WHY no help for Gandy??

[NeverSayDieFan]

Was Becht on the other-side helping Levi?? I just can't see letting a single player dominate a game like Freeney did. He disrupted EVERYTHING all night! OK! Summing up. We're all disappointed. It was pretty ugly BUT... Sips a lil' kool-aid. ...We are 1 game behind the 49ers with ALOT of football left. Also, I'm guessing the 49ers & Colts will tangle at some point later in the season. (It always amazes me how the Colts are over-looked as being a VERY GOOD football team.) You DON'T win 12 reg. season games in a row by accident. 2./ It was an inter-conference loss. ALL losses suck BUT better to lose to an AFC team rather than NFC. (ie; play-off implications). 3./ We are a work-in-progress. Last year we got HOT at the right time. I still consider the play-offs a realistic goal. GO CARDS!!

 

[Cardsfanstl]

That's what I want to know. Why no adjustments made to help him.

 

[PJ1]

It was ridiculous. Gandy was clearly overmatched and I never saw him get any help. Very poor game plan as anyone could see this situation coming.

 

[dylanbw]

Larry Centers made a career out of crushing DEs on his way out to the flat, why can't Hightower be taught how to do the same thing? That game was humiliating. Pathetic, really.....

 

[Covert Rain]

What about Brown? He was worked just as bad if not worse at times. The only thing the Cards could have done last night was play double tight end sets the entire night. That was about the only thing that would have prevented the 2 second pocket collapse occurring all night long.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Because we're trying to utilize our our new #1 target Tim Hightower out of the backfield.

 

[Duckjake]

What about Brown? He was worked just as bad if not worse at times. The only thing the Cards could have done last night was play double tight end sets the entire night. That was about the only thing that would have prevented the 2 second pocket collapse occurring all night long.

Running the ball effectively with a back that the opposition has to respect as a threat to go 70 at anytime would help.

 

[seesred]

That's a great question? Why no help. Where were are two tight end formations that could have lined up next to Gandy? This game ois gone. But I don't think it means our saesons coming to an end!

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[conraddobler]

That's a great question? Why no help. Where were are two tight end formations that could have lined up next to Gandy? This game ois gone. But I don't think it means our saesons coming to an end!

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Because that's not Warner ball.

We play Warner ball, we should play football but everyone thinks Warner ball is a better idea.

Double tight ends all night long would of been a great idea, as running the ball would have been.

I'm not sure why this was allowed to happen but I am sure that Warner ball had a hand in it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Running the ball effectively with a back that the opposition has to respect as a threat to go 70 at anytime would help.

That is not going to help these guys keep the pocket open more then 2 seconds when Warner drops back to pass. Many of those plays were Warner had 2 seconds were not because linebackers were blitzing. There were 4 down lineman plays with our o-line getting worked one on one.

 

[conraddobler]

That is not going to help these guys keep the pocket open more then 2 seconds when Warner drops back to pass. Many of those plays were Warner had 2 seconds were not because linebackers were blitzing. There were 4 down lineman plays with our o-line getting worked one on one.

But let's examine how that happens.

The DE just makes whatever move he wants, in or out because he does not have to worry the QB will scramble and he knows it's a pass.

So you put Gandy the ancient one on an island and ask him to cover ridiculous amounts of territory where the guy has all the options in the world to get around him and the DE is fast enough to do just that.

Gandy didn't suddenly go from passable to suck, he got schooled by being left to die.

If you put GI Joe out in a field and told him to hold off a charging tank army with a .22 single shot rifle then shamed him for failing this is approximately what we just did to Gandy.

 

[Covert Rain]

But let's examine how that happens.

The DE just makes whatever move he wants, in or out because he does not have to worry the QB will scramble and he knows it's a pass.

So you put Gandy the ancient one on an island and ask him to cover ridiculous amounts of territory where the guy has all the options in the world to get around him and the DE is fast enough to do just that.

Gandy didn't suddenly go from passable to suck, he got schooled by being left to die.

If you put GI Joe out in a field and told him to hold off a charging tank army with a .22 single shot rifle then shamed him for failing this is approximately what we just did to Gandy.

Your acting like Matt is Michael Vick. I seriously doubt teams will enter a game plan saying....how can we contain Matt. Come on. Matt is more mobile but that didn't help Matt the last time he had significant playing time. He was running for his life back then too.

