Clean House- K1, JG, MO

[602 Native]

At some point you have to get a coach you really like and stick with him.

In 104 years, the Cards have had 43 different coaches.

In 91 years, the Steelers, as a comparison, have had 16 different head coaches - and they have had only 3 head coaches over the past 55 years.

 

[kerouac9]

At some point you have to get a coach you really like and stick with him.

In 104 years, the Cards have had 43 different coaches.

In 91 years, the Steelers, as a comparison, have had 16 different head coaches - and they have had only 3 head coaches over the past 55 years.

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

 

[602 Native]

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

And just like that Kerouac9 and I are:

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[Cheesebeef]

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

I think Kyler Murray, on that terrible long-term contract, coming off an ACL no less, was a pretty big reason we had to go bottom of barrel shopping for GM/Coach, in addition to Michael’s well known buffoonery. Those two are a devastating combo for anyone’s job security.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Kyler Murray, on that terrible long-term contract, coming off an ACL no less, was a pretty big reason we had to go bottom of barrel shopping for GM/Coach, in addition to Michael’s well known buffoonery. Those two are a devastating combo for anyone’s job security.

I'd flip it. NFL head coaches all know Michael Bidwill's reputation and see what they did with and to Bruce Arians. Whis was well-traveled after his time here and likely shared some details of what it was like to work with Bidwill.

I think Michael was a big reason we had to settle for third-choice GM Monti Ossenfort, and Ossenfort dangling the prospect of a multi-year rebuild is a big reason we had to settle for Jonathan Gannon.

Kyler was mid to bad in 2022, but I don't think he was so bad that a good offensive coach would say he'd rather start over than commit to Kyler. I don't have anything to back that up though. Something scared off Sean Payton so much he decided to work with DangeRuss and have less draft capital.

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

 

[ajcardfan]

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

With Vance Joseph as DC, and they have had a top 10 defense all year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd flip it. NFL head coaches all know Michael Bidwill's reputation and see what they did with and to Bruce Arians. Whis was well-traveled after his time here and likely shared some details of what it was like to work with Bidwill.

I think Michael was a big reason we had to settle for third-choice GM Monti Ossenfort, and Ossenfort dangling the prospect of a multi-year rebuild is a big reason we had to settle for Jonathan Gannon.

Kyler was mid to bad in 2022, but I don't think he was so bad that a good offensive coach would say he'd rather start over than commit to Kyler. I don't have anything to back that up though. Something scared off Sean Payton so much he decided to work with DangeRuss and have less draft capital.

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

I never said Bidwill wasn’t a big reason. He’s always the main reason. But Kyler being terrible for a full year dating back to the previous season, and collapsing the season before that, with a major knee injury didn’t help attract great candidates either.

 

[BulldogCard]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

 

[Stout]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

IMO the Oline regressing is the reason the offense and murray have regressed.

Fix that ish in the offseason and watch this team win 11 -12 games next year

Most qbs suck when given poor protection.

spend on both trenches in the offseason and continue to draft well... Playoffs baby.

 

[iLLmatiC]

At this point I'd like to keep JG and MO. I want MO to be more aggressive this offseason but we need to see how his picks have developed. K1 can kick rocks though.

 

[602 Native]

IMO the Oline regressing is the reason the offense and murray have regressed.

Fix that ish in the offseason and watch this team win 11 -12 games next year

Most qbs suck when given poor protection.

spend on both trenches in the offseason and continue to draft well... Playoffs baby.

Agree with this.

Also think this is a slow rebuild based on what MO has been doing and Bidwill's experience with Keim in the past.

 

[gimpy]

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

I think (moo) that you have misread, misinterpreted, or whatever you want to call it, his post.

 

[BulldogCard]

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

Well then your expectations are too demanding. You think this stuff happens right away...with this roster, all the decisions Keim made. Then you want instant and then you're willing to scrap it all, start over again then suck worse while everyone has to learn a new system.

 

[Stout]

I think (moo) that you have misread, misinterpreted, or whatever you want to call it, his post.

Nope. See below. He's content with 2 years to get to 6 wins.

 

[Stout]

Well then your expectations are too demanding. You think this stuff happens right away...with this roster, all the decisions Keim made. Then you want instant and then you're willing to scrap it all, start over again then suck worse while everyone has to learn a new system.

Poverty franchise mentality. We tore down more than we needed to then MO ignored opportunities to improve the roster by saying "No than you" to spending his cap money. In the modern NFL, taking 3 years before you even sniff playoffs is a failed rebuild. 2 years to get to 6 wins is awful.

Hopefully we will end up with more than 6 wins, or we are in big, big trouble as a franchise.

 

[gimpy]

Nope. See below. He's content with 2 years to get to 6 wins.

My interpretation was not that it took us two years to get up to 6 wins quickly but that we got up to 6 wins quickly this year/season. But, maybe I did misread it myself.

 

[BulldogCard]

Poverty franchise mentality. We tore down more than we needed to then MO ignored opportunities to improve the roster by saying "No than you" to spending his cap money. In the modern NFL, taking 3 years before you even sniff playoffs is a failed rebuild. 2 years to get to 6 wins is awful.

