Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Russ Smith]

That's probably more down to unrealistic expectations

It's down to he's not as good as we were told he was going to be. Not everyone is as good as Jefferson or chase right away but that's what we told we were getting, a kid that would be on their rookie years level.

Some of that may be the QB but most of it is just they were much better players as rookies than he is.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's down to he's not as good as we were told he was going to be. Not everyone is as good as Jefferson or chase right away but that's what we told we were getting, a kid that would be on their rookie years level.

Some of that may be the QB but most of it is just they were much better players as rookies than he is.

Honestly the key point should be had the Cards taken my advice and got Jerry Jeudy, so MHJ had some help, we wouldn't be in this situation (-:

 

[football karma]

98.7 had Ross Tucker on monday on the Cards

among other things discussed -- when asked the offense he said:

"the WRs just arent very good"

wow

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The game is gonna slow down for him, I'm not worried about Marv. When you zoom out and look at his production as a whole he's having a decent rookie season.

Nabers? He has 10 yards per reception. That's not good. 900 yards on 140 targets, he's not even a part of the conversation.

You know who is throwing to him? Derek Dorkdinkle.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's like an NBA player scoring 25 a game... but he takes 30 shots to do it.

Except he can’t throw the ball to himself so it’s a terrible analogy.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not a bust, yet. But definitely soft. So soft.

I wonder if that concussion earlier in the season is giving him the yips?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

98.7 had Ross Tucker on monday on the Cards

among other things discussed -- when asked the offense he said:

"the WRs just arent very good"

wow

I think the problems in this offense are:
1A) offensive scheme.
1B) Kyler's play in said scheme.
3. WRs.

 

[Russ Smith]

tucker was on I think the Dan Patrick show and he kind of said something similar. He said for people that wonder why Petzing plays 3 TE's so much and run the ball so much he said they just don't have the Wr's to challenge people downfield.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

tucker was on I think the Dan Patrick show and he kind of said something similar. He said for people that wonder why Petzing plays 3 TE's so much and run the ball so much he said they just don't have the Wr's to challenge people downfield.

Imagine this team with Joe Alt and Ladd McConkey. The front office is paid to strategically build the team and project ahead. This front office seemed to be focused on obtaining as many picks as possible and then throwing darts at the wall after round 1 (reference trading down for Max Melton)

 

[Russ Smith]

Imagine this team with Joe Alt and Ladd McConkey. The front office is paid to strategically build the team and project ahead. This front office seemed to be focused on obtaining as many picks as possible and then throwing darts at the wall after round 1 (reference trading down for Max Melton)

McConkey is great but he's not a speed receiver either. That's the point people are making, and Tucker made it during the game. The Cards need more speed on offense, particularly at WR, and we need someone to get open downfield on 3rd down so we don't end up throwing so many 50/50 balls. McConkey could be the get open guy.

I'm fine with the pick, I just think it's fair to call out what is, the passing game is a combination of the play calls, Kyler, and the limitations of the Wr room.

Reminder, Cleveland got Jeudy for a 5th and 6th rounder in March and then gave him a new contract extension. You do that before the draft you have much more flexibility during the draft if someone wants to move up, you don't HAVE to take Marv you can move down take another WR and get more picks. We had money to spend and didn't use it.

 

[Russ Smith]

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Baldy chimes in and basically says Marv has to start winning some of these 1 on 1 matchups.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

McConkey is great but he's not a speed receiver either. That's the point people are making, and Tucker made it during the game. The Cards need more speed on offense, particularly at WR, and we need someone to get open downfield on 3rd down so we don't end up throwing so many 50/50 balls. McConkey could be the get open guy.

I'm fine with the pick, I just think it's fair to call out what is, the passing game is a combination of the play calls, Kyler, and the limitations of the Wr room.

Reminder, Cleveland got Jeudy for a 5th and 6th rounder in March and then gave him a new contract extension. You do that before the draft you have much more flexibility during the draft if someone wants to move up, you don't HAVE to take Marv you can move down take another WR and get more picks. We had money to spend and didn't use it.

Great point. In all fairness, the responsibility falls on the front office.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wonder if that concussion earlier in the season is giving him the yips?