Also, lets not make excuses for Gandy or Brown. When your guys blows by you in less then 2 seconds, it's not about how much ground you have to cover. These guys not only were ran around, there were several instances where these guys were bull rushed right into Warner. That had nothing to do with Warner's mobility. They simply were beat on several occasions.

Everyone predicted Matt would run for his life last time and they were right. It will happen again unless this o-line gets it's act together.

 

[Russ Smith]

I was in the doctors office today as my girlfriend got a flu shot. They had some magazine that rated the top 100 NFL players. The one for Freeney quoted Jon Gruden saying he's one of the guys you have to completely change your scheme for. You have to make sure you block him or he'll disrupt your entire passing offense. Exactly what he did last night.

Fitz was the #5 overall player I think, Boldin, Warner and Wilson were also on the list and DRC was on the top players under 25 list.

 

[Duckjake]

Things were so bad yesterday that Freeney wasn't even playing when Warner was Bob Lily'd for a 28 yard loss.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/28/dwight-freeney-to-undergo-mri-exam-on-right-quad/

 

[82CardsGrad]

Because that's not Warner ball.

We play Warner ball, we should play football but everyone thinks Warner ball is a better idea.

Double tight ends all night long would of been a great idea, as running the ball would have been.

I'm not sure why this was allowed to happen but I am sure that Warner ball had a hand in it.

This is beyond ridiculous Conard... This is Whiz's team, period. He calls ALL of the shots. He saw that not providing any help to Brown and Gandy was, well... not working. And HE chose to do zippo about it. Blaming this on Warner is so misguided.

 

[conraddobler]

This is beyond ridiculous Conard... This is Whiz's team, period. He calls ALL of the shots. He saw that not providing any help to Brown and Gandy was, well... not working. And HE chose to do zippo about it. Blaming this on Warner is so misguided.

You guys aren't getting what I'm saying.

Warner ball isn't double TE's, it isn't helping out, it's simply beating the other team to the punch.

Martz left Warner back there to die the exact same way, it's a sellout to get three WR's in a pattern with a dumpoff option and it is never max protect and it's suppossed to be designed to put the maximum pressure on the defense leveraging what Warner does to the max.

Bulger was nearly killed running it after Kurt left.

Kurt likes it that way, he prefers it.

I think Matt would prefer to live as would most QB's.

It's ultimately Whiz's fault for not tweaking it but everyone always says you play what you're suited for, well that's what Warner does best, he sucks with max protect he'll hold the ball forever praying someone comes open, he sucks at just throwing the ball away.

I'm just telling you that we were ripe for what happened last night and every team with a decent pass rush will do the 49ers scheme on us, every time, a good number will have the horsepower to pull it off.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You guys aren't getting what I'm saying.

Warner ball isn't double TE's, it isn't helping out, it's simply beating the other team to the punch.

Martz left Warner back there to die the exact same way, it's a sellout to get three WR's in a pattern with a dumpoff option and it is never max protect and it's suppossed to be designed to put the maximum pressure on the defense leveraging what Warner does to the max.

Bulger was nearly killed running it after Kurt left.

Kurt likes it that way, he prefers it.

I think Matt would prefer to live as would most QB's.

It's ultimately Whiz's fault for not tweaking it but everyone always says you play what you're suited for, well that's what Warner does best, he sucks with max protect he'll hold the ball forever praying someone comes open, he sucks at just throwing the ball away.

I'm just telling you that we were ripe for what happened last night and every team with a decent pass rush will do the 49ers scheme on us, every time, a good number will have the horsepower to pull it off.

Who cares what Warner-ball is or is not?? Again, this is Whiz's team, period. After watching what the 9ers did, and then seeing what was happening in the game last night, you're gonna sit here and try to make a point that even though Whiz could have made adjustments, he chose not to because it wouldn't be "Warner Ball"??? C'mon man... you're smarter than that.

 

[conraddobler]

Who cares what Warner-ball is or is not?? Again, this is Whiz's team, period. After watching what the 9ers did, and then seeing what was happening in the game last night, you're gonna sit here and try to make a point that even though Whiz could have made adjustments, he chose not to because it wouldn't be "Warner Ball"??? C'mon man... you're smarter than that.

Warner ball is what it is and Warner likes it that way and I agree it's on Whiz to change it.

Last night no one changed it and it got schooled.

I'm sure he'll have an awesome game against Houston and everyone will forget this and then we'll play someone good and it'll happen again.

