10 thoughts - Seahawks game

[602 Native]

Lol… it is pointless talking about this with you. Even knowing Kyler isn’t the answer you’re still clinging to him staying here even when it’s been shown multiple times in just the last couple years that moving on from Kyler’s kind of mediocrity doesn’t doom a franchise moving forward.

I am saying don’t get rid of K1 without a solid plan.

So far I haven’t heard a single solid plan to replace K1.

Fields, Tune, and just release him are what is being offered and totally unacceptable.

 

[602 Native]

And yet his last two teams were beyond mid with him behind center, dumped him and then immediately went to the playoffs.

And Wilson now?

 

[slanidrac16]

I am saying don’t get rid of K1 without a solid plan.

So far I haven’t heard a single solid plan to replace K1.

Fields, Tune, and just release him are what is being offered and totally unacceptable.

It will be interesting to see your thoughts if we ( Kyler) craps the bed these last four games.
He is a #1 draft pick playing like an average qb getting paid 45m(?) a year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And Wilson now?

Who cares? Both of his teams that dumped him are going to the playoffs. You do realize that, right? I’m gonna cap this to make sure you actually understand this for once.

BOTH TEAMS DUMPED THE OVERPRICED QB WHO WASNT WORKING FOR THEM AND INSTEAD OF THOSE FRANCHISES NOSE-DIVING AS YOU SUGGEST WE WILL, THEY BOTH GOT BETTER?

It’s win win for all of them.

Also, newsflash… Kyler Murray is and never has been even close to the player Wilson was so even moving on from him and making a comparison as reason to keep Kyler has no basis in fact.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Just to be clear, Pete was a major supporter of Russ

Russ wanted out - him and his team worked their way out the door

After Pete was let go this off-season, they had an impromptu dinner in Seattle with a bunch of former players in the area.

To Wilson's credit, he flew in and walked into that room and there seemed to be a lot of water flowing under bridges

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think the potential is obvious, Daves. Murray’s highs are very high. I believe it was Bill Walsh (I am not sure about that, though) who have said to judge a player by his best play, and then it is up to the coaches to get it out of him. Now, he said it in regard to draftable players, but I think the point is the same in the Murray-case. Going by that theory, there are certainly many NFL coaches with big enough self-esteem to believe that they can get the maximum out of Murray.

There are several teams that are desperate for quarterbacks, and another way to look at Murray’s value is to ask what Plan B is for those teams? By all accounts, the quarterback class in the draft is not impressive, and there will most likely only be one or two quarterbacks on the free agent-market worthy of a bigger contract. There will surely be teams that miss out on those few options, which could easily lead them to Murray.


The Cardinals are most often among the bad teams in the NFL. I am sure there are many other teams that will believe they can do better than the Cardinals.

I think a team like the jets could possibly be interested in K1. A price of 33 mil for a one year trial is not a terrible idea for them. They could release him after next year and owe him nothing more dollar wise. Keeps the jets fan base alive and active believing they've struck gold.

PS
The NY media would eat K1 alive. I lived there for 9 years and it's win or be vilified.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the potential is obvious, Daves. Murray’s highs are very high. I believe it was Bill Walsh (I am not sure about that, though) who have said to judge a player by his best play, and then it is up to the coaches to get it out of him. Now, he said it in regard to draftable players, but I think the point is the same in the Murray-case. Going by that theory, there are certainly many NFL coaches with big enough self-esteem to believe that they can get the maximum out of Murray.

There are several teams that are desperate for quarterbacks, and another way to look at Murray’s value is to ask what Plan B is for those teams? By all accounts, the quarterback class in the draft is not impressive, and there will most likely only be one or two quarterbacks on the free agent-market worthy of a bigger contract. There will surely be teams that miss out on those few options, which could easily lead them to Murray.


The Cardinals are most often among the bad teams in the NFL. I am sure there are many other teams that will believe they can do better than the Cardinals.

Except how many have the cap room for him? And even worse, how many want to spend that much money and draft capital on a reclamation project?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You've been on the Bo Nix was viewed as trash narrative for a hot minute now. I don't remember this. The Broncos picked him 12. Was he really seen as trash? Or just with some age red flags? Honest question, cause my brain says he was fairly decently touted.

