Offense and O-Line analysis Week 14 vs. Seahawks (L)

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Yes, I know. Way overdue. Busy week with VIP visits and Year-End Dinners.

Along with everyone here I was super dissapointed by this game.

The team appeared flat with little energy. The scheme was meh. Kyler had a horrible game. O-line made to many mistakes.

SCHEME
Repeat of last week's game against Vikings. Adjustments are being made, but not on a consistent basis and Pertzing/Kyler too often fall back to basic, which is the 12 personal but with the same plays called over and over.

I DO NOT GET IT!

The default scheme is 12 personal with a gap running game utilizing lots of pulling linemen if the D is in nickle and creates mismatches in the passing game if the D is in base. We have seen this being highly effective, because there is the flexibility to hit the D off guard no matter what formation they are playing. BUT! what we have seen the last 3 weeks are 2 defenses that can challenge our offensive style by shooting the G gaps or take out McBride/MHJ. There are alternatives, but super inconsistent.
There was actually some creativity in the 1st half and overall the scheme was diverse and offered something different. The overall scheme and production was okay in the 1st half. Mistakes and two horrible interceptions by Kyler just killed those drives. And then it disappeared in the 2nd half, uncreative forcing the ball to MHJ for contested catches.

A few examples.

Kyler has been absolutely horrific when pressured up the middle. Where are the roll-out passes. 2 a game? Why not 5-8?

The involvement of other players. Great play design to get Wilson open for the TD on the opening drive. Zay Jones sighting and a good catch. It's actually working well when designed, so why are we back to forcing the ball to MHJ in contested catches and non creative plays most of the time?

Tip Reiman is a HUGE but very athletic TE. He had a 1st down last week using his body to create seperation and great playdesign this week letting him chip and then slide out for a nice gain. He's big. He's athletic. Not saying he's McBride, BUT nothing we have seen indicates that he is an issue. He has been catching balls coming his way. Why is he not more involved?
Where was Higgins in this game?

O-Line
Last point I put under O-line. The guard spots are being exposed. I wrote in the bye week analysis that the O-line was producing better than the talent suggest. That didn't hold up in the last three games. The guards had been playing great, but against really good D-lines we start to see why Brown and Colon are playing at the salary they have. They have been dominated.

Colon lost his starting job to Adams - playing the entire game. Adams is more stout at the point of attack and holds his ground better, pulls good, but still a huge liability in pass pro as we saw on the 2nd Kyler sack late in the 2nd.

But the play was not good.
2nd Drive - 1st Q 3:35 left.
A nice pass and Catch to MHJ gets called back due to holding on Froholdt. What is concerning is that Froholdt has to hold a player being double-teamed on his left side. Brown is actually there to make the block. Froholdt is not getting much help.

2nd play of the game is one of the default runs outside with a pulling guard. Seattle DT lines up in a 45 degree angle to shoot the gap and is immediately in the backfield to blow up the play. Froholdt is supposed to make that play, but has ZERO chance when Seatlle shoots the gap and are expecting that exact play. This is where the adjustment is lacking. Seattle is playing specifically to blow up the preferred running play of the Cardinals and if we do run another play, they know the guards are more finesse and will struggle to hold up.

This is a concern. Defenses are targeting our guards and the guards and not providing much help leaving Froholdt in a bad spot. This is not an excuse of Froholdt. He didn't exactly have a great game either, but the guards are not providing much help.

Later in the 2nd they actually called the same run, but with a different scheme, with Froholdt pulling. That was much better, except this time Williams missed is downblock and Connor was met in the backfield.

PJJ struggled in this game.

I need to see something diffrent. I need to see Petzing helping out with more creativity. We need better performance from the O-line, especially the guards. Otherwise, I'm thinking G goes into the need category for Free agency (4 of the top 5 Gs per Pff are free agents after this season)

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This is where I say again the talent at WR precludes us doing much of anything other than 2 and 3 TE sets. Zay Jones has effectively replaced Dortch as the 3rd best Wr on the roster and has a total of TWO catches for the year. Dortch has 26 but has been floundering for awhile. Literally the best play by Jones all year was drawing a PI against the vikings.

