Willis Mcgahee ?

[NYCARD]

I haven't really heard him mentioned much. But don't the Cards have to atleast think about a guy like him in the 2nd round?
I know they just signed Emmit but you could just rehab Willis for a year and consider him as an extra first rounder next year.
Ok, know everyone can explain to me why I'm crazy. The guy really reminds me of Edgerin James in the way he runs.


I haven't been around in like a year. But at draft time all the "experts" come out of the woodwork.

Skkorp, how about ND baby.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by NYCARD
I haven't really heard him mentioned much. But don't the Cards have to atleast think about a guy like him in the 2nd round?
I know they just signed Emmit but you could just rehab Willis for a year and consider him as an extra first rounder next year.
Ok, know everyone can explain to me why I'm crazy. The guy really reminds me of Edgerin James in the way he runs.


I haven't been around in like a year. But at draft time all the "experts" come out of the woodwork.

Skkorp, how about ND baby.

If the Cards could really afford to take a flier like that, then yes why not. But the cards are in no position to take that kind of risk in the second round. If they had 2 1st rounders or 2 second rounders to play with, maybe then...but they simply must make every pick work this year.

McGahee, while his recovery is being termed phenomenal, I still doubt he will play at all this coming season. It is one thing to run in a pool and quite another to cut left and right while Gilbert Brown is hanging onto your back.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

and i think this is just the type of chance the cards need to take. instead of always taking the safe picks and having "high motor-high character" guys the cards need to swing for the fences once in a while, even if the swing doesn't help in the immediate future. when there is a possible game-breaking player that needs time to develop, take him and develop him. though we are in dire need of a passrusher, i would not be the least bit disappointed if we went wacky and took leftwich with #6 and mcgahee with #37. now everyone go ahead, mock me, but don't be too negative or i'll report you to the banning committee. whhhhhhhhhheeeeeegodthedraftsgottagetheresooneeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE
and i think this is just the type of chance the cards need to take. instead of always taking the safe picks and having "high motor-high character" guys the cards need to swing for the fences once in a while, even if the swing doesn't help in the immediate future. when there is a possible game-breaking player that needs time to develop, take him and develop him. though we are in dire need of a passrusher, i would not be the least bit disappointed if we went wacky and took leftwich with #6 and mcgahee with #37. now everyone go ahead, mock me, but don't be too negative or i'll report you to the banning committee. whhhhhhhhhheeeeeegodthedraftsgottagetheresooneeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Yeah, let's take a guy high, that isn't at a position of need at all, who has had TWO major knee injuries. The injury in the Fiesta Bowl was his second knee injury.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE
and i think this is just the type of chance the cards need to take. instead of always taking the safe picks and having "high motor-high character" guys the cards need to swing for the fences once in a while, even if the swing doesn't help in the immediate future. when there is a possible game-breaking player that needs time to develop, take him and develop him. though we are in dire need of a passrusher, i would not be the least bit disappointed if we went wacky and took leftwich with #6 and mcgahee with #37. now everyone go ahead, mock me, but don't be too negative or i'll report you to the banning committee. whhhhhhhhhheeeeeegodthedraftsgottagetheresooneeeeeeeeeeeeee!

If the Cards were annually making the playoffs and such then by all means, but clearly they are not that type of team. They need guys who are going to produce now (although fully admitting the draft is no guarantee). They need to finally have a draft that actually pans out in their favor.

Like I said, if they had an extra pick in round 1 or 2...maybe take that flier because the extra pick lets you roll the dice a bit more, but not without an extra pick to essentially throw away.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE
and i think this is just the type of chance the cards need to take. instead of always taking the safe picks and having "high motor-high character" guys the cards need to swing for the fences once in a while, even if the swing doesn't help in the immediate future. when there is a possible game-breaking player that needs time to develop, take him and develop him. though we are in dire need of a passrusher, i would not be the least bit disappointed if we went wacky and took leftwich with #6 and mcgahee with #37. now everyone go ahead, mock me, but don't be too negative or i'll report you to the banning committee. whhhhhhhhhheeeeeegodthedraftsgottagetheresooneeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I'm not saying anything, but like Jimmy Carter, I sure am thinking a lot of things.......so go ahead and report me to the committee.

