100% guarentee Cards will not take Sean Taylor

[Skkorpion]

100% guarantee Cards will not take Sean Taylor

If you know the Cards weaknesses and strengths, and know this draft's fit with the Cards' needs, the two top ten players we will absolutely not draft with the #3, are Sean Taylor and Gallery.

I'll go further and guarantee we will not draft Sean Taylor with any pick we might have in the first ten picks even if we end up trading down

Just like I hammered you "draft David Terrell" wonks a few years back, I offer you Taylor apologists the chance to embarrass yourselves publicly and pay the price for your delusion.

As the little guy with the big ears used to say, here's the deal:

If you sign on here in this thread as thinking we will draft Sean Taylor with any top ten pick we might have, and we do indeed draft him, I'll buy each of you a Cards trinket of your choice worth $12 or less (shot glass, magnetic helmet logo, mini football, key chain, etc...) from the Cards team shop and mail it to you.

If we don't draft Sean Taylor in the first ten picks, you give $10 to my pay pal account to help pay for prizes for the ASFN/BRS draft contest. I'll render a full public accounting of the funds right here.​

How misguided are you? Sign up and prove it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

The voice of reason speaks!

I couldn't agree more.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Skkorpion,

You need prizes for the draft contest? Just ask.

I'll offer up a $100 Money fantasy football league as one of the prizes.

 

[kerouac9]

The voice of reason speaks!

I couldn't agree more.

Please. Larry Fitzgerald, if anything, is an even worse fit for the Cards.

Skkorp, in regards to "Cardinal Strengths and Weaknesses", I think that you'll agree that the number one weakness that the Cards have, and you heard it over and over last season, was a playmaker. Definitely on defense, less so on offense. If nothing else, Sean Taylor is a playmaker of the first degree, against the run, in coverage, and in the blitz.

If the Adrian Wilson-as-cornerback experiment is successful in the minicamps, the Cards not only will have a glaring need for a defensive playmaker, but also for a strong safety. This makes it more likely that the Cards take the head-and-shoulders-best defensive player in the draft, not less so.

As for being an "apologist", I don't see what we have to apologize for. Thinking the Cards need the best defensive player in the draft and front-runner for DROY is hardly something to regret. Perhaps we can end up filing this thread in the "The Cards are going to go 10-6" and "Dennis Johnson is not going to make this team" file.

EDIT: I'm not saying that we'll draft Sean Taylor. I think that there's maybe a 8-1 chance that we will. I'm just saying that to say that drafting him makes no sense is insane.

 

[Lex]

I'm a logical kind of guy, so when Denny Green says "we'll draft the best player available regardless of need," I guess I have to believe him.

Sean Taylor does nothing for me.

Frankly, the best player in this entire draft is Robert Gallery. Period. If Gallery was lined up at RT for us this year, we'd hold the ball so long the defense would spend all their time waving to the cameras on the sideline.

Oh by the way, offensive linemen are IN EVERY offensive play during a game. Not just pass plays, not just running plays, EVERY play. Spend all the dough on those players.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I want Taylor but

I want Taylor but I don't see the Cards drafting Taylor at all. I still think Mike Williams or Fitz will fall to us at three. If they are gone, I see the Cards trading down and selecting WR Roy Williams. Some Cardinal fans might not agree, but don't be shocked when Roy Williams becomes the best deep threat the Cardinals had since another Roy by the name of Green.

GO Cardinals!!!

 

[JeffGollin]

I've learned never to bet on anything vaguely related to NFL football.

The odds favor Skkorp in this wager, because, in order to beat him, a fan has to bet that one specific player (Taylor) out of the 250 or so drafted will be the player the Cards choose.

I have no idea what the Cards will or will not do on draft day, but I still maintain that the option of drafting Taylor (assuming, of course, he's not tainted goods) is as good as any other the Cards might entertain.

The whole thing boils down to whether or not Denny was lying when he said he planned to select the best athlete regardless of position. If he truly means it, then Skkorp is wrong and need won't enter into Denny's and Rod's decision - they could actually draft Taylor as "best athlete" or they might feel that one of the two QB's or the three WR's are actually the "best athlete."

