Whiz

[perivolaki]

I haven't seen this posted anywhere so I guess I'll be the one.

Bickley and MJ had Coach Whiz on yesterday and he had some interesting things to say about the draft.

They asked if there was a franchise quarterback in this draft. Whiz said he didn't think so although he'd been wrong before. He felt there were guys that could be good players down the line but he didn't see anyone like a Sam Bradford in this years class that could make an immediate impact. He did say there were QBs who were impressive from an athletic standpoint.

When asked what they were looking for at #5 he said that they were looking for a guy who could come in and play right away and make an immediate impact, a difference maker, and a play maker. He felt there were several players worthy of the #5 pick and that they would have an opportunity to select one at #5.

After the interview MJ felt from Coaches comments that he kind of ruled out a quarterback because he wanted an immediate difference maker and he indicated he didn't see such a guy in this years class.

I listened to the interview and I came away feeling the same way FWIW.

 

[TigToad]

Considering how much deception there is in the NFL this time of year, this could also mean that he's desperately hoping a QB will slide to him.

 

[perivolaki]

Considering how much deception there is in the NFL this time of year, this could also mean that he's desperately hoping a QB will slide to him.

That could be but listening to the interview Whiz seemed to answer the questions in a manner that made me feel that he was expressing his true feelings.

I've heard Whiz hesitate and kind of hedge his answer when he is not wanting to let his true feelings be known.

In this case he answered the question so easily and fluidly that it sure seemed like he didn't evan have to think about it, he was expressing what he felt imho.

 

[Jersey Girl]

There's no hiding we desperately need a QB that can make an immediate difference on this team. I don't think there's a QB that fits the bill at pick #5.

I have not always had this opinion, but, this year, I say take the best player on the board at the five pick. And I say that will NOT be a QB.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Thats interesting. I would almost say this just about guarentees that Cards will not take a QB because if they did take one, then these comments would come back to him..

ofcourse you just never really know...

 

[Dayman]

Both Urban and Somers have said the same thing about drafting a QB in the first round. Urban had the Cards taking Peterson in an interactive mock draft with Gabbert still on the board.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/03/28/mockingly-a-vote-for-peterson/

I still don't believe anything that anyone is saying. With the lockout, draft coverage has been twice as over the top as usual this year. Who knows what people will be saying in four weeks, including Whis.

 

[Stout]

I believe him 100 percent, because it is glaringly obvious that we will not take a QB in the first round anyway. He's just stating the obvious.

Now, if the CBA is signed before the draft, that could change the equation. If the CBA isn't signed by draft day, we will not take a QB at #5. Bank on it. This is Stout's Lock of the Draft #1.

 

[Big Deal]

This could also point back to the Kolb rumors. He is certainly someone who come come in and start day one, so in his mind is Kolb worth the 5th pick?

 

[kerouac9]

I believe him 100 percent, because it is glaringly obvious that we will not take a QB in the first round anyway. He's just stating the obvious.

Now, if the CBA is signed before the draft, that could change the equation. If the CBA isn't signed by draft day, we will not take a QB at #5. Bank on it. This is Stout's Lock of the Draft #1.

Yup, if free agency follows the draft, there is zero chance we draft a QB #5, and probably little chance we draft one in the first three rounds. The company line is out: Why draft a developmental QB when you already have Skelton in the lineup?

If we draft a QB #5, then say goodbye to Bulger or Alex Smith or any QB with ability above Brodie Croyle. It'll be almost worse than last year.

 

[desertdawg]

Yup, if free agency follows the draft, there is zero chance we draft a QB #5, and probably little chance we draft one in the first three rounds. The company line is out: Why draft a developmental QB when you already have Skelton in the lineup?

If we draft a QB #5, then say goodbye to Bulger or Alex Smith or any QB with ability above Brodie Croyle. It'll be almost worse than last year.

I really don't want Bulger, Alex Smith would be a better fit with his age and not having to give up any picks for him. The lockout mumbo jumbo just makes all of this so jacked up.

If Whiz already knows who we are bringing in at QB, then it probably involves a proposed trade, because the Cards can still talk to other teams right? But FA's can't be contacted, that makes Smith more of a longshot because we can't wait all day.

Kolb, Bulger, maybe even Orton would be my guess. But I haven't been paying too much attention to the the NFL lately so I might be off some.

 

[kerouac9]

I really don't want Bulger, Alex Smith would be a better fit with his age and not having to give up any picks for him. The lockout mumbo jumbo just makes all of this so jacked up.

