With a 5th BCS team, who gets in?

[boisesuns]

A smaller conference team has a shot this year to get in the BCS. While it's not likley given some strength of schedules, there is a chance it could happen.

Boise State, Utah, and TCU are teams that might get in if they go undefeated.

Boise has Oregon state at home this year as it's toughest game. I think they have a shot.

 

[spikecop02]

Oregon State's football team hasent been that great , including a lost to U of A at last year. Boise State has a great shot at it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Boise State is a one-dimensional team in the mold of Texas Tech, UCLA, or ASU except the Broncos have inferior athletes, fewer playmakers, a much easier schedule, and get whalloped every time they play a decent opponent on the road. If they get into a BCS bowl ahead of a 10-2 team that actually has to play somebody every week (such as the three previously mentioned power conference programs) the BCS will become even more of a fraud that it currently is.

Even Arizona, Baylor, Illinois, and other such horrible BCS conference teams would win at least eight games a season playing in the WAC.

 

[boisesuns]

Boise State is a one-dimensional team in the mold of Texas Tech, UCLA, or ASU except the Broncos have inferior athletes, fewer playmakers, a much easier schedule, and get whalloped every time they play a decent opponent on the road. If they get into a BCS bowl ahead of a 10-2 team that actually has to play somebody every week (such as the three previously mentioned power conference programs) the BCS will become even more of a fraud that it currently is.

Even Arizona, Baylor, Illinois, and other such horrible BCS conference teams would win at least eight games a season playing in the WAC.

It definalty makes it tough being in the Wac to get respect and to play better teams. BSU has won their conference 4 straigh years, and they are looking to move up. I think then they will get some respect and a tougher schedule.

The BCS won't let them in if they go 10-2. If they go undefeated, they have a shot at getting in, even with their schedule. If they win all their games, that's all they can do, and deserve to have a shot in a system that makes it nearly impossible for a smaller team to even have a shot.

Boise is not really a one dementional team. You think any BCS teams want to come to Boise and play a game?

We need to step up on the road against some other bigger teams. We are doing much better with recruiting and it's paying off. We win all the games we should and tend to have a tougher time winning games that we are "Underdogs" as we should.

 

[AZBALLER]

ua had their chance in the WAC, and basically have zero to show for it...The only team on your list with a chance of winning 8 games with a WAC schedule would be Baylor(and that'd take some huge luck).

 

[AZBALLER]

Boise State is a one-dimensional team in the mold of Texas Tech, UCLA, or ASU except the Broncos have inferior athletes, fewer playmakers, a much easier schedule, and get whalloped every time they play a decent opponent on the road.

Do you look at stats or watch games, or do you just believe what ESPN tells you?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

ua had their chance in the WAC, and basically have zero to show for it...The only team on your list with a chance of winning 8 games with a WAC schedule would be Baylor(and that'd take some huge luck).

Arizona hasn't played a WAC team in a few years, but when they did last they beat Idaho with Mackovic at the helm. They have been playing the better (relatively speaking) MWC teams during their past five years of horrible ball and consistently hung around or beat them, which leads me to believe they'd do fine within that conference which happens to be much superior to the WAC.

And since you're supposedly a stat guy, even over the last five years when Arizona has been at their worst they still have had managed to get twice as many players drafted as every WAC team other than Hawaii and Fresno State. Good lord, you must not think much of USC, Cal, Oregon, ASU, and UCLA to think that if they were replaced by San Jose St, Utah State, Hawaii, Idaho, and Lousiana Tech almost any BCS team would not win at least four of those games. Or you're just disagreeing just for the sake of it which is more likely.

Do you look at stats or watch games, or do you just believe what ESPN tells you?

What stats would those be? As far as those teams being one-dimensional, while BSU, ASU, and UCLA were all top 15 nationally in offense they happened to land in 53rd, 88th, and 113th respectively in defense? Stats prove one-dimensionality there.

The inferior athlete and fewer playmakers gets proven when looking at the limited amount of Boise State and WAC players that have been drafted over the years, a number that UCLA, ASU, and Tech dwarf with all the players they have had going pro.

