Clean House- K1, JG, MO

[602 Native]

At some point you have to get a coach you really like and stick with him.

In 104 years, the Cards have had 43 different coaches.

In 91 years, the Steelers, as a comparison, have had 16 different head coaches - and they have had only 3 head coaches over the past 55 years.

 

[kerouac9]

At some point you have to get a coach you really like and stick with him.

In 104 years, the Cards have had 43 different coaches.

In 91 years, the Steelers, as a comparison, have had 16 different head coaches - and they have had only 3 head coaches over the past 55 years.

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

 

[602 Native]

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

And just like that Kerouac9 and I are:

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[Cheesebeef]

You also have to have an organization a coach wants to join and then stick with. Yes yes yes there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, but top coaching prospects are going to want to go into a really good situation.

It should speak volumes that the NFL coaching fraternity looked at the Cards with Kyler Murray under a long-term contract and the best we could do was Monti Ossenfort (who helped so much in Tennessee that his boss was fired and he didn't get an interview for that job) and Jonathan Gannon.

I think Gannon is at worst a fine head coach, but it was mostly Michael Bidwill who ran off Bruce Arians because he wouldn't share credit.

I think Kyler Murray, on that terrible long-term contract, coming off an ACL no less, was a pretty big reason we had to go bottom of barrel shopping for GM/Coach, in addition to Michael’s well known buffoonery. Those two are a devastating combo for anyone’s job security.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Kyler Murray, on that terrible long-term contract, coming off an ACL no less, was a pretty big reason we had to go bottom of barrel shopping for GM/Coach, in addition to Michael’s well known buffoonery. Those two are a devastating combo for anyone’s job security.

I'd flip it. NFL head coaches all know Michael Bidwill's reputation and see what they did with and to Bruce Arians. Whis was well-traveled after his time here and likely shared some details of what it was like to work with Bidwill.

I think Michael was a big reason we had to settle for third-choice GM Monti Ossenfort, and Ossenfort dangling the prospect of a multi-year rebuild is a big reason we had to settle for Jonathan Gannon.

Kyler was mid to bad in 2022, but I don't think he was so bad that a good offensive coach would say he'd rather start over than commit to Kyler. I don't have anything to back that up though. Something scared off Sean Payton so much he decided to work with DangeRuss and have less draft capital.

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

 

[ajcardfan]

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

With Vance Joseph as DC, and they have had a top 10 defense all year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd flip it. NFL head coaches all know Michael Bidwill's reputation and see what they did with and to Bruce Arians. Whis was well-traveled after his time here and likely shared some details of what it was like to work with Bidwill.

I think Michael was a big reason we had to settle for third-choice GM Monti Ossenfort, and Ossenfort dangling the prospect of a multi-year rebuild is a big reason we had to settle for Jonathan Gannon.

Kyler was mid to bad in 2022, but I don't think he was so bad that a good offensive coach would say he'd rather start over than commit to Kyler. I don't have anything to back that up though. Something scared off Sean Payton so much he decided to work with DangeRuss and have less draft capital.

Meanwhile, he's 16-14 the past two years compared to our 10-20.

I never said Bidwill wasn’t a big reason. He’s always the main reason. But Kyler being terrible for a full year dating back to the previous season, and collapsing the season before that, with a major knee injury didn’t help attract great candidates either.

 

[BulldogCard]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

 

[Stout]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I think you do the opposite and keep everyone. Gotta have continuity. The team got up to 6 wins decently quick. Do they need to win out..probably. Starting over isn't the answer. Petzig, KM have been in a slump like the oline. It is how the team responds to adversity. They are trying to throw too much. I want 18 for 20 for 137 and a win, the rest smashmouth football.

IMO the Oline regressing is the reason the offense and murray have regressed.

Fix that ish in the offseason and watch this team win 11 -12 games next year

Most qbs suck when given poor protection.

spend on both trenches in the offseason and continue to draft well... Playoffs baby.

 

[iLLmatiC]

At this point I'd like to keep JG and MO. I want MO to be more aggressive this offseason but we need to see how his picks have developed. K1 can kick rocks though.

 

[602 Native]

IMO the Oline regressing is the reason the offense and murray have regressed.

Fix that ish in the offseason and watch this team win 11 -12 games next year

Most qbs suck when given poor protection.

spend on both trenches in the offseason and continue to draft well... Playoffs baby.

Agree with this.

Also think this is a slow rebuild based on what MO has been doing and Bidwill's experience with Keim in the past.

 

[gimpy]

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

I think (moo) that you have misread, misinterpreted, or whatever you want to call it, his post.

 

[BulldogCard]

I do not agree that taking 2 years to get to 6 wins is quick in the least.

Well then your expectations are too demanding. You think this stuff happens right away...with this roster, all the decisions Keim made. Then you want instant and then you're willing to scrap it all, start over again then suck worse while everyone has to learn a new system.

 

[Stout]

I think (moo) that you have misread, misinterpreted, or whatever you want to call it, his post.

Nope. See below. He's content with 2 years to get to 6 wins.

 

[Stout]

Well then your expectations are too demanding. You think this stuff happens right away...with this roster, all the decisions Keim made. Then you want instant and then you're willing to scrap it all, start over again then suck worse while everyone has to learn a new system.

Poverty franchise mentality. We tore down more than we needed to then MO ignored opportunities to improve the roster by saying "No than you" to spending his cap money. In the modern NFL, taking 3 years before you even sniff playoffs is a failed rebuild. 2 years to get to 6 wins is awful.

Hopefully we will end up with more than 6 wins, or we are in big, big trouble as a franchise.

 

[gimpy]

Nope. See below. He's content with 2 years to get to 6 wins.

My interpretation was not that it took us two years to get up to 6 wins quickly but that we got up to 6 wins quickly this year/season. But, maybe I did misread it myself.