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to perform in a movie where the character gets raped for 5 minutes straight.

Leave it to Sundance to put out a movie like this..

The latest new "Sundance Flick" flick has opened in theatres today. In the movie, 12 year old Dakota Fannings new movie Hounddog where theres a scene in which she's raped for 5 straight minutes.

So how ****ed up are Fannings parents to allow her to go through with this scene. Was it really neccessary for the rape scene to be 5 minutes long? Or for there to be a Rape scene PERIOD?? Its not like its an adult playing a 12 year old. Its legitimately a 12 year old doing this type of scene.
 

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to perform in a movie where the character gets raped for 5 minutes straight.

Leave it to Sundance to put out a movie like this..

The latest new "Sundance Flick" flick has opened in theatres today. In the movie, 12 year old Dakota Fannings new movie Hounddog where theres a scene in which she's raped for 5 straight minutes.

So how ****ed up are Fannings parents to allow her to go through with this scene. Was it really neccessary for the rape scene to be 5 minutes long? Or for there to be a Rape scene PERIOD?? Its not like its an adult playing a 12 year old. Its legitimately a 12 year old doing this type of scene.
I just had this conversation with a friend of mine...I would never, ever allow my kids to do that. I don't care how "carefully" it's done. Ultimately, she's going to see herself on screen being raped...it's just wrong.
 

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I think Sundance puts out a lot of great films.

But, as a single woman without kids, I am guessing that, even if I had an opinion on this issue, it wouldn't matter. And, for the record, I haven't seen this film.
 

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I think Sundance puts out a lot of great films.

But, as a single woman without kids, I am guessing that, even if I had an opinion on this issue, it wouldn't matter. And, for the record, I haven't seen this film.
everyone's opinion counts.
 
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Linderbee's right.. Every opinion counts.

I agree wholeheartedly with you Lind.. 20-25 years from now, that video of her getting "raped" in this movie will be there. How is she going to explain it to her children when they're that age?

It just stinks to me.. Stinks bad.
 

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Here's a Times article from the end of July:

All shook up over Dakota's 'Hounddog'

Twelve-year-old Dakota Fanning deals with rape and child abuse in 'Hounddog.'

Cute-as-a-button child star Dakota Fanning, who turned 12 in February, is venturing into sexually disturbing territory in a movie being filmed in North Carolina.

The screenplay for "Hounddog" - a dark story of abuse, violence and Elvis Presley adulation in the rural South, written and directed by Deborah Kampmeier - calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments.

Fanning's mother, Joy, and her Hollywood agent, Cindy Osbrink, see the movie as a possible Oscar vehicle for the pint-size star. But despite Fanning's status as a bankable actress - whose movies, including last year's "War of the Worlds," have earned more than half a billion dollars since 2001 - the alarming material seems to have scared off potential investors from the under-$5 million indie project.

"The two taboos in Hollywood are child abuse and the killing of animals," a source close to the situation told me. "In this movie, both things happen."

Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed. But then the production - which also stars Robin Wright Penn, David Morse and Piper Laurie - was shut down for lack of funds. Penn, who's also an executive producer, gave a pep talk to the dispirited cast in the days leading up to the shutdown. The desperate producer, Jen Gatien, daughter of former club czar Peter Gatien, sent out an SOS to New York entertainment entrepreneur Lawrence Robins. Robins located emergency investors, filming resumed, and the movie is scheduled to wrap tomorrow.

"The subject matter is very tough," Robins told me, "but I was attracted to it because in the end it's a story about human understanding, about a little girl who's dealt a very bad deck of cards, but finds solace in the music of Elvis and survives."

The script requires the preteen actress to confront tougher challenges than Brooke Shields and Jodie Foster did when, at Fanning's age, they played child prostitutes.

"It's not just the rape scene - the whole story is challenging Dakota as an actress," Fanning's longtime agent, Osbrink, told me. "And I've never been so proud of her in my life. I've seen the dailies, and in every scene she gets better and better."
 

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Fanning's mother, Joy, and her Hollywood agent, Cindy Osbrink, see the movie as a possible Oscar vehicle for the pint-size star.

Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed.

"It's not just the rape scene - the whole story is challenging Dakota as an actress," Fanning's longtime agent, Osbrink, told me. "And I've never been so proud of her in my life. I've seen the dailies, and in every scene she gets better and better."

These 3 parts are why this is so messed up. "I don't care about the psychological welfare of my child....I want that Oscar on the mantle. What? You say she has the rest of her life to win an Oscar? So? I want it NOW!"

And the agent...so disconnected from the fact that this is a CHILD.

Damn, when will people just let kids be KIDS.
 

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btw, Jay, ironically enough, you answered your question in the title of your thread. I think you probably meant "self-respecting parent", but you put "self-serving parent" which is exactly why this has happened. Her parents want the fame & prestige, which is totally self-serving.
 
