Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

[SECTION 11]

Isn't this supposed to be the one preseason game where our starters get into the third quarter?
After rushing so many times in the San Diego and figuring out the #3 back, you'd figure that we'd be working on the receivers quite a bit in this game.

Why is Gilmore starting over Kasper?
Why is McAddley #2??
WTF is going on inside of Sullivan's head?

 

[CardAvenger]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Isn't this supposed to be the one preseason game where our starters get into the third quarter?
After rushing so many times in the San Diego and figuring out the #3 back, you'd figure that we'd be working on the receivers quite a bit in this game.

Why is Gilmore starting over Kasper?
Why is McAddley #2??
WTF is going on inside of Sullivan's head?

I have the same exact questions. It's almost making it believable that Sully doesn't like him.

 

[Skkorpion]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Isn't this supposed to be the one preseason game where our starters get into the third quarter?
After rushing so many times in the San Diego and figuring out the #3 back, you'd figure that we'd be working on the receivers quite a bit in this game.

Why is Gilmore starting over Kasper?
Why is McAddley #2??
WTF is going on inside of Sullivan's head?

Have you read a single camp report?

Gilmore is our best and fastest WR. McAddley plays the same position as Gilmore.

Kasper plays the "possession" receiver position and has been behind Foster and Boldin since day 1, and that's right where he should be.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I absolutely Agree

I completely agree. Something is mighty strange in Cardinal Camp!

I hear nothing about Gilmore, and only bad things about McAddley.

I KNOW for a fact Kasper is producing. He has been making plays, and as I see it should be the first stringer!

What about our rookies?

Ugh! Moy confusioso!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Have you read a single camp report?

Gilmore is our best and fastest WR. McAddley plays the same position as Gilmore.

Kasper plays the "possession" receiver position and has been behind Foster and Boldin since day 1, and that's right where he should be.

No I haven't. I guess I should.

Skorp can you put a link up for me ?

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
and that's right where he should be.

From all the reports I've seen, Kasper is the only one that consistently makes plays. To me, that says he should be starting in front of Foster for certain (who I haven't heard many good things about at all) and while I do hear good things about Boldin, I haven't seen him come up nearly as big as Kasper does in the box scores.

I don't care who gets the starts and PT as long as they're the ones who will give us the best chance to win--and I think that's Kasper at this point.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Isn't this supposed to be the one preseason game where our starters get into the third quarter?
After rushing so many times in the San Diego and figuring out the #3 back, you'd figure that we'd be working on the receivers quite a bit in this game.

Why is Gilmore starting over Kasper?
Why is McAddley #2??
WTF is going on inside of Sullivan's head?

S11:

Kasper was #3 on that side for San Diego, too. I think the position battles are over.

Look at the guys ahead of Kasper. Boldin and Johnson are this year's prize rookies, who Sullivan--presumably--had some input on drafting. McAddley and Gilmore are speed guys who Sullivan's been "developing" for two and three camps/ preseasons, respectively. Foster's a guy that Sullivan coached in Detroit, who--presumably, again--he encouraged the Cardinals to trade for. Sullivan's invested in these guys, to a greater-or-lesser extent.

Kasper's just a waiver pick-up they brought in primarily to return kicks. He made enough plays in the passing game last year to get a roster shot this season, but he's clearly not one of "the guys." If the Cardinals keep six receivers, Kasper will be the #6 WR and the starting KR. If they keep five, he's gone.

Kevin Kasper will be on someone's roster in September. I hope it's the Cards'.

WC

 

[Harpo]

Why is Kasper behind Foster? Foster is just as unproven as Kasper as a WR in the NFL. Hell, Kasper had more TD's in his last 2 games with the Cards than Foster has in 3 years in the NFL Foster is smaller, slower, weaker, has less hops, hands aren't as good, can't contribute on special teams (aside from bobbling punts), & missed more than 11 practices due to his foot. Then again, he has been extremely impressive in the one game he was fit to play in and averaged 7 yds on his 2 grabs.

Then again, Sully had him as a rookie, come to think of it, every WR on the team will be someone Sully had as a rookie. Maybe with his expertise, he can mold them into incredible WR's like he did with Martay Jenkins!!!!!!! You remember, he's that guy with great speed who would be an absolute stud under Sully's watchful eye.

 

[SECTION 11]

Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Kasper plays the "possession" receiver position and has been behind Foster and Boldin since day 1

Since day one, Foster and Boldin have outplayed Kasper?

 

[Goldfield]

Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Wild Card
S11:

Kasper was #3 on that side for San Diego, too. I think the position battles are over.

