is a better all-around team than the teams in the 70's.

Can we just sit back & enjoy this team.
 
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Good post. I didnt like the 2 minute drill thing.. it clearly irked and rattled Leinart's confidence..

And I thought the most startling move was the decision to start Warner in preseason game #2.. that wasnt a smart move in my opinion.. im sure it confused Leinart, who right now, needs confidence and praise..

It's sad to see the state of our QB situation, following year one, when you had Edge telling everyone that this organization is in great hands with #7... and winning was around the corner if they put the keys in the hands of #7..

Wonder if Edge still feels the same way, Brewster...he might because it probably means more runs for him.
 
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Mitch, what do you think about Brian St. Pierre playing during the preseason? I could see him moving up the charts based on his play. I know he hasn't gone up against the first string, but there seems to be no drop-off in quality when he is on the field. I like the guy.

I was hoping all off-season that the Cards would sign St. Pierre. He's solid. We'd have to see him with the starters, but he certainly has the best mobility of all the QBs and he looks poised.
 

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Wonder if Edge still feels the same way, Brewster...he might because it probably means more runs for him.

Edge's best production came when he was playing with Peyton Manning so I doubt he equates poor QB play with better numbers for him. Edge spent 7 years playing with one of the best ever so if he's ok with Matt that's a good endorsement.
 
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Edge's best production came when he was playing with Peyton Manning so I doubt he equates poor QB play with better numbers for him. Edge spent 7 years playing with one of the best ever so if he's ok with Matt that's a good endorsement.

Well, Edge said this a while ago.
 

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Wonder if Edge still feels the same way, Brewster...he might because it probably means more runs for him.

So now Edge is in this grand conspiracy to bench Warner?

Alright everybody its time to get out your tin foil hats. We need to make sure that the evil coach Whisenhunt doesn't brainwash us also
 

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Mitch, one major problem with your view is we just don't know the REAL story behind the storey. We don't know what is going on in the coaches meetings. We don't know what Whiz and Warner may have privately talked about.

I do know one thing. We needed to give Leinart EVERY opportunity and every snap possible from the very first ota till now to see just how much Leinart has progressed. We KNOW what Warner brings. We KNOW if Whiz ultimately decides to go with Warenr that he will be ready to go.

Whiz hasn't done a damn thing wrong yet. However, when he doesn't do what we feel he should do, many suggest that he has screwed up.
 

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Let me first say that I have a profound respect for the direction Whiz is taking the Cardinals. There's so much to feel optimistic about (what a wonderful reprieve for us much beleaguered Cardinals fans!)...the deepest roster in the modern era...creative utilizations of the personnel...and exemplary organization...so, it pains me to criticize him in this case...but, from this vantage point, it appears he deserves it.

Cases in Point:

1. Last year, for right or for wrong, Whiz decided to bring Leinart along slowly...so slowly in fact, Leinart was being replaced in the middle of the second quarters by Kurt Warner, as Warner was assigned the team's "two-minute" QB.

What was a little curious about this was the fact that at USC and with the Cardinals (as in the Bears game on National TV), Leinart was pretty darned good in the two minute drill.

Whiz said it was too much too soon for Leinart to learn...which is why he gave the role to Warner.

Now...seeing as Warner showed he was particularly effective at the role, Whiz made a good call tabbing Warner for that role. No fault there...but Whiz was bucking NFL tradition by regularly playing and alternating two QBs. Colleges do this, not NFL teams.

But...what was this doing to Leinart's psyche when the same script was being rolled out in the first five games???...the offense would struggle early (no first drive TDs and very few first quarter points) with Leinart under center...in comes Warner, he moves the offense in a manner that looked so strikingly easy in comparison to what Leinart was doing...

Then...how many times did we as fans beg for Whiz to start Warner in the second halfs, especially after he was the one moving the team? Raise your hand. I did every time.

The raise your hand if you were upset to see Leinart trot out to start the second half?

Imagine how hard that was for Leinart? It was hard enough for us, the fans.

Leinart had to know that his teammates most likely wanted Warner themselves. Warner, after all, was moving the team.

Then, in the Pittsburgh game, when Warner led the team to a lead, Whiz sends Leinart back in and Leinart leads the team down and scores an insurance TD...and the TEAM thing was on...and we all went WOW...how gutsy...way to lift Leinart's spirits back up.

The next game versus the Rams, Leinart starts and is struggling again and then suffers his season-endidng injury.

Warner comes in and leads the team to a 34-31 victory.

But, Warner gets hurt himself..misses the Carolina game, yet amazingly returns for the Washington game, donning a Michelin man cast on his left elbow...and almost pulls out the game in a 19-21 loss.

Warner starts the rest of the way, and under his leadership the Cardinals average over 30 points a game for the second half of the season.