Do I think it's because Warner is the QB and likes it that way, ie does not want to sacrifice the extra weapons for more protection?

Absolutely, I've never heard him ever lobby for more protection.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Warner ball is what it is and Warner likes it that way and I agree it's on Whiz to change it.

Last night no one changed it and it got schooled.

I'm sure he'll have an awesome game against Houston and everyone will forget this and then we'll play someone good and it'll happen again.

Do I think it's because Warner is the QB and likes it that way, ie does not want to sacrifice the extra weapons for more protection?

Absolutely, I've never heard him ever lobby for more protection.

Whatever... I guess at the end of the day, I believe the head coach is the one that makes final decisions, not a player. So, for Whiz to see what happened against the 9ers, and what was transpiring in the game last night, and not do a damn thing about it.. well, it's ALL on him. Nobody else. He let it happen. He chose to not help our tackles. He chose to give up on the run game. He chose to sit Beanie.
I don't really care what Warner asks for, or doesn't ask for... It's all on Whiz... And it's up to him to figure out how to fix this thing...

 

[conraddobler]

Whatever... I guess at the end of the day, I believe the head coach is the one that makes final decisions, not a player. So, for Whiz to see what happened against the 9ers, and what was transpiring in the game last night, and not do a damn thing about it.. well, it's ALL on him. Nobody else. He let it happen. He chose to not help our tackles. He chose to give up on the run game. He chose to sit Beanie.
I don't really care what Warner asks for, or doesn't ask for... It's all on Whiz... And it's up to him to figure out how to fix this thing...

This team to be effective has to have a counter for what the 49ers did to us, that blueprint is all over the league now.

There are things that can be done to fix it, let's hope during the bye week they do it.

The best thing they could do is find a run game fast.

 

[Russ Smith]

This team to be effective has to have a counter for what the 49ers did to us, that blueprint is all over the league now.

There are things that can be done to fix it, let's hope during the bye week they do it.

The best thing they could do is find a run game fast.

The Niners stopped us by doubling Fitz and giving the flat pass to Hightower. They didn't really have a great pass rush until late in the game. The Colts beat us with pressure on Kurt.

I would add in both games he was still moving the ball, 288 and 332 pass yards, we just didn't manage to punch it in. That's the problem here what coach is going to completely change a system that's putting up so many 300 yard passing games?

It's a real conundrum because in the long term the best thing for us to do is run more and be balanced. But as long as Kurt is out there he's going to audible to the pass, continue to get hit when he throws, and continue to get mad after every hit. He thinks we should be able to protect him with just the OL. This OL doesn't have Orlando Pace to neutralize one side of the field.

 

[Covert Rain]

Who cares what Warner-ball is or is not?? Again, this is Whiz's team, period. After watching what the 9ers did, and then seeing what was happening in the game last night, you're gonna sit here and try to make a point that even though Whiz could have made adjustments, he chose not to because it wouldn't be "Warner Ball"??? C'mon man... you're smarter than that.

Exactly. This an offensive system built around the players we have. A change a quarterback doesn't change your offensive scheme. Matt would be charged with the same offense, the same plays and the same responsibility of getting the ball in our receivers hands. That would not change. I don't believe in this Warner ball crap. I believe this scheme and the way it's being utilized is dictated by your offenses coordinator (Whiz). It's Whiz ball not Warner ball and it will be the same if it's Warner or Matt back there.

You get balance through production at both the passing game and running game. Matt doesn't make Hightower an every down back. Matt doesn't make the offensive line give him more then 2 seconds. Matt doesn't help the defense play any better. Matt doesn't make the Whiz call the plays any better.

 

[Mitch]

The Niners stopped us by doubling Fitz and giving the flat pass to Hightower. They didn't really have a great pass rush until late in the game. The Colts beat us with pressure on Kurt.

I would add in both games he was still moving the ball, 288 and 332 pass yards, we just didn't manage to punch it in. That's the problem here what coach is going to completely change a system that's putting up so many 300 yard passing games?

It's a real conundrum because in the long term the best thing for us to do is run more and be balanced. But as long as Kurt is out there he's going to audible to the pass, continue to get hit when he throws, and continue to get mad after every hit. He thinks we should be able to protect him with just the OL. This OL doesn't have Orlando Pace to neutralize one side of the field.

Russ, Parys Haralson was a huge factor throughout the game, and was really the difference.