Will Kurt now turn into Delhomme?

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We go into Carolina, Delhomme inexplicably throws 5 picks and the Cards win big.

Carolina comes to Arizona, Warner throws 5 picks and.............?
 

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Depending on weather I think Kurt will be fine next week against the Bears.

I'm more concerned with can we handle Cutler and Forte, the defense looked a lot more vulnerable today.

Chicago is not a great team but they do have some guys who can make big plays and we seem to give up LOTS of big plays.
 

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We go into Carolina, Delhomme inexplicably throws 5 picks and the Cards win big.

Carolina comes to Arizona, Warner throws 5 picks and.............?

Kurt has had a game like this literally every single year of his career. 1998 was the only season where he didn't have a game of 4+ turnovers. This sort of thing doesn't rattle him.
 

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Well, I hope it was his ritual bad game of the season, although he hasn't looked very impressive all season, aside from the J-ville game.

Since we all know Whis isnt going to make the move to Leinart if Kurt continues to falter, all we can do is hope and pray that Warner bounces back.
 

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Kurt has had a game like this literally every single year of his career. 1998 was the only season where he didn't have a game of 4+ turnovers. This sort of thing doesn't rattle him.

How about the other 6 games of the season? 5 bad or less than stellar performances out of 6, plus one massive turd of a game? That just isn't good.
 

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Well, I hope it was his ritual bad game of the season, although he hasn't looked very impressive all season, aside from the J-ville game.

Since we all know Whis isnt going to make the move to Leinart if Kurt continues to falter, all we can do is hope and pray that Warner bounces back.

...and that the weather is nice in Chicago on Sunday.
 

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...and that the weather is nice in Chicago on Sunday.

Pt Cloudy & 58.

What scares me is that there's solid rain behind that. Mother Nature decides to hurry it up a bit, and he's playing in the rain.
 

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I mentioned this in another thread...

It's absolutely inexplicable that Kurt would call his old buddy Jake and give him the "hang in there buddy" pep talk the week the CARDINALS play them.

I wonder if Jake returned the favor this morning.
 

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How about the other 6 games of the season? 5 bad or less than stellar performances out of 6, plus one massive turd of a game? That just isn't good.

Honestly, it's his mediocre games that worry me more than the 5 interceptions.
 

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That means you're incredibly worried then, because he's been mediocre all year.

His overall performance has certainly been up and down. He had three games with an over 100 rating (which is good, 131 against the Jags which is excellent) and the rest are all below 80. Three terrible games against SF, Indy and Carolina.
 

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I just hope Kurt can get some amnesia from last weeks game and move forward this season and see what we can do as a TEAM and get more speed on the field and try to get the offense restarted and adding in some bigger chunks.

Different plans have got to be made for that to happen.You can't go to the well but so many times and then you have to take a different approach to attacking the same defensive coverages.

Our defensive run stopping scheme also needs to be tweaked to maintain the outside leverage and containment that has been broken the last two weeks mainly,on Okeafors side.I hope Davis is trying to fix the problem for practice tomorrow as we speak and I hope the team had to be forced to watch last weeks game film for extra motivation.

We need players who have taken the reps for Boldin and Breaston to take their spots this week finally and show if they can play NFL football or not.We won last year without Boldin.We can do it again.Anyone can help as long as they bring hands and speed to the picture.As even Sean Morey did near the end of the game.

Nobody in the NFL is going anywhere this year in the playoffs without team speed.No One!!!
 

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Different plans have got to be made for that to happen.You can't go to the well but so many times and then you have to take a different approach to attacking the same defensive coverages.
I agree completely. From what I've seen, there is no speed at WR. With poor pass blocking there's just no way to make the passing game work with multiple WR sets.

It really isn't complicated though, the Cardinals have to make defenses respect the running game. Every defense is playing with their safeties way back so even if there was time to throw something deep there really isn't anywhere to go with the ball.

Generally though, a cover 2 can be attacked up the middle but without any speed at WR defenses are just clogging the middle in pass coverage. If the Cardinals had some speed they might still be able to beat this type of defense but Boldin is always hurt and was never fast to begin with, Breaston's knee must still be a problem, Urban can't catch and Fitz is getting double covered every play.

I don't know why they went away from the 2 TE sets that they were using vs. NYG. That seems to be the way to go and they were still running the ball well vs. Carolina so I really don't see what the problem is. They are going to have to over-run the ball at this point. This vaunted WR corps is not up to carrying the offense right now. Too many drops, not enough speed, not enough time.

EDIT: I wanted to check the splits and my assumption seems to be correct. Although the number of attempts is far different, look at the difference in efficiency:

2+ TE sets:
23/28 174 2TD 0INT 116.4rating 0 sacks
4+ WR sets:
117/189 1,325 5TD 8INT 74.1rating 11 sacks

Man, looking at the splits is pretty revealing.
212 of his 283 attempts(75%) have been at or behind the line of scrimmage or 1-10 yards.
by comparison, Peyton(56%), Brady(53%), Brees(51%), Rodgers(52%), etc.

He has 15 passes overthrown and 1 pass underthrown.

 
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I agree completely. From what I've seen, there is no speed at WR. With poor pass blocking there's just no way to make the passing game work with multiple WR sets.

Mokler - He has the identical team around him as he did last year. Same WR's, same OL, Same TE's.

The only differences are Todd Haley being gone (which maybe huge but don't say there is not enough speed at WR or the pass blocking just started sucking) or more likely, Warner just isn't playing as well.
 

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Mokler - He has the identical team around him as he did last year. Same WR's, same OL, Same TE's.
That's not exactly true. Edge is gone and Breaston is hobbled. I personally wouldn't think that it would cause a drop off like it has but as much as I think Beanie is an improvement over Edge in the running game, it may be making a difference.

Warner struggling is pretty evident but I really don't think he's forgotten how to play football. I think one of the beat writers used the analogy "death of a thousand cuts" to describe the Carolina debacle. There was no one reason the team lost and I think Warner's struggles are of a similar vein. Different personnel(slight as it may be), Boldin and more importantly Breaston being slowed, the play calling, the continued limitations of the o-line, Warner's shoulder/hip...it has to add up at some point.

I'm not completely sold on the hip because Warner said it bothered him all of last year. Maybe it's bothering him more now but I would lean toward the shoulder being more problematic at this point in terms of Warner dealing with physical issues.
 
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