 

[Skkorpion]

NYCARD, welcome. Haven't heard from you in a while.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that we don't draft a RB at all. Not a one. McGahee is a huge risk. Let somebody else take him.

 

[RedStorm]

Re: Re: Willis Mcgahee ?

Originally posted by AZCB34
If the Cards could really afford to take a flier like that, then yes why not. But the cards are in no position to take that kind of risk in the second round. If they had 2 1st rounders or 2 second rounders to play with, maybe then...but they simply must make every pick work this year.

If the Cards get 2 1st Rd or 2 2nd Rd picks they will spend them on DE, DT, and WR. RB is last on the list. If, in RD 7 Mcgahee is around then they might take him.

We need a pass rush and someone to catch the ball. I think the Cards are looking to move down.

 

[Snakester]

I wouldn't mind if the Card's picked McGahee in the second. Let him sit a year rehabbing and then cut Emmitt next year and play McGahee with Shipp. That would be a smart thing to do but the Cards will do the old get a WR because we let our probowler leave with a pat on the back trick. Untill the Cards stop trying to replace players that leave with draft picks we will have nothing but a losing team for the next century. You draft for the future not for the now.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Snakester
I wouldn't mind if the Card's picked McGahee in the second. Let him sit a year rehabbing and then cut Emmitt next year and play McGahee with Shipp. That would be a smart thing to do but the Cards will do the old get a WR because we let our probowler leave with a pat on the back trick. Untill the Cards stop trying to replace players that leave with draft picks we will have nothing but a losing team for the next century. You draft for the future not for the now.

But it isn't a lock that McGahee will ever be even half the player he was. Hell even fully healthy, it's not like he is a lock to be a great player.

 

[JeffGollin]

If the Cards get 2 1st Rd or 2 2nd Rd picks they will spend them on DE, DT, and WR. RB is last on the list. If, in RD 7 Mcgahee is around then they might take him.
Listen to what Mac and Rod had to say about McGahey (More important, listen to the "body language").

Graves pointed out that each team has to ask itself: "Where in the draft are you willing to take the risk?

Mac then jumped in speaking more in terms of "when than "if." (i.e. he praised McGahey's rehabbing effort and character to this point and said that McGahey - "when" he was healthy" - would be an outstanding running back in the NFL" and also referred to "when" he plays next season.

I had the feeling that - if it was Mac's decision, the Cards would assume the risk of signing McGahey at a higher point in the draft than would Rod.

Personally, I think drafting him at #37 would be too risky, but would take a flyer on him at #70. But where it might get interesting is if the Cards added an extra second or third round pick by trading down a couple of pegs in the 1st round. I still wouldn't pick McGahey as high as #37, but if we had an extra pick around #50, I might consider it if two of our DE, CB and WR needs were satisfied.

Regarding trading down from #6 - from what Graves said - I get the feeling the Cards would be much more inclined to move down a couple of pegs (where they could be guaranteed one of the top 8 - 10 players on their board) and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick than they would deal further down in order to wind up with two 1st rounders.

I also suspect they'll keep the #6 pick if Suggs, Rogers, A Johnson and maybe Newman are there. Ootherwise they'll try to trade down no further than where they can still get either Kennedy, Robertson, Kevin Williams or Trufant.

 

[BW52]

Two words-Not needed.Why waste the pick?

 

[SECTION 11]

If we trade down, I'd go for Bailey, Faine, and McGahee with the first three.

Atheletes, Atheletes, Atheletes.
I'm never advocating drafting for need ever again.

Well, Faine's a need, but that's different. Sort of.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
If we trade down, I'd go for Bailey, Faine, and McGahee with the first three.