But if all Denny is doing is blowing smoke (and Skkorp is physically closer to the scene than I ever can be), it's quite possible the Cards will draft for need, and that could mean (a) a WR (Fitz, MW or RW) at #3, (b) one of the 2 - 3 QB's or (c) trading down and drafting either a CB, WR or even Wilfork with our top pick.

But what I'm having trouble fathoming is the "certainty" everyone seems to have about his prognostication being the absolute one that will actually happen.

As far as I'm concerned, it still is all one giant crap shoot. (Note - Last year, how many of us "geniuses" predicted we'd trade down and pick Pace and Johnson at #17 and #18?)

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'd rather have Wilfork than Taylor, even though I do think they're both going to be very good. The only Miami player I'd stay away from is Winslow.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Well I guess I should rephrase my reply. There is no way in hell that we draft Taylor at the #3 overall spot.

If we move back into the 10-15 range it may be a possibility.

 

[SECTION 11]

Cards have needs everywhere (except possession receiver). Too many to take this bet.

Should they? Yes, they should consider it heavily.
Will they? Completely different story.

 

[kerouac9]

Should they? Yes, they should consider it heavily.
Will they? Completely different story.

 

[Skkorpion]

Well I guess I should rephrase my reply. There is no way in hell that we draft Taylor at the #3 overall spot.

If we move back into the 10-15 range it may be a possibility.

Madcard gets it. Sean Taylor is worthy of being a first round pick. He is absolutely not worthy of being a top ten risk for us considering our other needs and the other talents available.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I like Taylor. I don't buy any of this "a safety is not worth a #3 pick baloney.
A top echelon player is worth it, I don't care what his position is.

However, having said that, I'm not sure how likely taking him really will be.
I agree with Jeff on this, in that I don't see how anyone can be "certain" of anything. The problem, as I see it, with taking him, is namely...Adrian Wilson.
Based on Wilson's comments from his interview, a while back, he doesn't appear to me all that eager to switch to CB. If he does make that switch successfully, then I think the chances of taking Taylor greatly increase.
My gut feeling just tells me, that ain't gonna happen though.
Right now I think the odds say Wilson stays at Safety. I do think his skills are more naturally suited to that.

The additional problem is that the draft occurs before the Cards are going to have a lot of time to see if the Wilson experiment succeeds. Color me skeptical on that. I just don't see Wilson's desire to do it being all that great, and I think that's an important factor that can't be overlooked.
I would expect mini camp before the draft to maybe shed a little more light on the situation. Maybe that will be enough for Green to determine the viability of that avenue.

Until then, I think the situation remains murky, at best, and certainly not worth wagering on.
There's still just too many variables and possibilities open to make anything anywhere near a sure thing.

 

[schel]

I like Taylor. I don't buy any of this "a safety is not worth a #3 pick baloney.
A top echelon player is worth it, I don't care what his position is.

I competely agree... except for kickers and punters of course, because they're not real football players I'm still laughing at the Raiders for that one.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Cards have needs everywhere (except possession receiver).

Always selling Scotty Player short, damn you 11!!! (Anyone else think Player looks like a chipmunk?)

 

[schel]

Always selling Scotty Player short, damn you 11!!! (Anyone else think Player looks like a chipmunk?)

Maybe But gotta love that face mask!

 

[RedStorm]

If you know the Cards weaknesses and strengths, and know this draft's fit with the Cards' needs, the two top ten players we will absolutely not draft with the #3, are Sean Taylor and Gallery.

I'll go further and guarantee we will not draft Sean Taylor with any pick we might have in the first ten picks even if we end up trading down

Just like I hammered you "draft David Terrell" wonks a few years back, I offer you Taylor apologists the chance to embarrass yourselves publicly and pay the price for your delusion.

As the little guy with the big ears used to say, here's the deal:

If you sign on here in this thread as thinking we will draft Sean Taylor with any top ten pick we might have, and we do indeed draft him, I'll buy each of you a Cards trinket of your choice worth $12 or less (shot glass, magnetic helmet logo, mini football, key chain, etc...) from the Cards team shop and mail it to you.

