who was more responsible for our superbowl run, warner or coaching or ....

[freebyrd]

sorry about another poll but i just got to know this, and i don't think its ever been addressed,

with this season without warner almost ready to start and what some in the media are calling a QB controversy in arizona (nothing funner than that for the media to kick around)

although it seems that from the boards view ML should clearly be the starter, I think if you believe that than you should probably believe that warner was most responsible for our superbowl run

if the coaching staff somehow choose's DA over ML than in whiz we trust must take coaching genius to a new level move over bill walsh....

or perhaps you think it was a combination of both (you copout)

i'll put in a choice for you
i think this wishy washy back and forth crap from whiz over his quarterback situation this year has hurt matts standing with the rest of the coaching staff and with some of the players , nothing i can think of but pride on whiz by this I don't know, if you really think matt is that incapable of running an nfl offense then pull the trigger and cut him. pete carrol will move heaven and earth to pick him up and he'll pick us apart twice a year

but I don't think matt has been treated fairly at all so i think you know how i'll be voting

 

[Duckjake]

I have to vote for the coaches based on the fact that most of the key guys in the SB run were on the team that Denny Green coached to 5-11 twice.

Of course it didn't hurt that the Cardinals finally moved to the top part of the league in number of players who had been with the same team the longest instead of being the youngest team in the NFL.

 

[freebyrd]

I have to vote for the coaches based on the fact that most of the key guys in the SB run were on the team that Denny Green coached to 5-11 twice.

Of course it didn't hurt that the Cardinals finally moved to the top part of the league in number of players who had been with the same team the longest instead of being the youngest team in the NFL.

true and i think either answer, warner or the staff have there arguments,
i just think warner was given more of a free leash to run the offense that the coaches implemented due to his ability to read defense's and make smart choice's,
although he did have his tendencies that must have driven the staff crazy,like any contact at all by a rush and we all held our collective breath to see if he would fumble the ball away,
but the guy was a mans man for sure just look back at him playing with that clumsy brace on his non throwing arm and having to practice handing the ball off backwards, but he managed to make the best of it and still succeed

if they put in the work and dedication i think players make coache's look good more often than staff game planning makes players look good

just my opinion either side i think has a valid argument

 

[jw7]

I don't want to take anything away from the coaches or players in 2008, or Fitz' record-breaking receiving run. Or the fact they won one on the east coast when given no chance.

But IMO, the biggest contributor to the Cards SB run was the Philadelphia Eagles. They took out a one seed and a three seed and gave the Cards home playoff games instead of playing out east.

 

[vince56]

jake Delhomme's meltdown didn't hurt either.

 

[dogpoo32]

We lost some bad games that year. I think Warner catching fire had more to do with the success than Whis.

 

[Shane]

Coaching staff hands down!

 

[BW52]

We lost some bad games that year. I think Warner catching fire had more to do with the success than Whis.

And Warner playing like Sh*t was the reason for some of those losses.Including the Stupid interception in the Super Bowl.I liked Kurt Warner also.................however when he just
fired away and ignored the consequences he just killed the Cards.
I know its part of the gunslinger mentality ...............the fact remains interceptions killed the Cards early and often.

 

[devilalum]

It was the Salmon Mousse.

 

[dogpoo32]

And Warner playing like Sh*t was the reason for some of those losses.Including the Stupid interception in the Super Bowl.I liked Kurt Warner also.................however when he just
fired away and ignored the consequences he just killed the Cards.
I know its part of the gunslinger mentality ...............the fact remains interceptions killed the Cards early and often.

I know he sucked out loud at times. The question was about the Superbowl run, and he didn't have a bad game in the playoffs. What I am saying is that Warner caught fire at the right time, making it possible for the team to win some of those games. If Warner was mediocre, there's no way they make it to the Superbowl. Fitz deserves a huge nod too.

 

[clif]

unfortunately without knowing how much of the playcalling was warner or whis, its hard to say. As jw7 said, i think the eagles did a lot of the heavy lifting for us and i know that is not a popular statement. Also as much as i am not all that crazy about whis these days...i don't want to take credit away from him. i do however hold him accountable for letting the team nosedive at the end of the regular season. i also think this year will be a true testament to his coaching mettle.

 

[az jam]

Coaches, with Whis being one of the best & brightest in the NFL.

 

[Cardiac]

Warner pre CKW was not good. He needed to get his body in shape, he needed to focus more on not turning the ball over, he needed to become aware of how he held the ball when dropping back to pass and he needed a coaching staff that knew how to play to his obvious strengths.

