Why do Cards need a cornerback?

[NashDishesDimes]

Im not argueing a point i just really dont understand. I keep seeing people on here talking about how the Cards need a corner. I know Cromartie wasnt great last year but he was still good. Also, i thought Toler along with Rhodes were the only two bright spots on defense last year. I agree they could use a better nickel corner maybe. Ive even seen a few mock drafts that have the Cards taking a corner at #5 (i think McShay has the Cards taking Patrick Peterson). I could also make hte point that the reason the Cards corners were suckish was the lack of a pass rush (obviously) as well as Cromarties ankle.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Because Peterson is a stud. He is better than Toler, and to be honest, I think DRC is regressing as a player.

He is not Deion Sanders....not even close. His "coverage skills" don't make up for his inability to tackle.

DRC is going to be in the doghouse this up coming "season" I am sure of it. He needs a little perspective about how good he really is, not how good he thinks he is.

We passed on Adrian Peterson, and Terrell Suggs for bums and losers. Can we just pick the BPA this time ?

 

[PACardsFan]

Because Peterson is a stud. He is better than Toler, and to be honest, I think DRC is regressing as a player.

He is not Deion Sanders....not even close. His "coverage skills" don't make up for his inability to tackle.

DRC is going to be in the doghouse this up coming "season" I am sure of it. He needs a little perspective about how good he really is, not how good he thinks he is.

We passed on Adrian Peterson, and Terrell Suggs for bums and losers. Can we just pick the BPA this time ?

You're right about Peterson. Whereas, DRC is no Deion (That's OK, because there may never be a cover corner like Sanders again), I have heard comparisons between Sanders & Peterson. Peterson is probably the best player in this draft, so if he's there, we should take him.

 

[az jam]

I don't think Peterson will be there when we pick however if he is we should take him. Many draft analysts feel that he is the best player in the draft I'm looking forward to see his speed at the Combine.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't think Peterson will be there when we pick however if he is we should take him. Many draft analysts feel that he is the best player in the draft I'm looking forward to see his speed at the Combine.

Speed is overated, but I will be surprised if he runs anything higher than 4.5.

His style, size, and aggressiveness will fit well into our system.

Betwen DRC, Peterson, and Toler our CB core will be in great shape. Leaving Horton everything a NFL coach would need from the position.

IF Horton's defense is much like LaBeu, then Rhodes, and Wilson are the right safeties for the systems as well.

To go a little OT: we need to look at safeties in this draft as well.

 

[az jam]

Peterson was at the Senior Bowl talking to scouts and coaches. He wasn't invited as he is just a Junior. Here is what he said in an interview:


"I had a nice workout this morning," Peterson said. "I'm looking for that 4.2 at the combine. I ran a 4.31 before. I'm liking being here. This is a chance to talk with the different GMs and owners. It's a fun process.

"I love it. It's all hard work and preparing for that moment with my coaching staff and my dad all those guys getting me prepared for the huge moment."


If he runs in the 4.3 range he could be the first player drafted.

 

[PJ1]

We need a pass rush. LB's first on the shopping list.

 

[Duckjake]

We need a pass rush. LB's first on the shopping list.

Hopefully the Cards just hired a pass rush. Having Tolar at 6' 190 or Peterson at 6'1" 220 at the nickel instead of Adams is exactly what the Cards undersized defense needs.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We need a pass rush. LB's first on the shopping list.

Agreed.

But, last time the Cardinals thought like that we drafted Levi Brown instead of Adrian Peterson.

If Von Miller is better than Patrick Peterson then I have no problem with that pick.

Miller vs. Peterson is a good debate, IMO.

IMHO, the debate is between the need of a Von Miller to the overall "safe pick" that Peterson is.

 

[football karma]

At a minimum, it would be nice to have somebody in camp that could mount a credible challenge to Toler's starting spot -- with whomever that doesn't start coming on in the nickle.

Peterson is an excellent prospect -- although some question if a guy that big has the hips to stay with NFL receivers. No question he has the speed, and would also instantly upgrade the punt return.

 

[Jersey Girl]

We need a pass rush. LB's first on the shopping list.

But, if the best player on the board is a corner, then we need to take him. It's obvious as hell we need linebackers, but I really think we gotta take the best player on the board.

 

[earthsci]

But, if the best player on the board is a corner, then we need to take him. It's obvious as hell we need linebackers, but I really think we gotta take the best player on the board.

This. If a player looks to be the BPA, especially at a position that we could at the very least use an upgrade at, take him. Peterson at #5 should be a no brainer.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Can we just pick the BPA this time ?

That rarely happens for any team.

Teams nearly always take a player at a position of need, and there are multiple guys that will grade out nearly as high as Peterson at positions that we really need.

 

[earthsci]

That rarely happens for any team.

Teams nearly always take a player at a position of need, and there are multiple guys that will grade out nearly as high as Peterson at positions that we really need.