Yes, it wasn't all pretty...Warner's fumbling propensity remained an issue and an Achilles' heel...and in one game Warner and offensive coach Todd Haley were screaming at each other on the sidelines after Warner made a bonehead throw trying to escape a pass rush.

But...the season ended on quite a high note...Warner looked at the top of his game...and the usually low scoring Cardinals scored 78 points in their last two games, both victories.

2. With the off-season, it would have seemed appropriate that Whiz treat the QB situation the same way he tends to treat the situations at the other positions: put the job up for competition.

With no pressing urgency to do so, Whiz announces to the media that Matt Leinart is the team's starter and mentions that his policy is that injured starters don't lose their jobs.

The insider question is in this case: was Whiz prompted by the front office to make this move?

Let's examine the alternatives: (A) What if Whiz named Warner the starter? Would Warner therefore have been entitled to a new contract that paid him starter's money? In a year where the team was trying to solve the Fitz, Pace, Dansby, Boldin contract dilemmas, could they afford to reopen discussions with Warner? Why not name Leinart the starter, which would diffuse the Warner contract situation, and then if Leinart fails and Warner wins the job later, the new contract is a moot point then. (B) What if Whiz called for an open competition? Would Warner have still wanted a reworked contract? Would this be the vote of confidence that some may have felt Matt Leinart needed? What shadow of doubt would this place on the Cardinals' using a #10 draft pick to select the Heisman Trophy winner?

3. Heading into camp the word is the starting QB's job is Leinart's and it's his "his job to lose." Leinart has worked hard and studied film diligently, we are told by Whiz...we are also told not to over-react to Leinart's off-field beer bong party debacle...

Regardless...all indications were that Leinart was to be the starter.

4. Leinart starts game one---a nationally televised game on ESPN---and plays well. Kurt Warner is not even played in the game...and is his usual class act on the sidelines during an in-game ESPN interview. Warner states his desire to start, but says he understands how the Cardinals could be looking to the present and future with Leinart.

5. The next week...with all the reason now in the world to start Leinart again, seeing as Leinart played well, (note: and if the coach really wanted to diffuse any possible QB controversy, he could easily do so now)...BUT...Whiz elects to start Warner and then have Leinart play second fiddle.

This is how and why pundits like ESPN's Chris Mortenson sit up and take notice.

Warner plays well...not great...but well...Leinart comes in and steadies himself after a shaky start...the Cards win their first pre-season game under Whiz...and the now talk of the burgeoning QB controversy is overshadowed by a disgruntled Anquan Boldin who has gone to the media to insist the Cardinals trade him.

6. Now it's on to the Oakland game and Leinart is back starting. The initial plan was to have him and all the starters play into the third quarter...only, Leinart plays about as poorly as a QB can play, tossing up three ill-advised interceptions.

Whiz looks understandably perturbed on the sidelines...and yanks Leinart after the third interception...Warner comes in moves the team briefly on the first drive but the drive fizzles, the Cards lead 3-0 at halftime, and after Warner's first two drives of trhe second half--which featured an inspired running attack--the score is 17-0 Cardinals.

7. After the game, Whiz is attributing a couple of Leinart's interceptions to receivers being in the wrong place...which smacks more like a pitch to sell 50 acres of swampland in the Everglades.

8. After the game, Leinart has bolted from the lockeroom and does not stick around for interviews.

9. That very evening, there's a report coming out of ESPN from Chris Mortenson that the Cardinals are "expected to name Kurt Warner the starting QB." Supposedly this is from an inside source.

10. Two days later...Whiz states that "no decision has been made on the QB situation." Is he being disingenuous? Is he smarting from the ESPN report and feeling like "Chris Mortenson" made the decision?

While Whiz is likely trying to further protect Leinart's feelings...and not do anything more to pour salt in his wounds...the uncertainty continues...Whiz previously hinted that it may be a good thing to keep the decision unknown right up until game time: "to keep the 49ers guessing."

Maybe, too, even though it might sting Leinart a little----which may be good for him in the long run---maybe Whiz should be as critical to the media of Leinart as he has of Deuce Lutui or Alan Branch. Whiz admits he was sending them "messages." One didn't hear him making excuses for them.

But..it seems as if Whiz is holding a double standard here...he protects Leinart and he throws jabs at others like Lutui and Branch. Of course, the whole naming the starter BEFORE training camp was another double standard, as Whiz's preaches competition everywhere else.

And if Whiz truly has made "no decision"...maybe that's the real problem right there. Why not perpetuate this controversy?

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Mitch, one major problem with your view is we just don't know the REAL story behind the storey. We don't know what is going on in the coaches meetings. We don't know what Whiz and Warner may have privately talked about.