He certainly wasn’t highly regarded. Not as highly regarded as the top 4 QBs. I don’t think anyone thought he was “trash” though. Maybe surprised he went in 1st but was definitely not dropping lower than 2nd imo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think a team like the jets could possibly be interested in K1. A price of 33 mil for a one year trial is not a terrible idea for them. They could release him after next year and owe him nothing more dollar wise. Keeps the jets fan base alive and active believing they've struck gold.

PS
The NY media would eat K1 alive. I lived there for 9 years and it's win or be vilified.

For sure. NY would eat him up and spit him out.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

I'd rather forego another lost season and enter the great unknown of FA/trades/draft and try to upgrade. We should, at all times, be trying to make this roster better. Keeping Kyler just tells the team and the fanbase they aren't serious about winning for yet another season.

That is fair dude- I definitely feel you. 14 wins in 2.75 seasons is a hard pill to swallow when talking About another lost year.

Especially with a weakening NFC west division

 

[602 Native]

Who cares?

You brought him up so obviously you did.

 

[602 Native]

It will be interesting to see your thoughts if we ( Kyler) craps the bed these last four games.
He is a #1 draft pick playing like an average qb getting paid 45m(?) a year.

Crapping the bed the next 4 is unacceptable. Not winning the next four games is expected.

Meaning K1 can’t perform like he has in the 3 previous games.

I fully expect the Cards to win Sunday and in NC. The Rams and Whiners will be interesting if that happens.

 

[Gandhi]

This is sarcasm...am I right???

No no, I mean it. I think he ended well in Chicago, and I didn’t understand why they benched him in Pittsburgh immediately when Wilson was ready. As I mentioned, I think he is the best bet on having a revival like Mayfield or Darnold.

 

[Gandhi]

I think a team like the jets could possibly be interested in K1. A price of 33 mil for a one year trial is not a terrible idea for them. They could release him after next year and owe him nothing more dollar wise. Keeps the jets fan base alive and active believing they've struck gold.

PS
The NY media would eat K1 alive. I lived there for 9 years and it's win or be vilified.

Good call, WC, and I think it goes for several teams. The Raiders, the Titans, the Giants. And by all accounts, next year’s rookie class is probably better, so don’t you think that most of their fans would be excited about trying to go for the jackpot with Murray, and if it doesn’t work, well, then they can go for one of the hotshots in next year’s draft? I think that you could definitely sell that to fanbases that have gone through nightmares with their current quarterback.

 

[Gandhi]

Except how many have the cap room for him? And even worse, how many want to spend that much money and draft capital on a reclamation project?

Well, it would basically be a one-year contract, so the salary cap would matter in that instance. Of the perceived options, only the Jets would have a little trouble fitting it in. Las Vegas have even more available space than the Cards, and neither the Titans nor Giants are far behind.

And I think that they could all, realistically, consider spending a lot of money and draft capital on him. I think that the rookie class are questionable, and I am sure that there is a lot of coaches that believe that they can get more stability out of Murray. After all, he does still show moments of world class play.

 

[daves]

The Raiders, the Titans, the Giants. And by all accounts, next year’s rookie class is probably better, so don’t you think that most of their fans would be excited about trying to go for the jackpot with Murray, and if it doesn’t work, well, then they can go for one of the hotshots in next year’s draft? I think that you could definitely sell that to fanbases that have gone through nightmares with their current quarterback.

So in this scenario the Cardinals, who know Murray better than any other team, would be smart enough to ditch the known quantity for a mid first round rookie or free agent QB... but one of these teams, with higher draft picks than the Cardinals, would be stupid enough to forego taking a high first round rookie, and excited to "go for the jackpot" with Murray? AND to give up draft assets to do so?!?

 

[WisconsinCard]

So in this scenario the Cardinals, who know Murray better than any other team, would be smart enough to ditch the known quantity for a mid first round rookie or free agent QB... but one of these teams, with higher draft picks than the Cardinals, would be stupid enough to forego taking a high first round rookie, and excited to "go for the jackpot" with Murray? AND to give up draft assets to do so?!?

I know it sounds crazy but it wouldn't be the first time it happened. There's always some arrogant coach out there that thinks they can fix him. I mean the jets just did it with Rodgers, I know he has a much better resume but he's 40.