If Whiz already knows who we are bringing in at QB, then it probably involves a proposed trade, because the Cards can still talk to other teams right? But FA's can't be contacted, that makes Smith more of a longshot because we can't wait all day.

Kolb, Bulger, maybe even Orton would be my guess. But I haven't been paying too much attention to the the NFL lately so I might be off some.

I don't think he knows, any more than he knew he could get Butler in to be DC. I think that Whis expects to get Bulger in free agency; the door is open for him and all he has to do is come in. Whether or not Bulger decides to do that is an open question. I don't think that Whis has any interest in Alex Smith. In fact, I don't think that Whis has any interest in any free agent quarterback besides Marc Bulger.

It seems to me that Whis falls in love with individual players (like Levi Brown, like Daryl Washington, like Max Hall, like Joey Porter, etc.) and will do whatever it takes to go get them. I don't think the Cards are interested in Kolb, and I don't think that Orton is available.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't think he knows, any more than he knew he could get Butler in to be DC. I think that Whis expects to get Bulger in free agency; the door is open for him and all he has to do is come in. Whether or not Bulger decides to do that is an open question. I don't think that Whis has any interest in Alex Smith. In fact, I don't think that Whis has any interest in any free agent quarterback besides Marc Bulger.

It seems to me that Whis falls in love with individual players (like Levi Brown, like Daryl Washington, like Max Hall, like Joey Porter, etc.) and will do whatever it takes to go get them. I don't think the Cards are interested in Kolb, and I don't think that Orton is available.

That's cool, if Whiz really goes with Bulger, I could see Skelton getting a lot of starts this year. (because of Bulger's injuries or suckiness)

 

[kerouac9]

That's cool, if Whiz really goes with Bulger, I could see Skelton getting a lot of starts this year. (because of Bulger's injuries or suckiness)

IMO, if Whiz really goes with Bulger, we're looking at another 5-11 season (or worse) and Whis going into 2012 with a very hot seat.

 

[az jam]

I don't think they will take a qb at #5. However I do think that they will draft another qb on another round to compete with Skelton . They will get a veteran qb for sure. Could be a trade or signing a free agent. They won't give up the #5 pick in a trade for a qb but perhaps if they really like Kolb maybe the 2012 1st round pick. However I have a feeling that Bulger is the one they want.
But the bottom line is

 

[john h]

There's no hiding we desperately need a QB that can make an immediate difference on this team. I don't think there's a QB that fits the bill at pick #5.

I have not always had this opinion, but, this year, I say take the best player on the board at the five pick. And I say that will NOT be a QB.

So does this mean we will be in a position to draft a better QB next year? Will we be higher in the draft or lower? If you cannot find a decent QB at the #5 position what are the chances we will be in a better position to draft a better one next year. If we go with Skelton we might draft in the top 3. Without a QB who is a difference maker? how can you expect to have another position player who can improve your team by 2 or 3 games or get you into the playoffs. Can a Von Miller get you into the playoffs? Unless we come up with a QB one way or the other we are likely to finish last once again. We will also lose Fitz and likely Breaston.

 

[Zeno]

IMO, if Whiz really goes with Bulger, we're looking at another 5-11 season (or worse) and Whis going into 2012 with a very hot seat.

Agreed. He had his "pass" last season, another season equal to or worse does away with any cred he built up during our 2 playoff runs.

 

[Stout]

So does this mean we will be in a position to draft a better QB next year? Will we be higher in the draft or lower? If you cannot find a decent QB at the #5 position what are the chances we will be in a better position to draft a better one next year. If we go with Skelton we might draft in the top 3. Without a QB who is a difference maker? how can you expect to have another position player who can improve your team by 2 or 3 games or get you into the playoffs. Can a Von Miller get you into the playoffs? Unless we come up with a QB one way or the other we are likely to finish last once again. We will also lose Fitz and likely Breaston.

The problem is that drafting a QB this year, before the CBA is signed, would make us worse off than we were at QB for the coming season. No rookie is going to come in, without knowing the playbook, and without a single down of practice, and be any more than a scout QB for the entire season. That is the real risk you take this year if you draft him high.

If the CBA doesn't get signed before the draft, we have to take our chances on a vet. Even if the vet doesn't get signed in time to start, we have a guy with minimal starting experience in Skelton. Better IMO to roll with a guy that might just develop over the year and hope to add a solid vet QB to the mix than to waste a year's worth of contract playing time on a rookie QB.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I believe him 100 percent, because it is glaringly obvious that we will not take a QB in the first round anyway. He's just stating the obvious.