So it's not like we can counter teams sitting on the 2 and 3 TE sets by going 4 wide, they'd be laughing at us. Like oh no we have to cover Zay Jones AND Greg Dortch?
 
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This is where I say again the talent at WR precludes us doing much of anything other than 2 and 3 TE sets. Zay Jones has effectively replaced Dortch as the 3rd best Wr on the roster and has a total of TWO catches for the year. Dortch has 26 but has been floundering for awhile. Literally the best play by Jones all year was drawing a PI against the vikings.

So it's not like we can counter teams sitting on the 2 and 3 TE sets by going 4 wide, they'd be laughing at us. Like oh no we have to cover Zay Jones AND Greg Dortch?
Absolutely agree to some extent. Quality at WR must improve for take this team to a new level.

What I contest more is the scheming and usage. The defenses will not play honest, when they know the ball is only going to 2-3 players.

Zay Jones is 2 years away from a quality #2 WR season. He has 4 targets in the season! He is 100% on those 4 targets with 2 receptions and 2 PIs. Come on. Use him more. As my comment with Reiman. Nothing indicates that he couldn’t be a bigger part of the offense.

Reiman plays almost 50% of all snaps. 4 targets as well. He scored out of the world on the athleticism scores and he has looked good on each of this two targets and catches in the last two weeks.

Why is 90% of non-screen passes to WRs mid range passes? Dortch and jones could easily execute quick screens.

Wilson has been looking great over the last couple of weeks. Amazing catches. Sure. The talent doesn’t match MHJ, but why only 50% of the targets when he looks better right now.

I have no problem with the 12 (I actually like it), but there has to be an alternative to the mid range passes going to McBride and MHJ. The good defenses has to kept on their toes. Jones is not MHJ. Reiman is not McBride, but involve them to take the pressure off MHJ and McBride.

Miami has a good pass D, yet Kyler could pass on them all day, because they entercounted for all our players. They had tight coverage on Reiman freeing up McBride and MHJ. Seattle didn’t give a flying f*** about Reiman and the 1 target in both games he had was a 12 yard gain. Zero targets after that.

And the run game. Teams are scheming for pulling guards on a majority of the plays. Mix it up! It’s absolute suicide with pulling play side guards when the defense is playing like the Seahawks did. Use the backside and let the tackles block down or keep the guards home and let Froholdt pull. He is one of the best lineman in the entire league in space. He has not been much in space since Hernandez went down
 
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Absolutely agree to some extent. Quality at WR must improve for take this team to a new level.

What I contest more is the scheming and usage. The defenses will not play honest, when they know the ball is only going to 2-3 players.

Zay Jones is 2 years away from a quality #2 WR season. He has 4 targets in the season! He is 100% on those 4 targets with 2 receptions and 2 PIs. Come on. Use him more. As my comment with Reiman. Nothing indicates that he couldn’t be a bigger part of the offense.

Reiman plays almost 50% of all snaps. 4 targets as well. He scored out of the world on the athleticism scores and he has looked good on each of this two targets and catches in the last two weeks.

Why is 90% of non-screen passes to WRs mid range passes? Dortch and jones could easily execute quick screens.

Wilson has been looking great over the last couple of weeks. Amazing catches. Sure. The talent doesn’t match MHJ, but why only 50% of the targets when he looks better right now.

I have no problem with the 12 (I actually like it), but there has to be an alternative to the mid range passes going to McBride and MHJ. The good defenses has to kept on their toes. Jones is not MHJ. Reiman is not McBride, but involve them to take the pressure off MHJ and McBride.

Miami has a good pass D, yet Kyler could pass on them all day, because they entercounted for all our players. They had tight coverage on Reiman freeing up McBride and MHJ. Seattle didn’t give a flying f*** about Reiman and the 1 target in both games he had was a 12 yard gain. Zero targets after that.

And the run game. Teams are scheming for pulling guards on a majority of the plays. Mix it up! It’s absolute suicide with pulling play side guards when the defense is playing like the Seahawks did. Use the backside and let the tackles block down or keep the guards home and let Froholdt pull. He is one of the best lineman in the entire league in space. He has not been much in space since Hernandez went down
solid assessment
 

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