Look at the guys ahead of Kasper. Boldin and Johnson are this year's prize rookies, who Sullivan--presumably--had some input on drafting. McAddley and Gilmore are speed guys who Sullivan's been "developing" for two and three camps/ preseasons, respectively. Foster's a guy that Sullivan coached in Detroit, who--presumably, again--he encouraged the Cardinals to trade for. Sullivan's invested in these guys, to a greater-or-lesser extent.

Kasper's just a waiver pick-up they brought in primarily to return kicks. He made enough plays in the passing game last year to get a roster shot this season, but he's clearly not one of "the guys." If the Cardinals keep six receivers, Kasper will be the #6 WR and the starting KR. If they keep five, he's gone.

Kevin Kasper will be on someone's roster in September. I hope it's the Cards'.

WC

Sounds nice, but this is the NFL... Not playground patty cake.


Kasper will not be burried in the depth chart. He is one of our most productive WR's(not that thats a good thing) but he will get on the field.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

When Da Smoke Clears

I still think that when the smoke clears that our 3 best receivers will be Boldin/Johnson/Kasper....and I don't care what order you put them in.....the 2 best start in a 2-wide set....unless of course Sully has them into a position thing of Kasper/Boldin for the possesion thing and BJ for the speed thing.

Maybe Sully is hoping that Gilmore and McAddley will produce.....it would really help our depth.....but if they don't you have to sit em down or cut em.....you usually see some decent receivers getting cut this time of year.

 

[Skkorpion]

Re: Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Since day one, Foster and Boldin have outplayed Kasper?

Yes. In camp. Kasper has played well against backup players in two preseason games.

Larry Foster had a fabulous camp, clearly out-performing Kasper, who often struggled to do anything against the first string.

We are getting nowhere here. I'll drop it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Yes. In camp. Kasper has played well against backup players in two preseason games.

Larry Foster had a fabulous camp, clearly out-performing Kasper, who often struggled to do anything against the first string.

We are getting nowhere here. I'll drop it.

Not yet! Do you have the link to all the camp reports!?

Thanks man

 

[CardAvenger]

Re: When Da Smoke Clears

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
I still think that when the smoke clears that our 3 best receivers will be Boldin/Johnson/Kasper....

I wouldn't put Johnson in there just yet. Gilmore is clearly closer to being ready than him, IMO.

 

[CardAvenger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Yes. In camp. Kasper has played well against backup players in two preseason games.

Yeah, but he also played pretty solid against 1st stringers the last few games last year.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Re: Re: When Da Smoke Clears

Originally posted by CardAvenger
I wouldn't put Johnson in there just yet. Gilmore is clearly closer to being ready than him, IMO.

I hope you're correct.

Gilmore IMHO just seems more of a practice player than a gamer....I watched BJ a bunch in college and I know it's just college but he seemed to get better when things got tougher.....OTOH Kasper may be more of a gamer and may suck in practice.....IDFK.

 

[Wild Card]

Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Have you read a single camp report? Gilmore is our best and fastest WR.

Skkorp:

I've read every camp report. I went to minicamp. I was in Flagstaff. I watched the scrimmage. I've seen both preseason games.

It's widely documented that Bryan Gilmore is the fastest WR on the Cardinals roster (and, supposedly, one of the fastest players in the league). I'll take that on faith, although I haven't seen anyone struggling much to cover him.

Based on what, though, is Gilmore believed to be our "best" receiver? In three NFL seasons, he's appeared in 11 games. Caught one pass in seven games last year, before getting hurt. Didn't dominate in NFLE, going 30-403 and five TDs with Barcelona in ten games.

If this is truly the Cards' best receiver, we're screwed.

WC

 

[CardAvenger]

Re: Re: Re: When Da Smoke Clears

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
I hope you're correct.

Gilmore IMHO just seems more of a practice player than a gamer....I watched BJ a bunch in college and I know it's just college but he seemed to get better when things got tougher.....OTOH Kasper may be more of a gamer and may suck in practice.....IDFK.

Also, I keep forgetting to mix Foster into that mix. I'm so confused. I need some hooch.

 

[Wild Card]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is Kasper third on the depth chart for the Bears game?

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Kasper has played well against backup players in two preseason games. Larry Foster had a fabulous camp, clearly out-performing Kasper, who often struggled to do anything against the first string.

Skkorp:

I don't disagree about Foster's performance in camp. I was impressed by his route-running and polished technique the first time I saw him in minicamp. I think he's the closest thing to a finished product we have among the WRs, and I suspect Sullivan got him--in part--to serve as an example to the less-experienced wideouts.

Kasper played in the first halves of both preseason games, primarily against first-stringers. (I recognize that his long run off the reverse in the Dallas game was largely against backups. It's still the only TD scored by an offensive player for the Cards in preseason.)

