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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    It's been a weird year for the Suns. They had a few games earlier with very good defense, and it's the first time that they played consistently good D for a stretch of 4-5 games. Can we keep that trend into the playoffs? The weakest link in the current 8-man rotation is, #1 Booker's bad trait of...
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    Can we blame Vogel?

    Our 3pt shooters are streaky of various degrees. When someone is not feeling it, and we are in big lead like 30pts in the 3rd qrt, why not try out some defense for offense rotation changes and cut the formers' playing time a bit? When a guy like Zion or Shai or Doncis is dominating, why not put...
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    Suns @ Pelicans Monday game thread 4-1-2024

    It's a weird team, or Vogel made it so. We were up 30 pts, Zion started to abuse our D, and yet we never thought of putting in better man-defenders like Okogie or Roddy in this case and stop the bleeding, particularly in face of our stagnant offense in the 2nd half. Vogel is stubbornly sticking...
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    Suns @ Thunder Friday game thread 3-29-2024

    Actually, Okogie, Saben, Roddy, Little are all young and athletic, capable of playing good to great defense. They just cannot shoot like OKC's young guys. KD, Beal, RO, Young are old but very good defenders. Allen and Gordon are decent. Booker and Bol are the weakest links on D. It's coach'es...
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    Suns @ Thunder Friday game thread 3-29-2024

    OKC is a young team with great young 3pt shooters and a lot of athletic talent. Without Shai, their offense is less predictable. When Joe, Wiggins, Wallace and even Dort shoot 3s like that, while our GA and EG combine for 2/17, it's hard to win. And Bol appeared in the useless mode every once...
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    Suns @ Thunder Friday game thread 3-29-2024

    Our D is above average for the season, but we have the problem of not identifying the hot hand shooter and cover them better. What was Book thinking of leaving his initial guy Joe open to switch to the lesser shooter Giddy! The whole OKC team is making 3s with close defense like crazy. And we...
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    Suns @ Nuggets Wednesday game thread 3-27-2024

    If we play D like this game and improving on it, we compete with any team. Among starters + GA and EG, Booker is the weakest link on both individual and team D, while Beal and KD the most capable ones. Their initial conception of unlimited switching can work if and only if everybody does the...
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    Suns @ Spurs Monday game thread 3-25-2024

    Suns deserve the loss. The defensive letdown and inability with Bol and Eubanks on court killed their momentum, and dug up a big hole together with TOs and lack of ball movement in late game again. KD was also involved in a couple lack of cover communications. RO should have been put in for...
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    Suns @ Spurs Monday game thread 3-25-2024

    Bol's defense is so atrocious, yet Vogel kept playing him for so long.
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    Suns @ Spurs Saturday game thread 3-23-2024

    Most encouraging is that the def. attitude was there, led by Beal as the most active rotating to cover the perimeter shooters on scrambles and double teamings. And on offense, Beal creates great opportunities with his drives, and KD now goes more to almost-lowpost to start his plays, makes...
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    Suns @ Spurs Saturday game thread 3-23-2024

    We finally play D like we should've all season long. No easy open looks allowed is crutial to not give their shooters confidence. Beal is now keeping his dribbles alive like a true PG and crutial to facilitate offense. 8ast to 1 TO, it's very nice. KD is getting position much closer to basket in...
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    Hawks @ Suns Thursday game thread 3-21-2024

    Agree except for the REAL PG part. Vogel seems unable to coach KD regarding how to make his ISOs more effective, given tougher defense. Many TOs were committed to feed him the ball around 3pt line, particularly with a small tough guy guarding him, particularly in the 4th qrt. We failed to...
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    Hawks @ Suns Thursday game thread 3-21-2024

    Way too many careless TOs. We couldn't defend the 3pt shots in the 1st qrt, they cooled off after that, our D improved over the game. Well, refs were trying hard to bail them out with consecutive non-sense calls on their 3pt attempts with a flagrant-1 on KD. Beal's defense on Murray was crucial...
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    Can we blame Vogel?

    For a defense minded HC, it's most disappointing that our team D has been atrocious the whole year, with exceptions of only a few games. Allen and Bol improved individually. But scramble and rotating + blocking out has been the main area of problems. Led by Book, when contracting into the middle...
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    Isaiah Thomas will sign a 10-day contract with the Suns

    Our main problem is still not a PG, but that we never consistently played defense, nor developed enough offensive game plans to maintain efficiency in face of tight physical and frequent quick double teaming defense against KD and to a lesser degree Book. And our role players are at best streaky...
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    Frank Vogel Defense

    Booker missed several shots consecutively in that time span. It's as if they have the mindset that every shot a superstar could get off in the 4th is a good shot, and they don't bother to consider alternatives anymore. The problem with this season's Suns is, KD and Book's 4th qrt shooting has...
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    The Grayson Allen thread

    Most contenders don't have more than MLE to offer Allen. I believe only Thunders habe room under cap to offer more. After all, Allen is still a role player unable to create his own shots, although an excellent one next to at least 2 superstars. That's interesting that he didn't pan out with the...
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    Suns @ Bucks Sunday game thread 3-17-24

    KD seems disinterested or lack of desire for 2 consecutive games already. His defense is mostly going through motions which made Portis, Middleton or whoever feel no pressure by his closing in. Same thing on O. Very uncharacteristic of him. It's possible Vogel lost this group completely...
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    Isaiah Thomas will sign a 10-day contract with the Suns

    Is his defense of the level of Pelicans' Alvadore? If yes, he'd definitely help.
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    Suns @ Hornets, Friday 3-15-24

    it started with Book not rotating out to open shooters on the 3pt line after scramble. it broke down the team D and renders everybody's effort meaningless.The Hornets just couldn't hit any of those open shots. Energy level from the whole team got lower with the game. Very strange.
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    Suns @ Celtics, Thur 3-14-24

    Brown did the main damage as he abused our starting players Book, Beal, Allen at will, and RO as well, and while also assisted by refs like in the BS foul call on Booker. Only JO, Roddy, Little may present good matchup, but they all are not fitting on offense yet.
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    Suns @ Celtics, Thur 3-14-24

    There is a good reason why Nets'd give up ONeale for free. He is not a reliabe 3pt shooter. He is almost another JO, with better size, a little better 3pt %, more experience, but much less athletic and less of a lock-down defender. Our main hope is that Gordon miraculously refinds his shooting...
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    Suns @ Celtics, Thur 3-14-24

    Brown has already intercepted this pass by Allen several times over our two meeting, we still always commit them, from most everybody. Damn it.
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    Suns @ Celtics, Thur 3-14-24

    They have well-run offense sets and perfect understandings among teammates. We don't, not even on defense. If we win, it's on pure talent.
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    Suns @ Celtics, Thur 3-14-24

    When not hitting, RO is just like Okogie, defense will force him to shoot the 3 while Allen hardly gets the space.

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