Marcus Cooper (interest from Steelers and Jets)

[Brian in Mesa]

ESPN Jeremy Fowler reporting Steelers have been in contact with Cardinals DB Marcus Cooper (6-foot-2, 4 INTs in 2016). Jets reportedly interested.

 

[Bodha]

I think letting Cooper walk means we are targeting a CB at #13, which id be THRILLED by



or they are OK with Williams or Bethel at #2 CB which would be a trainwreck, again.

 

[BigRedRage]

Id like him back but only on the cheap. He is a OK guy to have in there if needed and a good backup to have for depth.

 

[unseenaz]

cooper started the season playing all-pro and just got worse as the year went on. by the end of the season he was pretty bad.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think letting Cooper walk means we are targeting a CB at #13, which id be THRILLED by



or they are OK with Williams or Bethel at #2 CB which would be a trainwreck, again.

Or the pool of talented sub-4.45 corners is so deep that BA&SK feel they can grab a couple in rounds 2 - 5.

 

[Bodha]

Or the pool of talented sub-4.45 corners is so deep that BA&SK feel they can grab a couple in rounds 2 - 5.

CBs fall off a cliff. Similar to QBs. If you want a good one, you take him round 1. Otherwise youre just wasting picks


and looking at mock drafts for the 17 draft, I think a CB will be the BPA at #13, so it works out perfectly

 

[b8rtm8nn]

CBs fall off a cliff. Similar to QBs. If you want a good one, you take him round 1. Otherwise youre just wasting picks


and looking at mock drafts for the 17 draft, I think a CB will be the BPA at #13, so it works out perfectly

I think that is actually inaccurate - there is a stat/article somewhere stating that DBs drafted late have a higher chance of developing into starters than most other positions. But if you need a year one starter, you may be correct.

 

[Bodha]

I think that is actually inaccurate - there is a stat/article somewhere stating that DBs drafted late have a higher chance of developing into starters than most other positions. But if you need a year one starter, you may be correct.

Theres alot of layers to this.

I think ultimately being a round 1 guy can hurt you because you are thrust into a starting role and have pressure to perform early. Whereas a late round guy can sit and learn.

Apples to apples, the round 1 guy is a better player with more talent, but his career can be sabotaged by the fact hes a young guy trying to learn a new game and isnt given the time he needs to learn. So if hes not instantly a superstar, then he gets cut in 3 years, goes to a new team where he then has to learn a new system, etc. That I understand. Being an early round guy is almost a burden.

But if we are speaking strictly "Who is the better player". Its the early round guys.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Theres alot of layers to this.

I think ultimately being a round 1 guy can hurt you because you are thrust into a starting role and have pressure to perform early. Whereas a late round guy can sit and learn.

Apples to apples, the round 1 guy is a better player with more talent, but his career can be sabotaged by the fact hes a young guy trying to learn a new game and isnt given the time he needs to learn. So if hes not instantly a superstar, then he gets cut in 3 years, goes to a new team where he then has to learn a new system, etc. That I understand. Being an early round guy is almost a burden.

But if we are speaking strictly "Who is the better player". Its the early round guys.

I love the way you just throw stuff up in the air and fly wherever it takes you, and speak in such absolutes.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think that is actually inaccurate - there is a stat/article somewhere stating that DBs drafted late have a higher chance of developing into starters than most other positions. But if you need a year one starter, you may be correct.

Yup...and just look at Tony Jefferson.

 

[JeffGollin]

CBs fall off a cliff. Similar to QBs. If you want a good one, you take him round 1. Otherwise youre just wasting picks


and looking at mock drafts for the 17 draft, I think a CB will be the BPA at #13, so it works out perfectly

This is a weird draft year for corners: (1) it's really deep in players with speed and good ball-skills. (2) unlike most drafts (which feature a couple of elite corners followed by a sharp drop-off to mere mortals), the talent pool of this crop consists of roughly 20+ quality corners (of all shapes & sizes) who are close together in ability.

This is different from the safety crop which appears to have 3 elite players before the talent drop-off (If a top safety is available at #13 & we want one, we'd better leap on him there).

We may arguably have a greater need at corner, but IMHO we can still get a keeper at #45, #77 or maybe even in the 4th round

 

[Bodha]

This is a weird draft year for corners: (1) it's really deep in players with speed and good ball-skills. (2) unlike most drafts (which feature a couple of elite corners followed by a sharp drop-off to mere mortals), the talent pool of this crop consists of roughly 20+ quality corners (of all shapes & sizes) who are close together in ability.

This is different from the safety crop which appears to have 3 elite players before the talent drop-off (If a top safety is available at #13 & we want one, we'd better leap on him there).

We may arguably have a greater need at corner, but IMHO we can still get a keeper at #45, #77 or maybe even in the 4th round

When it comes to skill positions (QB, CB, etc.) you get what you pay for. Why skimp? A 1st round CB means we have 2 lock downs CBs which also helps improve our pass rush (coverage sacks) with the loss of CC.

Can we take a 4th round CB and cross our fingers? Sure. But we've been doing that with QBs for awhile now, and we see how theyve turned out.

If theres a pro bowl guy at #13, take him. Regardless of position (RB being the exception for us). And I do believe CB will be the BPA at #13 regardless.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

The guy's tackling rivaled that of Antonio Cromartie... softer than a grape =(

Can't tell if he was just disinterested or preserving himself to not get injured (hence, some type of payday in FA).

 

[outcent13]

I am not personally a fan of cooper. He had some big plays but I felt like he gave up way more than he made. I would rather get someone like Nolan Carroll or Brandon Carr. Not sure if they are in the budget but if Amukamura only got a one year deal you could probably get one of these guys at a decent rate.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Still waiting for someone to explain how Cooper made probowl

 

[Mitch]

They might have selected Pro Bowl alternates by perusing the interceptions list in the NFC. That's the only thing I can think of, Ouchie.

 

[Chainthroer]

Bodha said: ↑
"CBs fall off a cliff. Similar to QBs. If you want a good one, you take him round 1. Otherwise youre just wasting picks".

I remember a guy named Aeneas Williams - 3rd round pick. But, yea there's more certainty in round 1 -
like Jalen Tabor, if he's there at #13. Lattimore would be nice, if he didn't have a history of hammy probs. One of five or six others should be there in the 2nd, with a slight drop off in the Third.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bodha said: ↑
"CBs fall off a cliff. Similar to QBs. If you want a good one, you take him round 1. Otherwise youre just wasting picks".

I remember a guy named Aeneas Williams - 3rd round pick. But, yea there's more certainty in round 1 -
like Jalen Tabor, if he's there at #13. Lattimore would be nice, if he didn't have a history of hammy probs. One of five or six others should be there in the 2nd, with a slight drop off in the Third.

Richard Sherman.

 

[juza76]

Norman

 

[splitsecond]

Still not a fan of Tabor. His combine performance was awful.

 

[overseascardfan]

Or the pool of talented sub-4.45 corners is so deep that BA&SK feel they can grab a couple in rounds 2 - 5.

You have to be careful with that logic. Williams ran a sub 4.4 last year and was hot garbage. You want a CB who is ready to start, not one who may pan out in a few years.