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As long as we're on the topic - Woud D Johnson's running style fit the Kingsbury offense. better than the quicker but smaller Chase Edmonds?

First I think it should be said that David Johnson is better in ANY offense than Chase Edmonds.

I think it is impossible to say for sure what Kingsbury’s offense will really look like, both because he is so innovative that he probably would design something difference from his last couple of years, but also because he simply can’t run the same stuff in the NFL as in college. The field is different, the rules are different, so it’s just impossible to do the same. Another thing is that Kingsbury ran somewhat different offenses based on which players he had available.

If I am going by how Kingsbury’s offense looked the last two seasons, I would say it should fit David Johnson well. The offense includes a lot of short passes where the pass catcher needs to create something himself after the catch, and the blocking schemes should create holes for him as well.

That’s not to say that Chase Edmonds can’t have success, by the way. For instance, at Texas Tech they ran a lot of misdirection plays where Edmonds could certainly be effective.

A little (but not irrelevant) detail is how Texas Tech used the so-called “RPO-play” under Kingsbury. RPO’s has been a trend in the NFL for the last couple of years. In the play, the quarterback reads one defensive end and based on what that defender does, the quarterback either hands the ball off to his runningback or throw the ball himself. Usually (like in 8 or 9 times out of 10) the primary goal is to run the ball, but since that isn’t always a good idea, the playcaller gives the quarterback some pass options he can utilize if need be. In Kingsbury’s offense it is the reverse way in that the primary goal is to throw the ball, but since that can be troubling at times, the quarterback has some run options as well. The defenses certainly know this, and it can often create bigger running lanes because the defense is thinking “pass” first when they see the offense lining up to run an RPO.
 

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I would have loved to see the following coaches on the cards staff as assistant coaches. They have all produced great NFL talent and are inexpensive.

Clemson DL coach
Todd Bates
https://clemsontigers.com/coaches/todd-bates/

LSU DB coach
Corey Raymond
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=205388651


Clemson OC as the Cards Offensive Asst.

Clemson has produced great offensive talent and has one of the best offenses in the country.

Tony Elliot
https://clemsontigers.com/coaches/tony-elliott/



Iowa TE/OL Coach Brain Ferentz also was on Pats coaching staff.

Iowa has 2 of the top 4 TE in the draft.

SF TE also came from this program.
Asst TE/OL Coach (mainly TE)

https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1414

Assistants on top College programs are often paid better than their NFL equivalent. Elliott for instance takes home about $1 million annually at Clemson. Josh McDaniels was the highest paid OC in the NFL last year and he made just over $2 million (although reports say it will reach $4 million by the end of the contract).

I didn't know that myself until I met a guy who was an assistant at Cincy and got a pay raise to do the same job at the University of Arkansas.
 
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FYI: David Johnson was split out on 19% of his snaps in his two big years and just 7% last season.

Yes, and I find it hard to believe that a guy who have been a major success calling innovative offensive plays (albeit in college) can’t figure out how to deploy a weapon like David Johnson in effective ways.
 

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Assistants on top College programs are often paid better than their NFL equivalent. Elliott for instance takes home about $1 million annually at Clemson. Josh McDaniels was the highest paid OC in the NFL last year and he made just over $2 million (although reports say it will reach $4 million by the end of the contract).

I didn't know that myself until I met a guy who was an assistant at Cincy and got a pay raise to do the same job at the University of Arkansas.

I think I read that Clemson is paying their DC $2.5 million per year. That is more than a lot of college head coaches.
 

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Assistants on top College programs are often paid better than their NFL equivalent. Elliott for instance takes home about $1 million annually at Clemson. Josh McDaniels was the highest paid OC in the NFL last year and he made just over $2 million (although reports say it will reach $4 million by the end of the contract).

I didn't know that myself until I met a guy who was an assistant at Cincy and got a pay raise to do the same job at the University of Arkansas.

Lots of college coaches make huge sums but these are coaches that may be worth the chance.

Tony Elliot
$850,000

OC for one of the best college offenses in years. Help groom a true freshman to a championship. He is the highest paid but with his proven track record why not.



Todd Bates
$300,000

Has 3 maybe 4 DL getting drafted in 2019 a few might go in RD 1

Corey Raymond
460,000

Countless CB have made it onto NFL rosters under his teachings. Two or three in this draft including Greedy who may be the best CB in the draft.

Brain Ferentz
685,000

Two of the top four TE will come from his program.

These are some of the best technique coaches in football as they produce quality NFL level talent year after year.

Bates and Raymond seem like steals.
 

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Lots of college coaches make huge sums but these are coaches that may be worth the chance.

Tony Elliot
$850,000

OC for one of the best college offenses in years. Help groom a true freshman to a championship. He is the highest paid but with his proven track record why not.



Todd Bates
$300,000

Has 3 maybe 4 DL getting drafted in 2019 a few might go in RD 1

Corey Raymond
460,000

Countless CB have made it onto NFL rosters under his teachings. Two or three in this draft including Greedy who may be the best CB in the draft.

Brain Ferentz
685,000

Two of the top four TE will come from his program.

These are some of the best technique coaches in football as they produce quality NFL level talent year after year.

Bates and Raymond seem like steals.

Bates is literally working with 5 star recruits.

And the level of coaching in the NFL versus college isn't nearly the same. College teams get a lot less time than pro teams.

It's a massive fallacy to think any of these guys could replicate their success at the NFL level.
 

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Lots of college coaches make huge sums but these are coaches that may be worth the chance.

Tony Elliot
$850,000

OC for one of the best college offenses in years. Help groom a true freshman to a championship. He is the highest paid but with his proven track record why not.

Elliott just got a bump to over $1 million
 

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I would have loved to see the following coaches on the cards staff as assistant coaches. They have all produced great NFL talent and are inexpensive.

Clemson DL coach
Todd Bates
https://clemsontigers.com/coaches/todd-bates/

LSU DB coach
Corey Raymond
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=205388651


Clemson OC as the Cards Offensive Asst.

Clemson has produced great offensive talent and has one of the best offenses in the country.

Tony Elliot
https://clemsontigers.com/coaches/tony-elliott/



Iowa TE/OL Coach Brain Ferentz also was on Pats coaching staff.

Iowa has 2 of the top 4 TE in the draft.

SF TE also came from this program.
Asst TE/OL Coach (mainly TE)

https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1414

You realize these college assistants usually make more money, right? Those donors have open checkbooks to keep those coaching staffs together.

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