 

[Gandhi]

So in this scenario the Cardinals, who know Murray better than any other team, would be smart enough to ditch the known quantity for a mid first round rookie or free agent QB... but one of these teams, with higher draft picks than the Cardinals, would be stupid enough to forego taking a high first round rookie, and excited to "go for the jackpot" with Murray? AND to give up draft assets to do so?!?

WisconsinCard answered it perfect, and I would just add that fit matter. I know that many fans believe that you can just put a successful quarterback in any potential situation with a new team, and his play right now will automatically transfer, but that is not how it works. Fit matter. It matters how the quarterback feel about his life both outside the team and inside the team. It matters how comfortable he feels with everything around him. Even quarterbacks are humans of flesh and blood.

This could very realistically be the reason why Sam Darnold is a much better fit with the Vikings than with the Jets. Or why Baker Mayfield fits better in Tampa Bay than in Cleveland.

I mentioned in another post how Bill Walsh has a theory that you should judge a player by his highest level, and then trust that the teams’ coaches can get that play out of him consistently. Are you really telling me that no team wants Kyler Murray’s highs week in and week out? Because someone is certain to think that they can get that. And are you telling me that no one thinks they can do better than the Cards, who are consistently among the bottom half of the NFL?

Not to forget that someone will lose out on the two-three acceptable options in the draft and free agency. Are the Titans entering the season with Will Levis? Are New Orleans again going to tell their fans that Derek Carr is the answer? The entire new brain trust with the Jets. Will they try to convince everyone that a washed up Aaron Rodgers or Tyrod Taylor will lead them to the playoffs after eight losing seasons in a row?

Then there is the – to me – strange belief that every team, that can realistically get the #1 pick, will fall in love with either Cam Ward or Sheduer Sanders. That there is no world where they are not convinced that either is the right guy. That they must take a quarterback. Say that Joe Schoen with the Giants are enamored with Kyler Murray, and don’t have strong conviction of any of the rookies. Are you truly suggesting to go with the rookie anyway instead of doing what you believe is best for the organization?

I am sorry. I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree that Kyler Murray has no believers out there.

 

[Harry]

He certainly wasn’t highly regarded. Not as highly regarded as the top 4 QBs. I don’t think anyone thought he was “trash” though. Maybe surprised he went in 1st but was definitely not dropping lower than 2nd imo.

He was thought of like Chris Weinke, an inordinately experienced QB. The issue was it was felt he had a start immediately floor, but also a very low ceiling. He just wasn’t likely to grow to be a top tier QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He was thought of like Chris Weinke, an inordinately experienced QB. The issue was it was felt he had a start immediately floor, but also a very low ceiling. He just wasn’t likely to grow to be a top tier QB.

Exactly.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know it sounds crazy but it wouldn't be the first time it happened. There's always some arrogant coach out there that thinks they can fix him. I mean the jets just did it with Rodgers, I know he has a much better resume but he's 40.

Did you just compare a HOF QB with kyler murray?

 

[oaken1]

So in this scenario the Cardinals, who know Murray better than any other team, would be smart enough to ditch the known quantity for a mid first round rookie or free agent QB... but one of these teams, with higher draft picks than the Cardinals, would be stupid enough to forego taking a high first round rookie, and excited to "go for the jackpot" with Murray? AND to give up draft assets to do so?!?

If their roster is ready to win now, why not?
If they have an ego (and trust me everyone in the nfl does) then many coaches will believe kyler has untapped potential that our shifty franchise and second rate staff just couldn't develop...but they surely can.

It all depends on the situation of the team. But many coaches and GM's out there would prefer an under 30 known commodity with upside to the totally unknown future development of a rookie QB

 

[WisconsinCard]

Did you just compare a HOF QB with kyler murray?

No I did not. I said he has a much better resume, but word in Green Bay was he was cooked.

I was just saying that sometimes coaches or front offices think they can get out what others couldn't. Or that they are smarter than everybody else in the room

 

[Dr. Jones]

Kyler would make a great Raider. They might be stupid enough to give up the farm for him and he'd be just good enough to give the fanbase hope while still never finishing better than 3rd or 4th in the division most years.

 

[DVontel]

Kyler would make a great Raider. They might be stupid enough to give up the farm for him and he'd be just good enough to give the fanbase hope while still never finishing better than 3rd or 4th in the division most years.

Are you guys purposely forgetting the Raiders hold & will probably finish with the #1 pick in the draft?