WR receiver update...from jurecki and lewis..

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obviously the top 3 (boldin, johnson and fitz)...4th guy is Williams. Then the speculation: 5th: Poole. 6th: Newhouse or Kasper. They thought we would keep at least 6 due to boldin injury... I thought Jurecki was implying Kasper might be the odd guy out....but that they may keep him if only for the fact that he has a little more value on special teams (although they do not like how he turns his body around when he is about to get hit on kickoff returns- and Newhouse has not been that impressive on his special team tries) and Newhouse has the practice squad option. They though if they went with Kasper - newhouse and Hamilton might both be on the PS....if they clear waivers (probably will).

Kind of news to me - I thought Kasper was 5th and was tied with or ahead of Poole....but they are speculating that he is not....

Just repeating what I thought I heard...
 

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Kasper and Poole will make this team. newhouse will go to the practice squad.

So let it be written, So let it be done!
 

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yeah I think at least six.. I still say 7 including boldin. that way if he does not come back, we can still have some on the active roster
 

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Another good discussion thread.

I thought Kasper was the only WR playing the slot WR other than Fitz. If Newhouse can play the slot, Kasper may be in jeopardy. But if no one other than Kasper knows the slot plays, then he's a lock and Poole or Newhouse is toast.
 

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Here is the lastest depth chart off the Official Cardinal site

ARIZONA CARDINALS 2004 DEPTH CHART​
OFFENSE​


X-WR 86 Karl Williams 84 Lawrence Hamilton (81 Anquan Boldin)​


LT 75 Leonard Davis (70 L.J. Shelton)

LG 74 Reggie Wells 68 Tony Wragge 64 Steven Grace​

C 71 Alex Stepanovich 63 Frank Garcia 60 Nick Leckey​

RG 76 Cameron Spikes 61 Everett Lindsay 69 Rolando Cantu​

RT 65 Anthony Clement 73 Raleigh Roundtree​

TE 85 Freddie Jones 49 Lorenzo Diamond 43 Eric Edwards​

Z-WR (83 Bryant Johnson) 14 Reggie Newhouse​

H-WR (11 Larry Fitzgerald) 82 Kevin Kasper 89 Nathan Poole​

QB 12 Josh McCown 4 Shaun King 16 John Navarre​

RB 22 Emmitt Smith 33 Josh Scobey 20 Damien Anderson 32 Larry Croom (31 Marcel Shipp)​

FB 30 Obafemi Ayanbadejo 46 Joshua Rue (42 James Hodgins)​

 
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If you go off the current depth chart it looks like Poole and Kasper are fighting for that last spot to backup fitz.

If that's the case then I think Poole wins the spot.

I could also see Kasper moving to backup Johnson and replacing Newhouse as the backup there.

It should be interesting to see what Green does.
 
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MadCardDisease said:
If you go off the current depth chart it looks like Poole and Kasper are fighting for that last spot.

Tough choice. A case can be made for either. We'll know sooner than later. duh. Did I just write that? I meant I think we'll know some cuts today and the rest tomorrow. Won't have to wait for Sunday.
 

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Skkorpion said:
Tough choice. A case can be made for either. We'll know sooner than later. duh. Did I just write that? I meant I think we'll know some cuts today and the rest tomorrow. Won't have to wait for Sunday.

I have no problem with Newhouse making the team over either one. If I HAD to pick between Kasper and Poole, I'd pick Poole. However, Poole and Newhouse do squat on special teams and it's almost unheard of for the 5th and 6th WRs to not be on special teams. If this is the case, we're going to keep a good special teams player over someone who's better at the position. This means LB or RB IMO, will have a surprise cut.
 

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I am most interested to see how the depth chart at RB plays out. I think that without a doubt Hambrick will be #2 atleast and Scobey has played well on Special teams. Cason is an interesting player, had a good YPC last year and is a small speed guy different from the others we have, but will he have enough time to show anything? I like Croom alot, probably a practice squad guy. Anderson is still a decent back. I dont know what the heck will happen I am eager to see.
 

