3-Way Tie favors Cards

[Cbus cardsfan]

too bad the Cardinals didn't finish off Minny and take care of business at home against Seattle. This discussion would never be happening. It's still been a very good year either way. I was one of the people thinking 3-5 wins.

 

[ajcardfan]

I may be missing something but if we win out, the Rams can't win the division can they?

if we win out we're 10-7 and the best the Rams can be is 10-7. But we would have beaten, them twice. If the Rams finish 10-7 and we win out it means the Rams beat Seattle so Seattle has at least 3 division losses so it can't be a 3 way tie.

We CAN win out and not win the division because Seattle either finishes 10-7 and wins head to head tiebreaker, or Seattle wins out and finishes 11-6,

We control our destiny for the division.

 

[TheCardinal]

We control our destiny for the division.

No, we don’t control our own destiny for the division. If we win out, we still need help:

Either the Seahawks lose any two ganes

OR

The Seahawks lose to the Rams AND the Rams beat the Jets.

 

[ajcardfan]

No, we don’t control our own destiny for the division. If we win out, we still need help:

Either the Seahawks lose any two ganes

OR

The Seahawks lose to the Rams AND the Rams beat the Jets.

Thank you. Of course the Seahawks have to lose.

 

[TheCardinal]

I may be missing something but if we win out, the Rams can't win the division can they?

if we win out we're 10-7 and the best the Rams can be is 10-7. But we would have beaten, them twice. If the Rams finish 10-7 and we win out it means the Rams beat Seattle so Seattle has at least 3 division losses so it can't be a 3 way tie.

We CAN win out and not win the division because Seattle either finishes 10-7 and wins head to head tiebreaker, or Seattle wins out and finishes 11-6,

You are correct in that should we win out, the Rams CANNOT win the West. Since we might still need their help to beat the Seahawks in the finale, it is important that the NFL doesn’t move their game to Sunday night since should we have gotten to 10-7 earlier in the day, the Rams might have no incentive to try against the Seahawks.

The three-way tie at 10-7 is still in play. We win out, the Seahawks lose only to the Rams (it’s fine if they lose more), and the Rams beat the Jets and Seahawks. Even though the Rams would be shut out of the division, if the Seahawks get to 10 wins by beating the Vikings and Bears, it is imperative that the Rams also win EXACTLY 10 games to bail us out. Seattle would have the worst division record at 3-3 which is what kills them in the tie-breaker. Overall record always comes first, the other stuff like H2H and divisional record only applies if teams have the same overall record.

 

[phillycard]

Me neither. Gannon has his warts but his team almost always comes out playing hard and has been particularly good at handling teams that are worse than them.

Cheese, if I'M reading it right, @ajcardfan is saying that we could just straight up get beat, and not because we took the Panthers lightly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I tend to agree with your take on it. AJ am I right?

 

[ajcardfan]

Cheese, if I'M reading it right, @ajcardfan is saying that we could just straight up get beat, and not because we took the Panthers lightly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I tend to agree with your take on it. AJ am I right?

Yes, that is what I meant and I think cheese did too.

 

[phillycard]

No, we don’t control our own destiny for the division. If we win out, we still need help:

Either the Seahawks lose any two ganes

OR

The Seahawks lose to the Rams AND the Rams beat the Jets.

So we need to pull for the Rams this Sunday?

 

[TheCardinal]

So we need to pull for the Rams this Sunday?

It depends.

If we lose our game, then we need the Rams to LOSE, otherwise we are eliminated (ignoring ties for now).

If we win our game, then it is *probably* better for the Rams to WIN. The rationale is a bit convoluted, see below and decide for yourself.

Both games are played at the same time, so there will be some uncertainty.


If Rams WIN against Jets:
- PROS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 much easier. The only other help we would need would be a SEA loss to LA (or losses by SEA in their other two games).
- CONS: forces us to go 10-7. No path to the playoffs at 9-8.

If Rams LOSE to Jets:
- PROS: keeps us alive should we lose to CRL or SF. If we go 9-8, we would need SEA to lose to the Rams and one other game (if our loss is to CRL) or all three games (if our loss is to SF).
- CONS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 more difficult (no three-way tie possible to save us). Would need SEA to lose any two games (and if they beat MIN, our playoff survival would depend on the Bears beating them the following week).

A Rams-Jets TIE is really bad in most scenarios.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It depends.

If we lose our game, then we need the Rams to LOSE, otherwise we are eliminated (ignoring ties for now).

If we win our game, then it is *probably* better for the Rams to WIN. The rationale is a bit convoluted, see below and decide for yourself.

Both games are played at the same time, so there will be some uncertainty.


If Rams WIN against Jets:
- PROS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 much easier. The only other help we would need would be a SEA loss to LA (or losses by SEA in their other two games).
- CONS: forces us to go 10-7. No path to the playoffs at 9-8.

