Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Cheesebeef]

Kevin Durant has a $54,708,608 expiring contract next season.

There is no use pretending it's a level field. A star player has a say in where he plays in the future.

And a team wants to know if they invest assets and money in a player, he wants to stay there.

Luka got traded without having a say in it. Can’t get bigger than him for stars.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is the James Jones interview today.

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[BirdGangThing]

all them fans talking mad ish about beal refusing to go - he was never asked to go - i take this to be true for one major reason - not because jj said so but because miami didn't want beal (and his contract) - im guessing miami told jj that beal was a nonstarter from the very beginning - yet beal was villainized by the casual fans - not for his subpar play but for refusing to board a plane that never existed

far as kd goes - grown ass man - sensitive as all hell - probably got into another twitter fight with some rando nobody today - truth is he can't be mad - ish and jj didn't make a deal and then tell him - nah - kd was informed of the situation - got to say his piece and ultimately got his way - so he better have a coke - smile - and shut the funk up

when your team sucks for the reason the suns do - when it's not the lack of talent but the lack of focus - care - and determination - you can't blame the front office for exploring different avenues - well you can - but you're already half way gone if you do

 

[Yuma]

Luka got traded without having a say in it. Can’t get bigger than him for stars.

That's not normal anymore.

 

[Mainstreet]

Luka got traded without having a say in it. Can’t get bigger than him for stars.

There is a cost and a risk of doing it this way as addressed by Brian Windhorst.

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[AzStevenCal]

Luka got traded without having a say in it. Can’t get bigger than him for stars.

Yeah but that's a pretty unique situation. Dallas was even willing to take back far less value in order to keep it quiet, that's not the case with a KD trade. I hope that we would have made the trade regardless of KD's wishes but given the kind of person KD is, I just don't see any way that GS would have given up assets knowing he didn't want to play for them.

 

[Yuma]

Suns fans be like:

1. We are bad because of our owner (Sarver). Again, we are bad because of our owner (Ishbia).

2. Our GM sucks. (Lance Blanks, McDonough, James Jones, etc.)

3. Our coach is bad (Monty). Again, our coach is bad (Vogel). Currently, our coach is bad (Budenholzer).

4. Our players are terrible (Just guessing but Suns have had about a quarter to half of the league come through Phoenix).

No point, just an observation.

 

[Ronin]

Suns mum on noise, reported frustration after trade deadline

As has become the norm, the Phoenix Suns were mum on all of the fallout from Thursday's trade deadline, reporting that included the team nearly trading Kevin Durant.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The really bad part is GS has a connection to him. There is a very good chance that is the best offer we will ever get.

It also says that the team that really knows him was willing to pay significantly for him. So I’m unsure your statement is accurate.

 

[BirdGangThing]

It also says that the team that really knows him was willing to pay significantly for him. So I’m unsure your statement is accurate.

accurately provocative

 

[BirdGangThing]

it's bad when you celebrate after utah

 

[Raindog]

You prefer Ishbia?

I prefer Ishbia spend some of his extravagant wealth on smart front office people and let them do their jobs. He obviously has the funds to do that, if he so chooses.

That means no James Jones (and no Isiah Thomas, of course).

 

[Yuma]

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Coach Bud is right. The only stat that stands out for our team is 3P%. We are 4th in that category. You would assume we should get our attempts per game up to take advantage of that.

 

[Carolinacacti]

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Coach Bud is right. The only stat that stands out for our team is 3P%. We are 4th in that category. You would assume we should get our attempts per game up to take advantage of that.

55 last night

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's not normal anymore.

It's becoming normal again. These things ebb and flow.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Suns fans be like:

1. We are bad because of our owner (Sarver). Again, we are bad because of our owner (Ishbia).

2. Our GM sucks. (Lance Blanks, McDonough, James Jones, etc.)

3. Our coach is bad (Monty). Again, our coach is bad (Vogel). Currently, our coach is bad (Budenholzer).

4. Our players are terrible (Just guessing but Suns have had about a quarter to half of the league come through Phoenix).

No point, just an observation.

Gotta be something. Its not the fans.

 

[swagron]

It's becoming normal again. These things ebb and flow.

I hope it does. I’ve gotten tired of players dictating what they will and wont do.
Whether you agree or disagree with the return, Doncic to Lakers never happens if it goes public. Too many voices is exhausting

 

[Hoop Head]

Suns fans be like:

1. We are bad because of our owner (Sarver). Again, we are bad because of our owner (Ishbia).

2. Our GM sucks. (Lance Blanks, McDonough, James Jones, etc.)

3. Our coach is bad (Monty). Again, our coach is bad (Vogel). Currently, our coach is bad (Budenholzer).

4. Our players are terrible (Just guessing but Suns have had about a quarter to half of the league come through Phoenix).

No point, just an observation.

This is sports fandom and not limited to the Suns. You can replace the names for the Cardinals, DBacks, Cowboys, Lakers, etc.

Championship teams require all 4 sections to align, ownership that enables the front office with tools to build a team. A front office who builds a team that the coach can find success with. A coach who can maximize the talent of the players. The players playing up to their full potential. That's why there isn't an easy blueprint for a championship. You can create regular contenders with 3 of 4 but to actually succeed and reach the heights of a league then all 4 must align for a period of time.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[how_sweet_it_is]

re: grumbling about the GM. Because we never know anything in detail about what went on with the GM's work, I have always been reluctant to complain about GMs. We also are not sure whether a GM's dealings were restricted by a micromanaging owner. I can believe that Robert Sarver probably was a micromanager, but I have no idea of any of Mat Ishbia's habits. No idea whether Ishbia interfered with James Jones' ability to make a deal. No idea whether he likes Jones and wants to keep him, or plans to remove Jones soon and install "his guys." But I suspect that Ishbia is the one who wanted to keep Durant here, and that is why Durant didn't get traded to the Heat (which he says he was willing to play for).