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:shrug: I figured Kasper was pretty much a for sure lock to make the team. Last week against Oakland, Kasper had 4 catches for 52 yard he only played the 1st half rotating in and out w/ Hamilton. Against Denver Kasper only played WR for the 1st quarter and one or two plays in the second. He had two balls thrown to him and caught both of them, one a 26 yarder that moved us into FG range.

Newhouse, Poole, and Hamilton have been playing the entire 2nd halves against backup, backup, backup dbs. Great, Newhouse has had some nice plays but to tell the truth, he hasn't even been up against many 2nd teamers out there. He has been making plays against teams 3rd and 4th teamers.

Much is the same for Poole. He has been pretty much nonexistent until the the 2nd half. Oh wait, he did catch a short pass in the 1st half yesterday and then he fumbled the ball and Kasper recovered it. Poole then went on to drop an easy ball, drop a tougher ball and make a 26 yard grab against some 3rd/4th string DB.

This doesn't make much sense to me. If they let Kasper go up against these dbs late in the games he would be killing them as well. Instead he has been starting and making some big plays, and then has been taken out of the game early to let poole, newhouse, and that guy who seems to drop every ball thrown to him Hamilton play.

I remember Kasper making some plays late in preseason games last year (specifically a long reverse for a TD) and people were brushing his play off due to the fact that he was not playing against first teamers out there. Why are we not hearing any of this about Poole, or Newhouse? :shrug:
 

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If there's one immediate improvement the cards have made this year, it's in excitement. Denny really knows how to stir the pot. None of us really know who makes the team and who doesn't this year, and Denny brought some guys in 2 days ago that may now be cut. Awesome :) I love seeing a coach that will do whatever it takes to see if someone out there can play for his team, even if that only means a quick look.
 

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Well Karl Williams was originally supposed to be Johnson's backup and he changed positions when Boldin went down. Maybe Green will move Kasper to backup Johnson now.
 

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I love Karl Williams. I remember when we first signed him and some on this board were all upset saying it was a waste and that he is old and no good. He looks good to me returning punts and Quan doesn't have to be back there. This was one of our better FA pick ups IMO.
 

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binkar said:
I love Karl Williams. I remember when we first signed him and some on this board were all upset saying it was a waste and that he is old and no good. He looks good to me returning punts and Quan doesn't have to be back there. This was one of our better FA pick ups IMO.

I still hate him from that game years ago when he caught a big TD pass against us on 3rd and long to win the game.

What year was that?
 

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binkar said:
I love Karl Williams. I remember when we first signed him and some on this board were all upset saying it was a waste and that he is old and no good. He looks good to me returning punts and Quan doesn't have to be back there. This was one of our better FA pick ups IMO.


Its a good pick up I agree, but I dont like him as the Cards #3 receiver. I think that job is Poole's. But thats just me!
 

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Kasper, Newhouse and Poole have all had their moments this preseason, and have made enough plays to make Dennis Green's decision on who to keep a hard one. All play hard, all have good hands, all have developed some rapport with one or more of the QBs. Two elements stand out for me, though:

  • You can't coach speed. Kasper's not the fastest guy on this team, but he's not far behind. And he could beat Newhouse or Poole in the 40 running backwards. (Well, maybe not. But you get my point. Their recorded 40 times aren't even close.)
  • Backups gotta play special teams. And neither Poole nor Newhouse has particularly distinguished himself on ST, while Kasper has held down the starting KR job for three different teams. Having him as an alternate to Scobey--assuming Scooby-Doo makes the cut--wouldn't be a bad thing.
I think the dogfight's between Poole and Newhouse. Really, they're almost the same player. One stays, one goes (on the practice squad, hopefully). :thumbup:

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Russ Smith said:
I still hate him from that game years ago when he caught a big TD pass against us on 3rd and long to win the game.

What year was that?

it was 4th and long - it was against Aeneas - the score was 20-19 (or 19-18) and it was 1997 - Kevin Butler didn't come close on the field goal to win it with no time left and once again we lost a game in the last minute (seemed like that happened 7 times to start that season.)
 

