Why do us Fans differ so greatly from the Pundits

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The first line out of any comments on the Cards is our great need of another OT. I think most of us here have been saying we aren't bad there now with our 2 rookies from last year and Levi returning. We seem to have a consensus here that we need an OG not s much an OT. Who is wrong? Are we over rating our 2 rookie OTs from last year? Are they not legitimate starters?

It seems to me that if we are that much apart in our thinking from all the sports writers, then one or the other is absolutely wrong and missing the boat. I have been thinking it is them and that they really don't study the Cards much and/or are just repeating what they have heard. But I am starting to question that now.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

The first line out of any comments on the Cards is our great need of another OT. I think most of us here have been saying we aren't bad there now with our 2 rookies from last year and Levi returning. We seem to have a consensus here that we need an OG not s much an OT. Who is wrong? Are we over rating our 2 rookie OTs from last year? Are they not legitimate starters?

It seems to me that if we are that much apart in our thinking from all the sports writers, then one or the other is absolutely wrong and missing the boat. I have been thinking it is them and that they really don't study the Cards much and/or are just repeating what they have heard. But I am starting to question that now.

They have no idea. They report what they hear and everything their hearing right now is a lie.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Our OL is a huge question mark. Sure there is potential that Levi will return to his form in the second half of 2011 or one of the rookies OTs will continue to develop into a quality starter.

However it is just as likely that our OT's are garbage again. The more options that we have at OT the better and the better OTs are found early in the first round!

 

[Duckjake]

The first line out of any comments on the Cards is our great need of another OT. I think most of us here have been saying we aren't bad there now with our 2 rookies from last year and Levi returning. We seem to have a consensus here that we need an OG not s much an OT. Who is wrong? Are we over rating our 2 rookie OTs from last year? Are they not legitimate starters?

It seems to me that if we are that much apart in our thinking from all the sports writers, then one or the other is absolutely wrong and missing the boat. I have been thinking it is them and that they really don't study the Cards much and/or are just repeating what they have heard. But I am starting to question that now.

No where near as much as those of us who post here on ASFN. Plus we discuss Cardinal football daily so get many different points of view about what the Cardinals need to do.

How many Cardinals games have you seen the last 5 years? I'll bet it's 86. Think many writers have seen that many Cardinals games? And for some of us there's probably a 100 or more replays we've watched.

 

[Chopper0080]

Look, the pundits have it right, we do need to upgrade at OT. Both sides. What they fail to see is that we also need to upgrade at all 3 interior positions. Now, because you can't fix everything in one offseason, most Cardinal fans would tell you that Nate Potter and Bobby Massie played better than Daryn Colledge and Adam Snyder last year, while most "pundits" would not know this. That's why "pundits" say we need to upgrade at OT when we can upgrade even more by getting better at OG.

 

[Duckjake]

Look, the pundits have it right, we do need to upgrade at OT. Both sides. What they fail to see is that we also need to upgrade at all 3 interior positions. Now, because you can't fix everything in one offseason, most Cardinal fans would tell you that Nate Potter and Bobby Massie played better than Daryn Colledge and Adam Snyder last year, while most "pundits" would not know this. That's why "pundits" say we need to upgrade at OT when we can upgrade even more by getting better at OG.

I disagree. I hate to jinx the guy but I believe that barring contract problems, or idiotic coaching moves, Bobbie Massie is going to be the Cards Right Tackle for the next 10 years and a darn good one at that.

 

[Chopper0080]

I disagree. I hate to jinx the guy but I believe that barring contract problems, or idiotic coaching moves, Bobbie Massie is going to be the Cards Right Tackle for the next 10 years and a darn good one at that.

My point was that we need better production than we got from the RT position in 2012. Personally, I believe Massie can improve to provide us with that increase in production, but it still needs to happen one way or another.

 

[kerouac9]

I disagree. I hate to jinx the guy but I believe that barring contract problems, or idiotic coaching moves, Bobbie Massie is going to be the Cards Right Tackle for the next 10 years and a darn good one at that.

And yet you just did. Excited to find out in 48 hours that Bobbie Massie was attacked by a boar at Kevin Kolb's Boar Hunting Camp and will be out for at least the next 18 months, and his career is in real jeopardy.

 

[Duckjake]

And yet you just did. Excited to find out in 48 hours that Bobbie Massie was attacked by a boar at Kevin Kolb's Boar Hunting Camp and will be out for at least the next 18 months, and his career is in real jeopardy.

I got into a debate with a 49er fan about how great Fitz was alluding to the numbers he put up in 2011 with horrible QBs. And look what happened!

I know. It sucks to not be able to be positive about any Cardinal player.

 

[john h]

The first line out of any comments on the Cards is our great need of another OT. I think most of us here have been saying we aren't bad there now with our 2 rookies from last year and Levi returning. We seem to have a consensus here that we need an OG not s much an OT. Who is wrong? Are we over rating our 2 rookie OTs from last year? Are they not legitimate starters?

It seems to me that if we are that much apart in our thinking from all the sports writers, then one or the other is absolutely wrong and missing the boat. I have been thinking it is them and that they really don't study the Cards much and/or are just repeating what they have heard. But I am starting to question that now.