I don't think we get to the playoffs and obviously the SB without Kurt.

I KNOW we don't get there without CKW.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

13 to 11 and Whiz being smart enough to know a good thing when he saw it.

 

[Buckybird]

I going to take the easy way out & say a combination of both. Most teams in this league don't win on a consistant basis without talent at QB & vice versa.

Perfect expamples:

The Pats at the beginning of this decade. The Pats had it all with a great QB, solid WR's, very good Oline, a great HC & a stifling defense. Now look at why they cant win titles...lack of defense & questionable blocking though Brady & Bellicheat still remain.

The Colts-Take away Manning & you have a 8-8 football team. The have some great talent on the defense, very good receivers & a HC that may be average, good or great. Who knows because of the QB play. Been good for a long time!!!

Bottom line, teams don't win for long without both!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't want to take anything away from the coaches or players in 2008, or Fitz' record-breaking receiving run. Or the fact they won one on the east coast when given no chance.

But IMO, the biggest contributor to the Cards SB run was the Philadelphia Eagles. They took out a one seed and a three seed and gave the Cards home playoff games instead of playing out east.

I think it was a combo and the Eagles and, flat out... Fitz. I'm not sure you guys remember just how ridiculously dominant he was. Warner played well, but Fitz made him look GREAT, catching jump balls in between double, triple coverage and showing breakaway speed that we had never seen up to that point and to be honest, have never seen since. The guy was inhuman and seemingly put the entire offense on his back for four games. I've never seen a WR dominate the playoffs like that in my life.

 

[doctor]

We are about to find out just how good this staff is!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The whole team was responsible...

 

[Buckybird]

I've never seen a WR dominate the playoffs like that in my life.

And maybe never will again. He shattered Rice's records in that run.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

ALL THE ABOVE!

A Super Bowl MVP QB in KW helps, having a great coaching staff helps, having the best WR in the NFL (Fitz) helps, and not having to travel to the icy(probably) Meadowlands to play the New York Giants helped. For that to happen the Eagles had to defeat the Vikings and then the Giants.

 

[jw7]

I think it was a combo and the Eagles and, flat out... Fitz. I'm not sure you guys remember just how ridiculously dominant he was. Warner played well, but Fitz made him look GREAT, catching jump balls in between double, triple coverage and showing breakaway speed that we had never seen up to that point and to be honest, have never seen since. The guy was inhuman and seemingly put the entire offense on his back for four games. I've never seen a WR dominate the playoffs like that in my life.

Yes, if you break Jerry Rice's playoff record, I would call that dominant.

Anyone have a youtube of Dave Pasch's call, think it was during the playoffs, but it was something like "Pass to Fitz - he is double covered - IT DOES NOT MATTER!"

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes, if you break Jerry Rice's playoff record, I would call that dominant.

Anyone have a youtube of Dave Pasch's call, think it was during the playoffs, but it was something like "Pass to Fitz - he is double covered - IT DOES NOT MATTER!"

I LOVE that call by Pasch and it pretty much sums up the rest of the playoffs... third play of the wild-card game against Atlanta, a Flea-Flicker, that fooled no one, two guys are draped on Fitz and he just rises above both of them for the 50 yard TD.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Kurt Warner's play action and flee flickers never fooled anyone, but for some reason that's when he made his best passes. Either the WR, in this case Fitz is going to make an amazing grab or the pass falls incomplete.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ALL THE ABOVE!

A Super Bowl MVP QB in KW helps, having a great coaching staff helps, having the best WR in the NFL (Fitz) helps, and not having to travel to the icy(probably) Meadowlands to play the New York Giants helped. For that to happen the Eagles had to defeat the Vikings and then the Giants.

it really was the perfect storm for us.

Damn you Warner for retiring! This team would have been a legit Super Bowl contender this year with him at the helm again, especially seeing the problems the Vikings are having and with Toler and a pass-rush and another year of Beanie grooming with more offensive weapons.

Crap. Crap.

 

[THESMEL]

Without the Edge we don't get close to the Super Bowl. Compare the games Edge started and the games He didn't start anytime you want. Kurt had some of the worse games i ever witnessed in 2008. but He also had some of the best.

Edge was the engine that made the offense go, and has not received the credit he deserves. So EDge is my 2008 playoff MVP. even if he wasn't the best player with the best production.

without Edge we don't lock up the NFCW in half a season, don't set up the play action that won every playoff game.