We need an upgrade at CB.

 

[Cardiac]

That rarely happens for any team.

Teams nearly always take a player at a position of need, and there are multiple guys that will grade out nearly as high as Peterson at positions that we really need.

Yep. It's rather obvious this is the Cards method of drafting. In fact I am starting to think they stack their board with too much emphasis on the Need piece and not BPA.

 

[Duckjake]

That rarely happens for any team.

Teams nearly always take a player at a position of need, and there are multiple guys that will grade out nearly as high as Peterson at positions that we really need.

You are correct. The top teams stay on top because they normally don't have any pressing needs and can draft for the future in the first.

Which brings me to this question: Do the Cardinals really have any immediate pressing needs that are greater than the secondary other than QB?

Scofield replaces Porter so taking Miller would be no different than taking Peterson when we have Toler. I don't believe the Cards feel they need to replace Levi Brown or Sendlein. Hadnot steps in for Faneca if necessary. They can get a very good ILB and/or an eventual replacement for Haggans in the 2nd or 3rd round. Keith is at RT with Bridges as backup. Wells and TH are set at RB. WR is fine for now. Wilson and Rhodes are set at Safety. So to me, in this pass driven league, greatly improving the nickel CB position is as big a need as any.

Its not like 2007 when they didn't have anybody to play Tackle and had to draft one and sign Mike Gandy as a FA. The Cards are in a unique position. They aren't drafting 5 because they had a depleted roster with a ton of holes like most teams drafting 1-5. They are drafting 5 because they had horrible QB play, several players in new positions, and poor defensive coaching.

So the Cards actually have multiple options in the first this year. Because as you say there are several guys who will grade out nearly as high as Peterson.

But for the reasons above I favor Peterson.

 

[PJ1]

Hopefully the Cards just hired a pass rush. Having Tolar at 6' 190 or Peterson at 6'1" 220 at the nickel instead of Adams is exactly what the Cards undersized defense needs.

We need players to get to the QB. A better nickel is a luxury at this point. I never said reach for someone but I don't consider Miller or Quinn a reach. Not that I have seen much of these guys but based more on what I have been told or read.

This and the fact I haven't given up on DRC and I like Toler. I am hoping Horton can improve both of them.

 

[Cards Czar]

The teams ahead of us also need CB help and in that if Peterson is a cant miss pick then he will not be there at 5 so drafting him is a moot point. He will be either drafted by Denver who's LCB's are either a FA (C. Bailey at 34yrs old) or going to jail ( P. Cox) so they really need a CB and Peterson fits them perfectly or a team that jumps ahead of us for him.

 

[Goldfield]

I would be all for peterson if available.

 

[Stout]

Picking at #5 this year shouldn't be the crapshoot it usually is. The CBA will hopefully have a rookie pay scale, so we don't have to mortgage the state of Arizona to sign our pick.

 

[kerouac9]

That rarely happens for any team.

Teams nearly always take a player at a position of need, and there are multiple guys that will grade out nearly as high as Peterson at positions that we really need.

Maybe, but when you're drafting in the Top 5, it makes more sense to take the best player on the board regardless of need in the hope that he becomes a cornerstone for your franchise. The Cards made that mistake in taking Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson.

Look at the Steelers: After the 1999 season they had rookie Troy Edwards as their leading receiver after only starting 6 games and Heinz Ward. They drafted Plaxico Burress 8th overall (people forget what a stud Plaxico was when he came out--he was the prototype for Larry Fitzgerald). In 2003 Touchdown Tommy Maddox had more passing yards than he did when he was Comeback Player of the year, and they drafted Ben Roethlisberger. Maddox was only 32 at the time.

I'm not saying that the Cards should draft Peterson 5th overall because of this, of course, but I'm saying that if Peterson is CLEARLY the top remaining prospect (the way that Adrian Peterson was at the time) when the Cards go on the clock, they shouldn't hesitate to draft him, if only because DRC is going to be in a contract year in 2013.

 

[CardLogic]

NDD, to answer your question - because if DRC doesn't grow a pair this off-season he will be on the outside lookin' in!

See:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2405375&postcount=32

 

[MrYeahBut]

I would be all for peterson if available.

My wife and I are fighting over Peterson. We are both LSU fans so we've seen him alot.

She wants him for her Broncos...me for the Cards, of course

 

[CardLogic]

Picking at #5 this year shouldn't be the crapshoot it usually is. The CBA will hopefully have a rookie pay scale, so we don't have to mortgage the state of Arizona to sign our pick.

If the draft occurs prior to the CBA being resolved; which I think is almost for certain; does the signing of draft picks fall under the new CBA, once resolved, or the old CBA or neither?

 

[kerouac9]

If the draft occurs prior to the CBA being resolved; which I think is almost for certain; does the signing of draft picks fall under the new CBA, once resolved, or the old CBA or neither?

The new CBA, but no rookies will be signed until the CBA is resolved.