Who would you rather have?

[fordronken]

Since things are changing anyway...

 

[SweetD]

I would stay with Marion if we are going to keep the team together if not I would go for Allen since he has one year left on his contract.

 

[fordronken]

Basically, it's a question of rebounding and moderate defense, versus flash and fun, or great shooting.

All three have their merits.

- Nash, Carter, Johson, Amare, would be really fun to watch(injuries scare the hell out of me, though).

– Allen would really stretch the defense with Nash and give Amare lots of space to work.

- Marion will be a great part of the fast break and won't have much offensive pressure on him. He may flourish with a good system and Nash at the point. Also, any extra rebounds we can get would help.

 

[slinslin]

Shawn Marion is much younger than Ray Allen and much healthier than Allen and Carter.

He is also a better role player and better defender than both of those guys and fits in better with Nash transition' style.

Shawn Marion isn't going to be traded I think.

 

[SirStefan32]

Ray Allen, easily...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ray Allen, easily...

I agree.

 

[SweetD]

Ray Allen, easily...

why???

 

[SirStefan32]

Because he is a leader, not just a role player like Marion. He is a good shooter, and unlike Marion, he is not afraid to drive to the hoop every once in a while. He is more experienced, and he is much smarter on the court than Shawn...

 

[slinslin]

Because he is a leader, not just a role player like Marion. He is a good shooter, and unlike Marion, he is not afraid to drive to the hoop every once in a while. He is more experienced, and he is much smarter on the court than Shawn...

And his teams have never gone anywhere really. He is soft. He is a little undersized at SG. He is an average defender at best. He is approaching 30. He is injury prone at least lately and seems to have chronic foot problems.
Seattle is already looking to ship him again isn't that weird?

And Ray Allen is most definately no more of a leader than Shawn Marion.

Shawn Marion is a much better fit for this team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And his teams have never gone anywhere really. He is soft. He is a little undersized at SG. He is an average defender at best. He is approaching 30. He is injury prone at least lately and seems to have chronic foot problems.
Seattle is already looking to ship him again isn't that weird?

And Ray Allen is most definately no more of a leader than Shawn Marion.

Shawn Marion is a much better fit for this team.

didn't one of his teams go to the Eastern Conference Finals - with him putting up some crazy games in the playoffs? I mean that was pretty much all Cassel and Allen - the Big Dog was just that in those playoffs - a big dog.

And approaching 30 - he just turned 29 ten days ago - he's got a good 4 years left in him - which is just abotu the time that Marion's contract runs out anyway - and by the time Shawn's 31 - he's gonna be worthless - just another player and one that we likely won't re-sign.

As far as undersized - he's 6-5 - that's about average height for a shooting guard - as opposed to Marion who IS undersized in today's NBA standing at 6'7 at Small forward.

 

[Gaddabout]

Shawn Marion grabs about 10 boards a game as a SMALL FORWARD. The other two are SHOOTING GUARDS. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the 10 boards at the 3 (unusually high for that position) than 20+ points from the two. Marion also CAN get you 20 points when you need it, but you'd like for him to limit his shots so he shoots a higher percentage.

How about the Suns keep Marion and hope JJ solidifies his game at the 2 for an entire season?

 

[SirStefan32]

And where has Marion's team gone???

Allen soft? In comparison to Marion, he is the toughest SOB in the league. Marion is the very definition of "a soft basketball player"...

Stefan

 

[Cheesebeef]

Shawn Marion grabs about 10 boards a game as a SMALL FORWARD. The other two are SHOOTING GUARDS. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the 10 boards at the 3 (unusually high for that position) than 20+ points from the two. Marion also CAN get you 20 points when you need it, but you'd like for him to limit his shots so he shoots a higher percentage.

How about the Suns keep Marion and hope JJ solidifies his game at the 2 for an entire season?

I'd rather see Ray Allen in here and move JJ to the small forward slot - Shawn just ain't a guy I ever see being a part of title contedner - he is the very defintion of soft.

 

[SirStefan32]

As far as undersized - he's 6-5 - that's about average height for a shooting guard - as opposed to Marion who IS undersized in today's NBA standing at 6'7 at Small forward.

Excellent point!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Stefan - for once as opposed to the politics boards - I think we share the same brain on this issue - we wrote almost identical posts.

 

[Gaddabout]

And where has Marion's team gone???

Allen soft? In comparison to Marion, he is the toughest SOB in the league. Marion is the very definition of "a soft basketball player"...

Stefan

AHEM. Marion has actually been spotted playing defense, although he's usually giving up 2 or more inches to whomever he's guarding. In the case of a Kobe Bryant or someother difficult matchup at the 2, I can see Marion and JJ switching defensive assignments and it being a plus for the Suns.

As also previously mentioned, Marion has also been spotted grabbing rebounds, including a few key ones on the offensive side.

Explain to me why you think he's soft.

 

[SirStefan32]

Have you seen him play lately??????

Junior High girls are not as afraid of driving to the hoop as Shawn Marion is. Sure, he get those 10 rebounds because he can jump like a maniac, but I don't remember him actually blocking out/ fighting for the position, etc...

He sits at the three point line and jacks up threes as if though he were Peja Stojakovic.

 

[SirStefan32]

Stefan - for once as opposed to the politics boards - I think we share the same brain on this issue - we wrote almost identical posts.

LOL, I know, it's kinda scary...

 

[slinslin]

6'5 is definately not the average size for a SG.

Joe Johnson 6'7-6'8
Tracy McGrady 6'8
Kobe Bryant 6'6-6'7
Paul Pierce 6'6-6'7
Mike Miller 6'8-6'9
Brent Barry 6'6
Jason Richardson 6'6
Allan Houston 6'6
Michael Finley 6'7
Michael Redd 6'6

Do I need to go on?

 

[SirStefan32]

Well, let's put it to you this way Slin-

Marion is more undersized on his position (SF) than Ray Allen is on his...

And yes, please go on, see how many other SG's are 6'6 or taller, and while you're at it, look at some SF's too.

 

[Phill11]

Maybe we go with a bigger lineup.

PG- JJ
SG- Marion
SF- ???
PF- Amare
C- ???

That would kick Nash out though. Maybe we do a sign and trade with him. Nash, JJ, and someone else for Shaq? Who knows what the Suns have "Up their sleeves" as they said.

 

[SirStefan32]

what I am trying to figure out is who, and why would anybody rather have Carter than Allen, or Marion for that matter. That guy is a has- been, if there ever was one.

 

[elindholm]

Before the Nash signing, I would have said Allen. But Nash can play the role of spot-up shooter (even though he's grossly overpaid ) and also has a pretty good mid-range game. So I think at this point, Marion's (intermittent) slashing ability and (still improving) defense make him the choice.

Carter is simply not an option at all.

 

[slinslin]

Mmm lets see Carter is 2 years younger. Locked up for longer. Puts more fans in the seats.

He played more games than Allen last season and their statistics are a wash although Carter had a below career average year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

wait - Slin - you'd want Carter more than Allen also? Carter is unbelievable damaged goods and a bitch to boot.

As far as what have Allen's team ever done - I think his 27 point average in a 7 game series in the Easrtern Conference finals - and his performance in the 1 v 8 seed the year before that when the Bucks came within 10 seconds of knocking off the number 1 Indiana Pacers is a hell of a lot more than Marion's teams have ever done and his playoff play dwarfs Marion's as well.