Atheletes, Atheletes, Atheletes.
I'm never advocating drafting for need ever again.

Well, Faine's a need, but that's different. Sort of.

I am sorry, but drafting Bailey in round one for us would be downright stupid. Anyone who has watched him play, will tell you that he is not a good player, only a great athlete. As a player, he is like a round 4 guy as far as production and his impact on a game. As an athlete he is a top 3 pick imo.

It is better to draft good football players than good athletes.

Faine fits the profile of a good football player.

 

[Snakester]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But it isn't a lock that McGahee will ever be even half the player he was. Hell even fully healthy, it's not like he is a lock to be a great player.

I agree he is not a lock to be great but he was a top five draft pick before the injury. It's the kind of pick that could really be a steal in the second or third round if it works out. I remember when we had Garrison Hearst and Buddy Ryan didn't want to wait for him to fully recover and released him. I just think that McGahee could have the time to recover without being pressed into action right away because we already have Emmitt and Shipp. I also like Kelly Washington in the second round as the same type of pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Snakester
I agree he is not a lock to be great but he was a top five draft pick before the injury. It's the kind of pick that could really be a steal in the second or third round if it works out. I remember when we had Garrison Hearst and Buddy Ryan didn't want to wait for him to fully recover and released him. I just think that McGahee could have the time to recover without being pressed into action right away because we already have Emmitt and Shipp. I also like Kelly Washington in the second round as the same type of pick.

Buddy didn't release Hearst, Tobin did, because of the cap situation he inherited from Buddy.

Buddy did not like Hearst at first he thought he took too long to rehab from his knee injury, but he didn't cut him.

McGahee was special before the injury, probably the closest thing to a lock in this draft before the injury.

 

[Cardiac]

Maybe the biggest concern about drafting McGahee is

that he has stated that if he isn't picked in the top 2 rds this year he will sit out and re-enter next years draft. So if he is willing to do this he may be willing to sit out this year if he doesn't like the team that drafts him in the 2nd rd.

So now we have a player who may not come back completely from his injury and may not want to sign with the Cards even if taken in rd 2. Too many "ifs" for me at a position that isn't a need.

If the Cards had signed some pass rushers in FA and had better depth at CB and didn't have a reputation as a team that players try to avoid then a flyer on McGahee would be in order. I guess I should have mentioned the needs at WR and DT as well.

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Maybe the biggest concern about drafting McGahee is

Originally posted by Cardiac
that he has stated that if he isn't picked in the top 2 rds this year he will sit out and re-enter next years draft. So if he is willing to do this he may be willing to sit out this year if he doesn't like the team that drafts him in the 2nd rd.

So now we have a player who may not come back completely from his injury and may not want to sign with the Cards even if taken in rd 2. Too many "ifs" for me at a position that isn't a need.

If the Cards had signed some pass rushers in FA and had better depth at CB and didn't have a reputation as a team that players try to avoid then a flyer on McGahee would be in order. I guess I should have mentioned the needs at WR and DT as well.

I hadn't heard that. In some ways it might work though, you draft him in round 2, he holds out so you can use some of his rookie pool money to pay the first rounder who will inevitably be unsigned. McGahee continues to rehab and if/when it becomes clear he's healthy if he still doesn't want to sign with YOU, you then trade him where he wants to sign and if he's healthy, you can probably get a #1 pick for him.

But it does of course mean no 2nd round player this year(we of course always do so well in that round...not), and if he doesn't get healthy, we're out a 2nd rounder because we won't be able to trade him.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Faine fits the profile of a good football player.

If Jeff Faine played any other position, other than Guard, as well as he does Center he would be the #1 pick in the draft this year.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

McGahee said last week on the Jim Rome show... "Any team that passes on me will be sorry"

Jim then asked if he was thinkign about sitting out this year and rentering next year...

"I will play for whatever team drafts me" Is what Willis had to say. Don't count on him sitting out the season.