Our greatest need is a good NFL QB. Our greatest need after that appears to be an OT according to most post on this board. How anyone can not think we do not need a QB more than anyone else surprises me. I read from Mitch sometimes he would like a great pass rusher. The only thing I feel positive about is the need for a QB. After that I am out of my depth.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

And yet you just did. Excited to find out in 48 hours that Bobbie Massie was attacked by a boar at Kevin Kolb's Boar Hunting Camp and will be out for at least the next 18 months, and his career is in real jeopardy.

Well, that still isn't as bad as a few years ago when all the starting line went for a ride in the same car and got in a bad accident that wiped out our OL before even the first game of the season. (I think I am remembering that correctly.)

 

[kerouac9]

Well, that still isn't as bad as a few years ago when all the starting line went for a ride in the same car and got in a bad accident that wiped out our OL before even the first game of the season. (I think I am remembering that correctly.)

I know that this hasn't happened since I've been a steady fan in 98. Don't know what you're talking about--I think a #3 RB got hurt this way some 10 years ago.

Anyway, people are connecting us with Tackles because we're drafting too high to select a guard, which is the conventional wisdom. If we need to build at OL and QB, and there's no QB to select, then the CW will be that we'll take the OL of highest value.

Also, because no one watches Cardinal games and they likely think that Levi Brown was playing all year.

 

[Solar7]

Regardless of the game film, sports writers look at the statistics and see that our tackles gave up the most sacks out of any players in the league, and gather the assumption that we've got garbage right there. However, they don't factor in that Nate Potter came in and replaced Batiste, or acknowledge Massie's improvement as the season wore on. Plus, Levi Brown may as well have flown to Mars to start up a colony, because they've completely forgotten he exists.

When a line is bad, the common person will assume it's the tackles that are bad.

 

[JeffGollin]

The first line out of any comments on the Cards is our great need of another OT. I think most of us here have been saying we aren't bad there now with our 2 rookies from last year and Levi returning. We seem to have a consensus here that we need an OG not s much an OT. Who is wrong? Are we over rating our 2 rookie OTs from last year? Are they not legitimate starters?

It seems to me that if we are that much apart in our thinking from all the sports writers, then one or the other is absolutely wrong and missing the boat. I have been thinking it is them and that they really don't study the Cards much and/or are just repeating what they have heard. But I am starting to question that now.

Please do not speak for me as a Cardinal fan. I think our OL has been a team weak-point for quite awhile (both on the ground and in the air). While I don't think fans are unanimous in this assessment, I'd guess that sentiment is 50-50. In any case, I don't agree with you that most fans don't feel we have a serious problem.

As for fans and media differing, I do agree with you, Duck and others. There are several reasons for the disconnect, including media people working for a living, often having different objectives (like hyping ratings, selling soap suds etc.) than do fans (who want to know more about their teams and want them to win). And then there's the casual-interest/lazy-journalism component that leads out-of-market media folk to report "what they heard somewhere."

Conclusion - Many members of the media agree with a number of us fans, that we've got an OL problem - even if for all the wrong reasons.

 

[earthsci]

I know that this hasn't happened since I've been a steady fan in 98. Don't know what you're talking about--I think a #3 RB got hurt this way some 10 years ago.

This what he is talking about.

Three Cardinals Injured in Car Accident...link

 

[TJ]

The differences are the vast majority of message board people are significantly less competent about the game than most of the pundits and said pundits can analyze the team more objectively; whereas, fans invest so much time and emotion into the team that it clouts their judgement.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Thx Earthsci, that's it and not as bad as I remember it. I thought for sure that we lost several OLmen that summer in flagstaff.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Mayock and Kiper have both talked up Potter and Massie. Just need to pay attention to the guys who do the draft for a living AND go back and grade the prior drafts.

 

[jmt]

It's not so hard to pick somewhere we need help - just about everywhere on offense.

 

[kerouac9]

The differences are the vast majority of message board people are significantly less competent about the game than most of the pundits and said pundits can analyze the team more objectively; whereas, fans invest so much time and emotion into the team that it clouts their judgement.

Wow. I could not disagree more with this assessment. Why is Mike Sando or Todd McShay or whatever media personality you choose more competent at judging NFL talent from the outside in than anyone here?

Everyone loves Mike Mayock; what are his credentials? He showed up at NFL films five years ago and begged for a job. No aptitude, no experience, just some free time and the ability to work for (almost) nothing.

All those "experts" in the Cards' front office who were sure that Kevin Kolb was a franchise quarterback sure knew what they were doing; now they're also on the outside looking in.

Just like the rest of us.

 

[Mulli]

Wow. I could not disagree more with this assessment. Why is Mike Sando or Todd McShay or whatever media personality you choose more competent at judging NFL talent from the outside in than anyone here?

Everyone loves Mike Mayock; what are his credentials? He showed up at NFL films five years ago and begged for a job. No aptitude, no experience, just some free time and the ability to work for (almost) nothing.

All those "experts" in the Cards' front office who were sure that Kevin Kolb was a franchise quarterback sure knew what they were doing; now they're also on the outside looking in.

Just like the rest of us.

Matt Williamson. Game set match.

 

[az jam]

One thing I know for sure is that when it comes to making a mock draft, I'm as good as any of these so called pundits. That is not saying much but so is everybody else on this board.

Additionally, Mike Mayock is way overrated as a draft analyst. He has great TV presence, self assured and talks a great game. He is very good at selling himself. I think he is very entertaining but has never been a scout. He has surpassed Mel Kiper as the hot TV draft guru.