The strength of schedule is pretty obvious just by looking at whch teams each of the mentioned squads play every year, but I'm sure I could find a statistic that bears this out if I wanted to scour the Intenet.

 

[AZBALLER]

Actually, I was just pointing out the fact that UA was in the WAC, and they weren't consistent 8 game winners...UA's last strait up conference championship was before they even joined the WAC, so I'm not quite sure why you would criticize WAC football programs, when UA couldn't win a WAC championship?

I'd also argue that UA hasn't been at their worst over these past 5 years, and it is pretty sad that you're proud that UA has had more players drafted than all WAC teams except for Hawaii and Fresno St...

 

[boisesuns]

It's true U of A does have more NFL athletes. If BSU was a Pac 10 school (Not saying they should be) then they would have better recruits, but they seem to be recruiting better each year and are on the verge of outgrowing their conference-with these "inferior recruits"

As far as common opponents with U of A, it's only been Oregon State the last few years.

In 2004, U of A lost to Oregon State at home 14-28
In 2005, U of A won at Oregon State by 2, 29-27

In 2004, Boise beat Oregon State at home 53-34 (Went undefeated and lost to Louisville in a Bowl Game)
In 2005, Boise lost at Oregon state 30-27

Both teams went 1-1.

I think U of A showed some good signs last year, and it will be interesting to see how their season plays out. They've got a tough schedule.

BTW Mao, did you get your name from a former University of Idaho player named Mao Tosi? I remember seeing him play a few times

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'd also argue that UA hasn't been at their worst over these past 5 years, and it is pretty sad that you're proud that UA has had more players drafted than all WAC teams except for Hawaii and Fresno St...

Certainly not bragging or am proud about it (how many times have I criticized Arizona on this thread?), only using that to illustrate that even the worst BCS teams get more players into the NFL than most modern WAC teams.

And your other point has no merit not only because it was 30 years ago but also because the WAC during Arizona and ASU's tenure there was much different than it is now. The WAC's best athletic departments fled to start the MWC (BYU, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado State) leaving the WAC as the little brother to both the Pac-10 and the MWC in West Coast athletic conference pecking order. In fact, there are no teams currently in the WAC that were there during ASU and UA's time in that conference.

My point was never to make this a Boise State vs. Arizona thing as the Broncos (and Fresno State) have clearly been superior over the past few years. But Arizona and nearly every other BCS team would still win at least eight games in that conference, because after FSU and BSU there is absolutely nobody there. If the Pac takes on two MWC teams as it has been rumored to be trying to do, I can see Boise and Fresno making the jump over to the MWC but they will never make the jump to the Pac unless they stop taking in partial qualifiers or provide a bigger TV market.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Actually, I was just pointing out the fact that UA was in the WAC, and they weren't consistent 8 game winners...UA's last strait up conference championship was before they even joined the WAC, so I'm not quite sure why you would criticize WAC football programs, when UA couldn't win a WAC championship?

I'd also argue that UA hasn't been at their worst over these past 5 years, and it is pretty sad that you're proud that UA has had more players drafted than all WAC teams except for Hawaii and Fresno St...

UA would win 7-8 games in the current WAC. Heck, maybe ASU would actually win 9-10 games once in awhile if they went back to the WAC. We sure aren't consistently competing in the Pac-10, like we should be.

 

[AZBALLER]

How could UA win 7-8 current games being in the WAC? Would they play a schedule of NAU, GCC, MCC, and then the rest of the WAC? (there was a little unnecessay sarcasm in there

They'd be lucky to be the 3rd best team in the conference, and that used to be about as high as they set their goals, when they were in the WAC.

Mark my words NEZ, ASU with their bowl game will win a minimum of 9 games with a Pac schedule, not a WAC schedule.

*Furthermore point: I think that ua is improving, but they aren't close to being there yet. If Tui Heisman gets hurt this season, then could you see them winning more than 3-4 games?

Now if ASU's starting QB got hurt, do you think there would be any drop off?