If Rams LOSE to Jets:
- PROS: keeps us alive should we lose to CRL or SF. If we go 9-8, we would need SEA to lose to the Rams and one other game (if our loss is to CRL) or all three games (if our loss is to SF).
- CONS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 more difficult (no three-way tie possible to save us). Would need SEA to lose any two games (and if they beat MIN, our playoff survival would depend on the Bears beating them the following week).

A Rams-Jets TIE is really bad in most scenarios.

If we lose to Carolina we'll then do we really deserve to be in the hunt? This is a game we cannot lose and be taken as a serious playoff contender. It's do or due time. IMO

 

[cardcrazy]

I have a good feeling about this one…
Cardinals offense gets back on track against Carolina.
Beachum excels at LT.
Kyler runs for 2 TDs.
Connor >100 yds rushing.
McBride gets first TD catch.
Defense gets 3 turnovers.
This win sets the stage for a showdown in LA next Saturday night on Primetime.
Cardinals take down the Rams and everyone’s talking.
LETS GO!!!

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[krazy2k]

This entire thread is borderline ridiculous. Cards would have to play "way above their pay grade" by winning the last three regular season games (when they have proven year after year after year that they fold up in the second half of the season with KM forgetting how to play QB) and would still need a lot of help. Enjoy the "around .500" season and look to improve next year (or at worst, in 2026) with a new QB and a new OC.

 

[CardNots]

This entire thread is borderline ridiculous. Cards would have to play "way above their pay grade" by winning the last three regular season games (when they have proven year after year after year that they fold up in the second half of the season with KM forgetting how to play QB) and would still need a lot of help. Enjoy the "around .500" season and look to improve next year (or at worst, in 2026) with a new QB and a new OC.

and they have proven they can win 4 consecutive games

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

and they have proven they can win 4 consecutive games

Not in the second half of the year behind kyler.

 

[CardNots]

Not in the second half of the year behind kyler.

It has been a long ass time since they won 4 consecutive games at any time in a season.

 

[kerouac9]

It has been a long ass time since they won 4 consecutive games at any time in a season.

It was a month ago, my guy

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It depends.

If we lose our game, then we need the Rams to LOSE, otherwise we are eliminated (ignoring ties for now).

If we win our game, then it is *probably* better for the Rams to WIN. The rationale is a bit convoluted, see below and decide for yourself.

Both games are played at the same time, so there will be some uncertainty.


If Rams WIN against Jets:
- PROS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 much easier. The only other help we would need would be a SEA loss to LA (or losses by SEA in their other two games).
- CONS: forces us to go 10-7. No path to the playoffs at 9-8.

If Rams LOSE to Jets:
- PROS: keeps us alive should we lose to CRL or SF. If we go 9-8, we would need SEA to lose to the Rams and one other game (if our loss is to CRL) or all three games (if our loss is to SF).
- CONS: makes our path to the division at 10-7 more difficult (no three-way tie possible to save us). Would need SEA to lose any two games (and if they beat MIN, our playoff survival would depend on the Bears beating them the following week).

A Rams-Jets TIE is really bad in most scenarios.

This is the way.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It has been a long ass time since they won 4 consecutive games at any time in a season.

It was a month ago, my guy

These do not need to be mutually exclusive.

A win against Carolina sets up another must win game next Saturday. Make it so!

 

[kerouac9]

These do not need to be mutually exclusive.

A win against Carolina sets up another must win game next Saturday. Make it so!

In no definition is early November a long-ass time

 

[CardNots]

It was a month ago, my guy

The original reference was the Cardinals always crash at the end of the season.

My point was referencing the last time we won 4 games was years ago implying this year is a bit different than years past because we did win 4 games this year so saying we always crash at the end of a season isn’t necessarily solid in my view.

Sorry i wasn’t clear enough to avoid your correction.

 

[cardcrazy]

The original reference was the Cardinals always crash at the end of the season.

My point was referencing the last time we won 4 games was years ago implying this year is a bit different than years past because we did win 4 games this year so saying we always crash at the end of a season isn’t necessarily solid in my view.

Sorry i wasn’t clear enough to avoid your correction.

Got it!
You’re actually being optimistic here, I see.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

In no definition is early November a long-ass time

Except that time is relative, so early November is a long ass time ago, comparing seconds for example. Early November is over 4 million seconds ago.

 

[oaken1]

This entire thread is borderline ridiculous. Cards would have to play "way above their pay grade" by winning the last three regular season games (when they have proven year after year after year that they fold up in the second half of the season with KM forgetting how to play QB) and would still need a lot of help. Enjoy the "around .500" season and look to improve next year (or at worst, in 2026) with a new QB and a new OC.

Go point your pee pee at someone else's cheerios grinch