I do know one thing. We needed to give Leinart EVERY opportunity and every snap possible from the very first ota till now to see just how much Leinart has progressed. We KNOW what Warner brings. We KNOW if Whiz ultimately decides to go with Warenr that he will be ready to go.

Whiz hasn't done a damn thing wrong yet. However, when he doesn't do what we feel he should do, many suggest that he has screwed up.

I am sorry, Slan, but I just don't agree with you.

The first mistake was naming Leinart the starter BEFORE he earned it. What QB played better last year?

Whiz gives us the crock line that starters who get hurt deserve to still be starters.

At the very least...this should have been billed an an open competition.

That would have been fair to both parties.

And I really have a problem with a coach who sends "messages" via the media to other players vying for a starting job (see Lutui and Branch)...and then makes excuses for others. That's a mistake.

Matt Leinart is being given special treatment and, IMO, this is going to have negative backlash on the football team.

It isn't just this year...Warner was clearly better QB last year...he'd come into games and suddenyl the stagnant offense under Leinart was moving...and then come second half Leinart is right back in there.

As a fan I have a hard time believing Whisenhunt's own mantra that "the best players play."

And I am sick and tired of Cardinal coaches who equivocate.
 

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Man Mitch, come off the ledge. If you are so confident Leinart is not the guy, then by all means, watch him fail against the Broncos on Friday and have Warner come in and save him. I hope and think Leinart will rebound and have a decent game. If not, then maybe Whiz makes the change
 

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Mitch, while i think you are off your rocker most of the time., you are dead on this time around.
 

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Whiz gives us the crock line that starters who get hurt deserve to still be starters.

The revisionsit history going on around here is getting crazy. That is only 10% of what he said when asked about why he did what he did. He also mentioned that Matt was working his tail off in rehab, the sidelines, practices, film sessions, classroom work, and was even asked to work hand in hand with the Offensive Quality Control coach whos job it is is to go over all the tape of your own team and the opposing team to make a video package for the coaches and players. Matt even made special tapes just for Warner to go over for the up coming gameplans according to Urban. Wiz said that Matt did every thing and more that the coaches asked of him when he got injured.

Wiz probably should have went with the open competition line from the get go but, If you are going to quote the guy quote his whole message not misleading bits and pieces.

And I really have a problem with a coach who sends "messages" via the media to other players vying for a starting job (see Lutui and Branch)...and then makes excuses for others. That's a mistake.

Matt Leinart is being given special treatment and, IMO, this is going to have negative backlash on the football team.

Apples and Oranges. About as opposite of situations as you can possibly get and you should know that Mitch. Lutui and Branch havent been working their tails off and both showed up overweight. By all accounts Matt has been working his tail off. If you cant see the differences in messages that he needs to be sent I dont know what to tell you. Matt was called out for his pictures, Matt was called out for not working like he should last offseason and Wiz was not afraid to say so. It is no wonder that Wiz stopped publically sending messages to Matt once he started to listen and do everything the coaches asked of him.

Different situations without a doubt call for different messages. Players who work get messages behind closed doors, players who dont work get messages sent everywhere.

It is a double standard becuase each player is doing different things, and going about their business differently.
 
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6. Now it's on to the Oakland game and Leinart is back starting. The initial plan was to have him and all the starters play into the third quarter...only, Leinart plays about as poorly as a QB can play, tossing up three ill-advised interceptions.

Whiz looks understandably perturbed on the sidelines...and yanks Leinart after the third interception...Warner comes in moves the team briefly on the first drive but the drive fizzles, the Cards lead 3-0 at halftime, and after Warner's first two drives of trhe second half--which featured an inspired running attack--the score is 17-0 Cardinals.

I don't think this is completely accurate. Everything I read and heard was that Leinart would start and play into the 2nd qtr...then Warner would play the rest of the 1st half and 3rd qtr with the rest of the offensive starters...except James. This was even mentioned by the Oakland announcers as the Cards game plan.
 

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Well said. I agree wholeheartedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so getting tired of the whining & wimpering on this board. This is the best team we've had since the Coryell years & everyone is consumed with this so-called QB controversy. It's real easy. Maybe, just maybe, Matt Leinart isn't quite ready for the HOF yet. The equivalence of 1 stinking year on the field & we think he should great. Well, he isn't. Not yet anyways.

I agree. Since March at least one, and in most cases several, of the posters on ASFN have wanted to get rid of:

Fitzgerald, Boldin, Dockett, and/or Dansby.

Strangely enough this is the same board that used to put up pages of excuses for guys like small play Ray Thompson and Wrong Gap Ron McKinnon.

But I'm not worried. We've been down for a long time. We'll learn how to be up soon enough.
 
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