If we don't draft Sean Taylor in the first ten picks, you give $10 to my pay pal account to help pay for prizes for the ASFN/BRS draft contest. I'll render a full public accounting of the funds right here.​

How misguided are you? Sign up and prove it.

Skkorp,

Maybe not Taylor. But, I will bet you that the Card's do not take River in the first round. Will you take that one??

 

[Russ Smith]

Madcard gets it. Sean Taylor is worthy of being a first round pick. He is absolutely not worthy of being a top ten risk for us considering our other needs and the other talents available.

Missed this thread.

Taylor makes us better at a position, specifically he replaces Wilson. The difference between him and Wilson is potentially quite large, and in my mind that makes the rest of the secondary better and the overall defense better.

We paid a lot of money for Berry, it won't matter a lick if Wilson is constantly out of position again and QB's hit wide open receivers before Berry can get to the QB.

I haven't seen enough of Gallery to comment, like Lex I also put a lot of emphasis on building an OL, I wanted McKinnie 2 years ago, I wanted Fonoti etc. But the problem with OL's is like everyone else they're hard to peg. Big was a monster as a rookie, right now he's an underachiever. McKinnie was dominant at miami, he's a good not great player so far in Minnesota. Fonoti had a great rookie year, got hurt and is now being openly questioned for lack of work ethic. Gallery may be great, but it's impossible to say he's any more of a lock than Taylor.

As to the bet, I'm with others, I'm not saying we WILL pick him, I'm saying we SHOULD, entirely different.

 

[Skkorpion]

Skkorp,

Maybe not Taylor. But, I will bet you that the Card's do not take River in the first round. Will you take that one??

Depends if we trade down. I think Rivers is the best player in the draft but teams are stupid and he'll go in the first round somewhere between picks 10 to 15.

Would we take him lower down in round 1? I have no idea or feel at all.

 

[40yearfan]

What a bunch of welchers!!! Noone's willing to take Skkorp up on his bet?

I guess I'll have to be the first to step up to the plate. You're on Skkorp. If we don't pick Taylor in the top 10, I owe your Paypal account $10.00. Anyone else willing?

 

[imaCafan]

Over at ESPN they have a poll asking who the Bucs will miss the most, Johnson, Lynch, or Sapp. The poll shows Lynch was picked over Sapp, who was picked over Meshawn. So, if Lynch has a bigger impact on their defense than Sapp, and Sapp has more overall impact than Meshawn, I guess we should draft Taylor, assuming he will be as good as Lynch, if not better. Just thought I'd throw that out there......

 

[schel]

Over at ESPN they have a poll asking who the Bucs will miss the most, Johnson, Lynch, or Sapp. The poll shows Lynch was picked over Sapp, who was picked over Meshawn. So, if Lynch has a bigger impact on their defense than Sapp, and Sapp has more overall impact than Meshawn, I guess we should draft Taylor, assuming he will be as good as Lynch, if not better. Just thought I'd throw that out there......

That's some messed up application of the transitive property right there There are plenty of players in the draft that will have a bigger impact than those 3 former Bucs. You pick players because they are the best player available (or the biggest need for your team, but that's debatable). You don't pick a player because he'll make a bigger impact than 3 current players, otherwise I could use that logic to pick from many, many players in this current draft. It just doesn't work. It was an interesting idea though, trying to bring in math properties in football

 

[D-Dogg]

What do I get if I agree with you?

 

[vikesfan]

This is a sucker bet. Too many variables.
If Fitz and M Williams are gone and we don't trade down I bet we do take Taylor at #3.

 

[Southpaw]

I'm a logical kind of guy, so when Denny Green says "we'll draft the best player available regardless of need," I guess I have to believe him.

Sean Taylor does nothing for me.

Frankly, the best player in this entire draft is Robert Gallery. Period. If Gallery was lined up at RT for us this year, we'd hold the ball so long the defense would spend all their time waving to the cameras on the sideline.

Oh by the way, offensive linemen are IN EVERY offensive play during a game. Not just pass plays, not just running plays, EVERY play. Spend all the dough on those players.

And.... How many Robert Gallery / Iowa games did you see this year to come to that conclusion?