WC

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Re: Re: Re: Re: When Da Smoke Clears

Originally posted by CardAvenger
Also, I keep forgetting to mix Foster into that mix. I'm so confused. I need some hooch.

George Dickel #12 Tennessee Sour Mash is a real SMOOOOTH 12 year old sour mash whiskey at a decent price (15-20$)....I'm startin the week-end early.

 

[Skkorpion]

You know guys, we are arguing between multiple, good choices for a change. If Kasper is our 6th WR, that says nothing but good things our entire corps of receivers.

Do you not trust Jerry Sullivan's judgment? I do. He has a long track record of success.

You need faith and patience. Gilmore has been underused this preseason because we needed to look at the younger guys. McAddley has been nursing a bad ankle sprain.

Many of you are coming to the wrong conclusions based on circumstances.

I've been trying to redirect opinions based on better access than you have. That's all. I have no crystal ball but I do know that Jerry Sullivan has big plans for Gilmore, McAddley, and Boldin.

If I was in Phoenix, I'd ask Jerry Sullivan about the WR rankings. However, I'm on vacation at my summer cabin. When I make it back to Phoenix in two weeks, I'll make sure to talk to Sullivan. Maybe he'll tell me something, maybe he won't.

 

[Skkorpion]

Jurecki just said, based on last night's practice, Foster, Gilmore and Boldin are the top 3 WRs. Mcaddley, Kasper, are next and Bryant Johnson just sucks, dropping lots of passes.

Gilmore is making a big push to be the #1 guy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
You know guys, we are arguing between multiple, good choices for a change. If Kasper is our 6th WR, that says nothing but good things our entire corps of receivers.

True Dat!

 

[pinnacle]

I think kasper makes the roster as a #6 receiver and #1 kick returner.. They do not want to risk having gilmore injured returning kicks or gunning on punts (his role last year). Scobey has not returned a kickoff in an NFL regular season game - and damien anderson (in my opinion) is not a very good kickoff returner (but makes the roster as a running back). If I am not mistaken - martay and gilmore (not sure about gilmore - I am sure about martay) were injured on special teams last year.. By putting kasper back there you have a guy who is capable, has done it before - and if he gets injured your season does not go down the drain.. Given the uncertainty of how a bunch of new guys will perform together - I think they have to go with kasper as the kickoff returner - no one else who is a candidate has done it before.. I think it is telling that gilmore and mcaddley are not ever mentioned as kickoff returners - which they both did last year.. the coaches are having these 2 guys focus on being receivers..

but if kasper is cut by us (unlikely due to special teams need) - he will be put on someones roster immediately.. probably as a 5th or 6th receiver and special teamer.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
You know guys, we are arguing between multiple, good choices for a change. If Kasper is our 6th WR, that says nothing but good things our entire corps of receivers.

Do you not trust Jerry Sullivan's judgment? I do. He has a long track record of success.

You need faith and patience. Gilmore has been underused this preseason because we needed to look at the younger guys. McAddley has been nursing a bad ankle sprain.

Many of you are coming to the wrong conclusions based on circumstances.

I've been trying to redirect opinions based on better access than you have. That's all. I have no crystal ball but I do know that Jerry Sullivan has big plans for Gilmore, McAddley, and Boldin.

If I was in Phoenix, I'd ask Jerry Sullivan about the WR rankings. However, I'm on vacation at my summer cabin. When I make it back to Phoenix in two weeks, I'll make sure to talk to Sullivan. Maybe he'll tell me something, maybe he won't.

I've got a quick question - and I don't mean to step on the toes of the all wonderful Jerry Sullivan, who I do think is a good coach, but sadly NOT OUR WR coach anymore and should be dealing more with getting this offense ready to go than anything else seeing how it's failed to score a touchdown in preseason or the scrimmage - but how many of those guys that Sullivan turned into great pros weren't guys who didn't already have that potential to be great in the first place? In Detroit there was Herman Moore and Johnnie Morton, Jermaine Crowell - right - weren't they both first and second round picks? David Boston - wasn't he a top ten pick? Frank Sanders - hadn't he become a reliable reciever for us, posting 1,000 yard seasons for us who hasn't come close to those numbers in the last two years under Sully? Then there was his project - Martay Jenkins - who had all the speed in the world - sounds like someone on this team, but never developed into a reciever worth anything. My question is this - Jerry seems to be able to bring the guys who have all the talent in the world up to their potential - that can not be doubted and he should get accolades for that because it is such a hard position to make the transition to. But what makes you think he can work mircales with a bunch of guys (Larry Foster, Gilmore, McAddley) who weren't up there in talent like the other people mentioned. Has he worked mircales like that before with undrafted FA and 2nd day picks?