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it was 4th and long - it was against Aeneas - the score was 20-19 (or 19-18) and it was 1997 - Kevin Butler didn't come close on the field goal to win it with no time left and once again we lost a game in the last minute (seemed like that happened 7 times to start that season.)

Thanks.

Was that the same year Brad Johnson beat us with that long throw over the middle to a TE on 3rd and long, or was that 98?
 

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Russ Smith said:
Thanks.

Was that the same year Brad Johnson beat us with that long throw over the middle to a TE on 3rd and long, or was that 98?

Yeah, that was 97. That was the year when the first game in Cincy Centers has enough yards on a run for a first down that would've clinched the game. He tries to get a little extra, fumbles, and the Bengals drive 70 yards in less than a minute for a TD to win the game.

What a season that was for agony, even by Cardinals standards.
 

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I guess that DG was more impressed by Poole's 3 catch, 2 drop, and 1 fumble inside the 10 performance last night than I was.
 

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Williams, Kasper, Newhouse, Poole, ?. Even without Bolden, I don't think any of these guys will do much at wr. If one of them can make the occasional play, its gravy. I don't see more than 5 catches/game by any combination of them put together.
 

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marshallrider said:
:shrug: I figured Kasper was pretty much a for sure lock to make the team. Last week against Oakland, Kasper had 4 catches for 52 yard he only played the 1st half rotating in and out w/ Hamilton. Against Denver Kasper only played WR for the 1st quarter and one or two plays in the second. He had two balls thrown to him and caught both of them, one a 26 yarder that moved us into FG range.

Newhouse, Poole, and Hamilton have been playing the entire 2nd halves against backup, backup, backup dbs. Great, Newhouse has had some nice plays but to tell the truth, he hasn't even been up against many 2nd teamers out there. He has been making plays against teams 3rd and 4th teamers.

Much is the same for Poole. He has been pretty much nonexistent until the the 2nd half. Oh wait, he did catch a short pass in the 1st half yesterday and then he fumbled the ball and Kasper recovered it. Poole then went on to drop an easy ball, drop a tougher ball and make a 26 yard grab against some 3rd/4th string DB.

This doesn't make much sense to me. If they let Kasper go up against these dbs late in the games he would be killing them as well. Instead he has been starting and making some big plays, and then has been taken out of the game early to let poole, newhouse, and that guy who seems to drop every ball thrown to him Hamilton play.

I remember Kasper making some plays late in preseason games last year (specifically a long reverse for a TD) and people were brushing his play off due to the fact that he was not playing against first teamers out there. Why are we not hearing any of this about Poole, or Newhouse? :shrug:

I think Marshall is on to something here. By the looks of it, I would say that the competetion right now, is between Poole, and Newhose. With the edge going to Newhouse.
 

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Both Kasper and Poole should make the team based on ability and production, BUT I'm worried about our back-up WRs' speed. If both Kasper and Poole makes the team as expected, then Johnson is the only "speed WR" on the roster. Is that enough?
 
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following is quote from darren urbane - Cardinals beat writer for the Tribune - in todays paper:

"While talking about Larry Fitzgerald and Bryant Johnson, Green mentioned having five receivers plus the injured Anquan Boldin. Karl Williams is already a lock and Nate Poole seems to have played his way into a spot, so the final hole will likely be between Kevin Kasper and Reggie Newhouse. "

So...he is essentially saying the same thing Jurecki said on the radio. Three media members follow the Cardinals daily: jurecki, somers and Urbane...two of the three have said (or implied) that Poole is in and final spot will between Newhouse and Kasper...
 

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Kevin Kasper: 4.44 forty yard dash, 43 1/2 vertical, 3.75 in 5/10/5, 6.56 in 3 cone drill, 10.43 in the 60 yard shuttle.

Reggie Newhouse: He ran 4.53 and 4.60 on Tartan turf. He ran the short shuttle in 4.50 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.35. His vertical jump was 33½ inches and his broad jump was 10-2.
 

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