Could be

 

[BritCard]

It's down to he's not as good as we were told he was going to be. Not everyone is as good as Jefferson or chase right away but that's what we told we were getting, a kid that would be on their rookie years level.

Some of that may be the QB but most of it is just they were much better players as rookies than he is.

Well then people told you wrong, that's not on Marv. He didn't tell you.

 

[Stout]

Imagine this team with Joe Alt and Ladd McConkey. The front office is paid to strategically build the team and project ahead. This front office seemed to be focused on obtaining as many picks as possible and then throwing darts at the wall after round 1 (reference trading down for Max Melton)

I ding Monti for a lot, but I won't ding him for this. MHJ was the no-brainer pick. Huge position of need and the (supposedly) best talent at that position.

 

[Russ Smith]

Well then people told you wrong, that's not on Marv. He didn't tell you.

Wait now we're pretending he wasn't hyped as the best WR to come in since those 2? That he wasn't the hottest rookie name in every fantasy draft? That people on tv who advise on fantasy drafts weren't telling everyone to take MHJ higher than you think you need to because he's going to be a star and Wr1 on our offense?

I like the kid, and not it's not his fault he was overrated, but the fact is he's not as good as we were told he'd be.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Last year we had a WR core that wasn’t tall enough to ride roller coaster rides but could spread the field. Argument then was Kyler couldn’t hit a small WR. This year we went for height and gave kyler some big body possession receivers and he still struggles to hit them.

Marvin will be great in the near future. He’s a rookie who has been double teamed since day 1 - it’s not hard to imagine why there is a struggle. My problem isn’t Marv, it’s who is throwing the ball.

 

[DVontel]

Last year we had a WR core that wasn’t tall enough to ride roller coaster rides but could spread the field. Argument then was Kyler couldn’t hit a small WR. This year we went for height and gave kyler some big body possession receivers and he still struggles to hit them.

Marvin will be great in the near future. He’s a rookie who has been double teamed since day 1 - it’s not hard to imagine why there is a struggle. My problem isn’t Marv, it’s who is throwing the ball.

I still like Marv a lot, but this excuse is tired considering who has been throwing Brian Thomas Jr & Malik Nabers the ball.

 

[BritCard]

Wait now we're pretending he wasn't hyped as the best WR to come in since those 2? That he wasn't the hottest rookie name in every fantasy draft? That people on tv who advise on fantasy drafts weren't telling everyone to take MHJ higher than you think you need to because he's going to be a star and Wr1 on our offense?

I like the kid, and not it's not his fault he was overrated, but the fact is he's not as good as we were told he'd be.

No. I saying that's not something he control and part of the problem is unrealistic expectations, some is poor QB play and some of it is on Marv.

 

[football karma]

ive said it prior, and this will be one of my offseason things:

bring back Christian Kirk. good in the slot, a vet who caught plenty of deep balls from Kyler. shouldnt break the bank

 

[CardNots]

ive said it prior, and this will be one of my offseason things:

bring back Christian Kirk. good in the slot, a vet who caught plenty of deep balls from Kyler. shouldnt break the bank

caught and dropped

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I still like Marv a lot, but this excuse is tired considering who has been throwing Brian Thomas Jr & Malik Nabers the ball.

Both of them have higher percentage passes being thrown to them. Marv for instance has 564 yards before catch on 47 receptions. BTJ has 522 yards on 64 catches and Nabers has 611 yards on 90 catches. Almost every time Marv is targeted it is on a throw down the field with a lower percentage of completion and less chance of getting yards after the catch. Honestly having a QB that can make some of these tough throws might be leading to them trying it too often. Those other two have had poor QB play and therefor most of their targets are less down the field.

 

[HairZach]

Like everyone's said, Marv is a finesse player and Petzing need to change the offense to cater to his limited skill set. Marv is not the "go up and get it freak X receiver" like Mike Evans or AJ Green. Marv is more like a less skilled Devonta Smith, and we still need to draft the physical, do it all, deep threat X receiver.

 

[BritCard]

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[football karma]

ive been as critical of Marv as anyone

we expected Justin Jefferson. Instead we got...... a promising rookie WR

I now realize how unrealistic it was to expect any rookie to come in and be THE GUY with only 2nd year Mike Wilson and journeyman Greg Dortch as the other WRs