Would you trade Marion and/or Marbury for KG?

[Yuma]

Or Marion and whoever else? I only bring this up because Kevin Garnett (SP) is a supposedly being shopped around. The team currently in the front running is Chicago. Assuming Minnesota wants to clear cap space as soon as possible, which they are trying to do, we may even be able to move Googs in the deal. I was just wondering what you guys think of KG. I think he is better than Marion right now. I could see Minnesota getting exited about moving KG if they could get a Marion in return. If we get KG, Marion would be overkill at the SF position. Of course we would have to throw in some guys of decent value for them to pick us over another team. I would possibly say we only keep Marbury and Stoudamire off the table. However, it may take one of those guys to get the deal done. If it was my choice it would be Marbury.

 

[Chaplin]

I would give Minne Marion and Googs in a freaking heartbeat! But it'll never happen. Never, ever, ever, ever!

 

[elindholm]

I don't think Garnett is really an asset to a cost-conscious team, because of his contract. Even if, for some unfathomable reason, Minnesota accepted Marion and Gugliotta back in a trade, the Suns would be financially crippled. As it is, they will get crushed by the luxury tax next season; add Garnett to the mix, and the options are

1. Get crushed by the luxury tax forever.
2. Hope to resign Garnett to a more affordable deal, which is unlikely and will alienate him anyway.
3. Let Garnett walk when his current deal is up, which would make no sense.
4. Let either Marbury or Stoudemire go when their contracts come up.

None of those options is appealing. The Suns cannot afford to be interested in Garnett.

 

[slinslin]

Marbury and Marion would be a tough tough decision.

I doubt the Suns would be much better with Garnett instead of those 2.

 

[Stronso]

No, no absolutely not no. I would not give up Marbs and Marion for anyone except Shaq.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Stronso
No, no absolutely not no. I would not give up Marbs and Marion for anyone except Shaq.

not even him imo

 

[fordronken]

Although a Marbury, Marion, Kobe lineup would be pretty scary.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

well your trade isnt even possible.....

Marion makes 10 mil next year, and googs like 11 I think. Garnett makes 28. 10 +11 = 21 which does not equal 24 (85% of 28).

Not to mention Marion is a BYC player next year so his salary only counts as 5 million. 5 + 11 = 16 which does not equal 28.

From a philosophical standpoint, if you are suggesting googs and marion for garnett, of course you do it talent wise. You do not do it if you ever want to sign another player.

Marion and Marbury for Garnett you never do.

The reason why Chicago and Indy are the media's possibilities is because they have at least 1 max contract they can move (Jalen Rose for ex.) plus a LOT of young talent to help Minny rebuild. Trading garnet would be a very tough sell to the Minny fans, so they would need more than 2 all stars back, they need draft picks and a lot of young talent.

 

[Yuma]

I was assuming you always have the throw in guys to make the deal work, but everyone just mentions the big names in the trade, which was what I was doing. I was looking for more of a philosophical angle on this. I guess next time I could run the numbers on the trade with other players involved, I just assumed we all knew it was going to take multiple players. I just wanted to know which big names would you trade to make the deal work for Minnesota. Or if our guys are too good to make that trade.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I figured you knew it wouldnt work, but the problem with this team is we really dont have filler for big trades. Most of our players are in rookie contracts, which dont make up much. Bo is really our main "filler" in a trade with that large of a salary gap. I mean we are talking about an 8 - 10 million dollar variance.

It doesnt have to do with our guys being to good, but more of what effect it would have on the team. If we included Marbury, then we would have no PG. Penny wouldnt not be nearly as effective, and JJ is to young. If it was Marion and Googs like you said, then we would have to forfeit like 6 guys to get Garnett becuase of the cap. Our team might actually be worse off, because we would have like 3 alton fords and 3 dan langhis on our bench


Financially speaking, Eric hit it straight on.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If I could find a way to get a core of Marbs, Amare, and KG, I would certainly consider it.

I am trying to look at this from Minny's perspective. Isn't KG a FA soon, or does he have an option or something?

Minny woulde want multiple players, plus picks, plus cap flexibility. Googs would have to be part of any deal because he provides the cap flexibility.

The young players that would have to be considered to be part of the package would be Marion, JJ, Little Jake, and maybe Big Jake. Not all of them mind you but at least 2. Then it would probably take at least 2 1st round picks.

Bo would have to be thrown in most likely to make the deal work.

We have a pretty good team going right now, with some decent chemistry. A trade for KG would mean blowing it up to build around a Marbs, Stouds, KG core.

Its tempting.

 

[Joe Mama]

Chicago can probably offer a better package than any team in the NBA.

Joe Mama

 

[NDSunsfan]

doesn't minnesota have terrell brandon for something like 8+ million per year with essentially no chance of him ever playing again? On sports radio out of mpls, they talk about finding a team that would trade for him just to clear up cap space when his contract is up (1 or 2 years). We always talk about how no team will take googs or penny because of their $$$, I would think brandon is WAY worse because he'll never play again the way it sounds. besides kg, the 2 biggest salaries on the wolves right now are brandon and joe smith. nice work, mchale....


to answer the question of the thread: as long as the suns keep marbury and amare, i'd do anything else to get kg. imo, marbury and amare have to be untouchable.


Brad

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Brandon is retiring, and his contract comes off the books in february. Not only does the team with his rights get a disabled player exception of like 5 million, but they also get 10 mil removed from their cap for the summer of 2004 when kobe, tmac and garnett will be potential FA (they have opt out clauses).

If someone were to take penny, he would remain on the cap for another 3 years. Googs will be very tradeable this season, however I see the suns using the cap relief for themselves.

Possible people Minny could get that have been reported across the web (therfor have little validity):

Eddie Jones
Brian Grant
Jalen Rose
Latrell Spreewell

There are probably a couple of others I am forgetting about

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by elindholm
I don't think Garnett is really an asset to a cost-conscious team, because of his contract. Even if, for some unfathomable reason, Minnesota accepted Marion and Gugliotta back in a trade, the Suns would be financially crippled. As it is, they will get crushed by the luxury tax next season; add Garnett to the mix, and the options are

1. Get crushed by the luxury tax forever.
2. Hope to resign Garnett to a more affordable deal, which is unlikely and will alienate him anyway.
3. Let Garnett walk when his current deal is up, which would make no sense.
4. Let either Marbury or Stoudemire go when their contracts come up.

None of those options is appealing. The Suns cannot afford to be interested in Garnett.

According to RealGM, Garnett only has 1 year remaining on his contract. Cap could probably explain this (because I am probably wrong), but I believe that Kevin's new contract will be considerably less than his old one because of the new CBA.

Lets say KG is making $25 million this year (03-04). Next year (04-05) he would be a max player at what, $12 million. So you could resign him, and conceivably have space to sign another FA?

Would Garnett and Marbs want to play together again? Seems like there is bad blood there.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Garnetts contract was signed before the new CBA, therefor any extension is grandfathered claused to the old agreement. Garnett is eligible to start making 30million with like a 12% raise each year. He could get a 200 million dollar contract if someone would pay it. Garnett is willing to take a pay cut if and only if he is positive that the wolves would add talent with the money they save. I think I read he would go back down to a 15-20 million or so.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Garnett is willing to take a pay cut if and only if he is positive that the wolves would add talent with the money they save. I think I read he would go back down to a 15-20 million or so.

What a guy...