Hopefully we will end up with more than 6 wins, or we are in big, big trouble as a franchise.

I just want winning football. It starts from the top and with the coaches. I agree with your point.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think as has been said in many places it's highly likely Kyler is back. I mostly like Gannon, there's things I disagree with, kicking the FG against Minnesota for example, but I think he's done a good job. I'm not high on or down on Petzing I think he's good in the run game and has to improve in the pass game.

there's only 2 teams I see that would make sense to try and trade Kyler, the Titans and the Jets, no idea if either wants him. I think it's far more likely he's back.

I have seen a bunch of people saying whoever Minnesota gets rid of, Darnold or McCarthy, we should get. Darnold is projected to get 40 million per on the open market, I think he can run our offense but I'm also highly skeptical his one terrific year is now who he is.I never liked McCarthy in the draft but I do see where he fits the Petzing offense, played in a run oriented system at Michigan and did well, smart kid, taller than Kyler, had a good preseason was the frontrunner to start before he got hurt. I like him better than Shadeur that's for sure.

But if you're trading for him our most valuable piece to trade is probably Kyler and they won't want a QB back so we'd be unloading draft picks when we desperately need them to add talent on defense, and a speed WR. So I again don't see us making a move at QB this offseason unless a really good deal falls into our laps.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd flip it. NFL head coaches all know Michael Bidwill's reputation and see what they did with and to Bruce Arians. Whis was well-traveled after his time here and likely shared some details of what it was like to work with Bidwill.

I think Michael was a big reason we had to settle for third-choice GM Monti Ossenfort, and Ossenfort dangling the prospect of a multi-year rebuild is a big reason we had to settle for Jonathan Gannon.

Kyler was mid to bad in 2022, but I don't think he was so bad that a good offensive coach would say he'd rather start over than commit to Kyler. I don't have anything to back that up though. Something scared off Sean Payton so much he decided to work with DangeRuss and have less draft capital.

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

But it wasn’t just a mid to bad kyler. It was a mid to bad kyler coming off acl with a big long term contract. Mid player, injury, $$$, woof.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My interpretation was not that it took us two years to get up to 6 wins quickly but that we got up to 6 wins quickly this year/season. But, maybe I did misread it myself.

You did. The original poster confirmed stouts interpretation.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Yeah..... They aren't the problem. Only a symptom of a greater issue within that no one can even hope to address.

Once you get old enough to realize that our owner is the problem, a sense of calm will wash over you and you will start to take the team as seriously as he does.

We may get lucky from time to time..... But until the stain of the Bidwill name is washed from our beloved franchise...... We will always have a "perpetual suck" about us. We will always settle for 2nd and 3rd choices on everything. That goes for HC's, GM's, FA's, and Undrafted FA's. We won't be aggressive with our cap, we won't get loyal players to give us hometown deals, and we won't have loyal front office folks when better franchises come calling.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yeah..... They aren't the problem. Only a symptom of a greater issue within that no one can even hope to address.

Once you get old enough to realize that our owner is the problem, a sense of calm will wash over you and you will start to take the team as seriously as he does.

We may get lucky from time to time..... But until the stain of the Bidwill name is washed from our beloved franchise...... We will always have a "perpetual suck" about us. We will always settle for 2nd and 3rd choices on everything. That goes for HC's, GM's, FA's, and Undrafted FA's. We won't be aggressive with our cap, we won't get loyal players to give us hometown deals, and we won't have loyal front office folks when better franchises come calling.

That's why I always say we just have to enjoy our wins more than other teams fans do.

 

[kerouac9]

But it wasn’t just a mid to bad kyler. It was a mid to bad kyler coming off acl with a big long term contract. Mid player, injury, $$$, woof.

This isn’t 1994. An ACL isn’t a death sentence anymore. I don’t think that would discourage a coach. And anyone smart could see that Kyler’s contract wasn’t crippling at the time and likely to seem like a value in a year or two.

A smart team would put together a highlight reel of Kyler’s most mind-boggling plays — at his best he’s maybe the most exciting QB in the NFL. Unfortunately we’re run by dunce Michael Bidwill.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This isn’t 1994. An ACL isn’t a death sentence anymore. I don’t think that would discourage a coach. And anyone smart could see that Kyler’s contract wasn’t crippling at the time and likely to seem like a value in a year or two.

A smart team would put together a highlight reel of Kyler’s most mind-boggling plays — at his best he’s maybe the most exciting QB in the NFL. Unfortunately we’re run by dunce Michael Bidwill.

You’re still losing half a year of getting your program really started right off the bat with an injured kyler. And have we hit the value period of kylers contract yet? Doesn’t seem like it. And what idiot coach is going to be swayed by a highlight video of any player? These aren’t college coaches that have to scour thousands of high school players for talent.

Do I think there were coaches who still saw potential in kyler? Sure. But to think none of the above didn’t cause every coach at least some pause seems awfully naive.