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These 3 parts are why this is so messed up. "I don't care about the psychological welfare of my child....I want that Oscar on the mantle. What? You say she has the rest of her life to win an Oscar? So? I want it NOW!"

And the agent...so disconnected from the fact that this is a CHILD.

Damn, when will people just let kids be KIDS.

I don't care if she won 100 Oscars, I'd NEVER let any of my daughters play a role like this.

Unfortunately, flash a few greenbacks someone's way, and people lose all site of values and morale.
 
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btw, Jay, ironically enough, you answered your question in the title of your thread. I think you probably meant "self-respecting parent", but you put "self-serving parent" which is exactly why this has happened. Her parents want the fame & prestige, which is totally self-serving.

You are correct Linda.. I was just so damned disgusted when I read this article of the movie that I lost track of my vocab.
 

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The film still hasn't been purchased by a distributor, as far as I know. Chances are it will never get any kind of wide release in this country.
 

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I tend to agree with Jay and Linda here. Why does the movie have to show the "rape"? Plenty of movies that deal with bad subjects do it without actually showing the unpleasant details.

EVen though it's just a movie it's not something I'd want to see just because i know there's a scene with a kid getting raped. Hard enough to watch a movie with an adult being raped but a kid, no thank you.

How many movies has Fanning already made, is it really that critical that she make this movie with that scene to try and get an oscar at her age?
 
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See, here's my issue.. Ok, perhaps the concept of this character being able to find a haven of sanctity by listening to Elvis, ok..

If one of the issues she had to overcome was rape, fine.. We can't be naive and act like it doesn't happen.

Why couldn't they simply just have INSINUATIONS? Have the scene cut to black and resume with a new scene, after the fact? We're not stupid, the insinuation would be clear enough.. Why do they have to go through with a full blown scene, that lasts for over 5 MINUTES?

The movie itself, other than this horrid scene, sounds like it's actually fairly decent. However, as long as this scene remains a part of it, I cannot and will not bring myself to watch or promote the movie itself by viewing.
 

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Can we change this thread title to "Hounddog"?
 

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Does it even really matter? Every child actor becomes screwed up when they are adults anyways.. Lindsy Lohan etc etc.. Who was the last child star not to be messed up? Ron Howard?
 

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Who was the last child star not to be messed up? Ron Howard?

Apparently you never heard the stories about Fonzie, Potzie and Richie. Let's just say, I'll never look at Ralph Malph the same. :shock:
 

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Apparently you never heard the stories about Fonzie, Potzie and Richie. Let's just say, I'll never look at Ralph Malph the same. :shock:

they werent children on happy days unless your referring to fonzi and them being on the andy griffith show too..
 

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I don't know that I've EVER seen a 5 minute rape scene. That's damn near child pornography. Not cool.
 

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Does it even really matter? Every child actor becomes screwed up when they are adults anyways.. Lindsy Lohan etc etc.. Who was the last child star not to be messed up? Ron Howard?

Hillary Duff!

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The director probably felt that an event central to the story warranted more than insinuations. Like it or not, it's art, and as such subject to the whims of the artist.

No one forced the girl to do the scene. No one forced the parents to let her do the scene. No one forced you to watch the scene.

You can make your movie different, but this movie isn't a "choose your own adventure" where the audience gets to direct it. It is what it is and while you and I may be repulsed by it, there's no point in asking, "why didn't they just do this instead."

JMHO.
 

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The director probably felt that an event central to the story warranted more than insinuations. Like it or not, it's art, and as such subject to the whims of the artist.

No one forced the girl to do the scene. No one forced the parents to let her do the scene. No one forced you to watch the scene.

You can make your movie different, but this movie isn't a "choose your own adventure" where the audience gets to direct it. It is what it is and while you and I may be repulsed by it, there's no point in asking, "why didn't they just do this instead."

JMHO.

I agree. I dont think any of us have seen the scene in question, so I will reserve judgement. Apparently, the close-up reaction shots of Fanning's face were shot at another location, compeltely seperate from the other shots.

I doubt I will ever see this movie or The Brown Bunny for that matter, mostly it sounds like the brouhaha over it all has kind of ruined whatever the director was trying to achieve.
 

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Based on the interviews the scene was not simulated in any way. They just filmed the scenes to appear that way. In addition, if the movie is about dealing with a subject and they feel that it might help people out there, then I can see why she chose to do the movie. DF is not your typical child actor. She is very mature for her age and if it was exploitative, I doubt she would even do the movie.

People are making this a bigger story then I think it is.
 

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Well, then that's just wrong. No one should actually be raped for a movie.

I hope Tim Robbins didn't have to endure that in the Shawshank Redemption.

Director: "Now Tim, the only way we can make this scene work is if it's real. No lube or anything. I want real baby!"
 

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