Now, if the CBA is signed before the draft, that could change the equation. If the CBA isn't signed by draft day, we will not take a QB at #5. Bank on it. This is Stout's Lock of the Draft #1.

What does signing a new CBA have to with the actual selection of a QB in this draft? It would seem that NOT having a new CBA is more likely to influence a decision to select a QB; possibly in the second round.

(My sneaking suspicion, for what it's worth, is that the Cards have offered their number #1 in 2012 to Philly for Kolb. It will be announced the day after the signing of the new CBA in July. And in the the third-person: This is CC's lock of the post draft!)

 

[Stout]

What does signing a new CBA have to with the actual selection of a QB in this draft? It would seem that NOT having a new CBA is more likely to influence a decision to select a QB; possibly in the second round.

(My sneaking suspicion, for what it's worth, is that the Cards have offered their number #1 in 2012 to Philly for Kolb. It will be announced the day after the signing of the new CBA in July. And in the the third-person: This is CC's lock of the post draft!)

Because of the possibility of not having any time to teach a rookie QB anything at all and wasting an entire year of contract service to a useless player.

Btw, you could very well be right about the Kolb trade.

 

[Bobcat]

There's no hiding we desperately need a QB that can make an immediate difference on this team. I don't think there's a QB that fits the bill at pick #5.

I have not always had this opinion, but, this year, I say take the best player on the board at the five pick. And I say that will NOT be a QB.

You are probably right no one is caring a BIBLE in his hand. The Guy from Arknasaw is probably the best, but he is "MATT L HEAVY...!!!"

 

[Dayman]

(My sneaking suspicion, for what it's worth, is that the Cards have offered their number #1 in 2012 to Philly for Kolb. It will be announced the day after the signing of the new CBA in July. And in the the third-person: This is CC's lock of the post draft!)

I thought the same thing until I read this:

Keep hearing that teams interested in kolb are not scared of draft choice compensation. They're scared of the contract kolb wants. 4:09 PM Mar 30th via twidroyd Retweeted by 24 people
SI_JimTrotter
Jim Trotter

Not a good sign for Cards fans who want Kolb.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't think he knows, any more than he knew he could get Butler in to be DC. I think that Whis expects to get Bulger in free agency; the door is open for him and all he has to do is come in. Whether or not Bulger decides to do that is an open question. I don't think that Whis has any interest in Alex Smith. In fact, I don't think that Whis has any interest in any free agent quarterback besides Marc Bulger.

It seems to me that Whis falls in love with individual players (like Levi Brown, like Daryl Washington, like Max Hall, like Joey Porter, etc.) and will do whatever it takes to go get them. I don't think the Cards are interested in Kolb, and I don't think that Orton is available.

LOL what are you basing any of the above on? Gut feeling?

I don't think you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat by saying the Cards will look at Bulger. But to say he doesn't have interest in Alex Smith or Kolb and Orton isn't available......again where is that coming from?

I am hoping we end up with Carson Palmer. I just do not get the infatuation with Bulger. You can live with Bulger with a stud running game and great defense.

We have neither.

Get the guy who will win you 2-3 games on his own. Of whats available I feel Palmer and Kolb most fit that mold.

 

[Matt L]

The problem is that drafting a QB this year, before the CBA is signed, would make us worse off than we were at QB for the coming season. No rookie is going to come in, without knowing the playbook, and without a single down of practice, and be any more than a scout QB for the entire season. That is the real risk you take this year if you draft him high.

If the CBA doesn't get signed before the draft, we have to take our chances on a vet. Even if the vet doesn't get signed in time to start, we have a guy with minimal starting experience in Skelton. Better IMO to roll with a guy that might just develop over the year and hope to add a solid vet QB to the mix than to waste a year's worth of contract playing time on a rookie QB.

Regardless of who we draft, the longer this lockout goes on, the more likely it is that we are drafting in the top five next season.

 

[BigRedRage]

i wouldnt trade our #1 for kolb for any reason whatsoever. Take defense high, draft a QB later to compete with skelton if one is good enough and sign orton, palmer, bulger, smith in that order.

The mention of a QB being worthless because of no workouts, practice or anything is something I never thought of and makes perfect sense. NO WAY do I draft a QB that early. D can step in much faster than a QB.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Because of the possibility of not having any time to teach a rookie QB anything at all and wasting an entire year of contract service to a useless player.

Btw, you could very well be right about the Kolb trade.

Just to add: Lombardi on the Nfl Network interprets Whiz's comments as a signal to the fanbase to not "freak out" if the team doesn't select a QB at #5, and that if they do... don't expect immediate returns.