Even with the allegedly odious Ryan McDonough, I've never felt sure where McDonough ended and where Sarver began. There was a time when one of the two publicly threw a fit over something a player (possibly Goran Dragic, I forget) said or did. (Yeah, it was probably Dragic's trade demand.) Other fans believed the expression of petulance was clearly from McDonough. I always disagreed, thinking no, it sounded like Sarver speaking through McDonough.

Figuring this out was always easier back when the Colangelos ruled the Suns, especially before Jerry Colangelo hired his son as GM.

 

[Yuma]

re: grumbling about the GM. Because we never know anything in detail about what went on with the GM's work, I have always been reluctant to complain about GMs. We also are not sure whether a GM's dealings were restricted by a micromanaging owner. I can believe that Robert Sarver probably was a micromanager, but I have no idea of any of Mat Ishbia's habits. No idea whether Ishbia interfered with James Jones' ability to make a deal. No idea whether he likes Jones and wants to keep him, or plans to remove Jones soon and install "his guys." But I suspect that Ishbia is the one who wanted to keep Durant here, and that is why Durant didn't get traded to the Heat (which he says he was willing to play for).

Even with the allegedly odious Ryan McDonough, I've never felt sure where McDonough ended and where Sarver began. There was a time when one of the two publicly threw a fit over something a player (possibly Goran Dragic, I forget) said or did. (Yeah, it was probably Dragic's trade demand.) Other fans believed the expression of petulance was clearly from McDonough. I always disagreed, thinking no, it sounded like Sarver speaking through McDonough.

Figuring this out was always easier back when the Colangelos ruled the Suns, especially before Jerry Colangelo hired his son as GM.

At least with Jerry the moves he made had logic, even when they didn't work out. People trusted him running the franchise. Sarver got on McDonough's bad side by taking goats for a Diana Taurasi photo shoot, and locking them in McDonough's office. McDounah was late to work that day, and rumor is that the goats do what goats do and destroyed his office. Just a funny prank by the owner, who also did pranks like pulling a guys shorts and underwear down in front of the whole company. Oops!

 

[how_sweet_it_is]

At least with Jerry the moves he made had logic, even when they didn't work out. People trusted him running the franchise. Sarver got on McDonough's bad side by taking goats for a Diana Taurasi photo shoot, and locking them in McDonough's office. McDounah was late to work that day, and rumor is that the goats do what goats do and destroyed his office. Just a funny prank by the owner, who also did pranks like pulling a guys shorts and underwear down in front of the whole company. Oops!

That kind of obnoxious and childish behavior is why I keep thinking "Damn it, Mr. Colangelo, did you have to sell your franchise to that man?" This is what proves that the Phoenix Suns weren't Colangelo's baby per se; they were just another business interest to him. He did not put great effort into finding someone of good character who would treat the tranchise with respect. I know sports teams are expensive; but I'm sorry, I can't believe that Colangelo couldn't find any other wealthy buyer besides Sarver. Yes, I hold Jerry Colangelo indirectly responsible for Robert Sarver's ownership, by selling the Suns to him. ...It was entirely appropriate for McDonough to be angry when his idiot boss sent animals to destroy his office.

 

[Hoop Head]

That kind of obnoxious and childish behavior is why I keep thinking "Damn it, Mr. Colangelo, did you have to sell your franchise to that man?" This is what proves that the Phoenix Suns weren't Colangelo's baby per se; they were just another business interest to him. He did not put great effort into finding someone of good character who would treat the tranchise with respect. I know sports teams are expensive; but I'm sorry, I can't believe that Colangelo couldn't find any other wealthy buyer besides Sarver. Yes, I hold Jerry Colangelo indirectly responsible for Robert Sarver's ownership, by selling the Suns to him. ...It was entirely appropriate for McDonough to be angry when his idiot boss sent animals to destroy his office.

Sarver was a bit of an unknown when he bought the team so I don't see how Jerry can be blamed. Sarver paid what was then a record price for the franchise and agreed to keep Bryan on as GM while allowing Jerry to work with him directly that first season for the transition. Jerry was in financial trouble because of all he spent on the DBacks meant he needed to sell the Suns. Jerry was the head of the group who owned the Suns, he wasn't the sole owner and the group wanted to sell also. It wasn't all his call. He wanted to ensure the team wasn't moving out of Arizona and with Sarver having strong ties to AZ, being a Tucson guy and UofA alum, he went with him over out of state buyers. It most definitely was his baby by all he's said and done over the first 30+ years of the team, and he's continually kept an eye on it. Holding him responsible for what Sarver became is ridiculous.

Sarver was also a part of the pitch to bring Steve Nash back to Phoenix and Nash saw no issues with Sarver then. He knew that Jerry was selling and it would be Sarver's team for essentially all of the contract he signed. So do you also blame Nash for not seeing through him?

You're rewriting history to condemn Colangelo with the benefit of hindsight and ignoring certain pieces to create a narrative that doesn't align with reality.

 

[JRakes]

please sign James wiseman….is how far we’ve sunk