2 Homes in Anthem- must sell!

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MigratingOsprey said:
given all the factors (building, popluation growth, undervalued market, etc) the jump up in prices was the correction

with that said, there is a lot of good value in TX, if you can stand living there - my brother hated Houston and is back in Abq (which he also hates, but not as much as Houston) - complained about how bad all the schools were, the humidity, the bugs and constant dust/dirt
Bad schools, dust, dirt? Sounds a lot like Phoenix except in Phoenix you get constant construction and daily smog alerts as a bonus.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0618marketbottom0618.html
 

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when he first moved there he loved it, then started to describe his days as - woke up, sweat, had dirt stick the sweat, showered, had trouble drying off from shower, saw bugs from shower, went outside to get stuff to kill bugs, had dirt stick to sweat again ............. etc
 

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MigratingOsprey said:
given all the factors (building, popluation growth, undervalued market, etc) the jump up in prices was the correction

You didn't include wages in your factors....and THAT makes our market whacked.
 

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Hard to say Jon. About 2 years ago was the time to buy.

Since then, the real estate market has gone absolutely nuts here. Housing prices went up 40%, tons of people speculating on turning property into rentals, buy and sell "flipping", and apartments are being turned into condos.

But now with interest rates going up, the speculators are getting burned. So may be a slight drop in prices, but a down real estate market tends to mean the property is on sale longer rather than a drastic drop in price.

Same thing is happening here, Bob. I bought my house four years ago right before the boom hit Jersey. Prices started rising fast and people were buying. Now that the interest rates are increasing, people aren't buying here. Houses are sitting in my development, but all of them are overpriced, which explains everything.

I know when I go to sell my house the real estate people will want to price it at $200K (I bought it for $115K.) I don't want the thing sitting forever. Drop the price to $190K and I'll take $180K. Sounds logical to me.
 

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marathon_mom said:
Thanks SOH. I know there won't be any quick sales. Last I heard, there were over 700 homes for sale in Anthem. Thank God I'm not in their position. I'd hate to be paying two hefty mortgages with little hope of selling. At least his boss is flexible as to when they move to Memphis.

I'm just the messenger. I told her I'd post it. Best I can do.

I know a really good realtor!! cough, cough, ... Me!!
 

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Linderbee said:
You didn't include wages in your factors....and THAT makes our market whacked.

not really - what makes our market whacked is the lack of "real" entry level houses - in more established cities this is filled with townhomes, condos, fixer uppers, etc - since prices were so low out here a starter house was often 1600 feet 4 bed and 2 bath - that just isn't the norm and we were lucky to have it for as long as we did
 

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Jersey Girl Cards Fan said:
I know when I go to sell my house the real estate people will want to price it at $200K (I bought it for $115K.) I don't want the thing sitting forever. Drop the price to $190K and I'll take $180K. Sounds logical to me.

That makes sense to me but most people don't use real logic... That is why "deal or no deal" gets to pay out such little amounts because the people just won't stop...

They put the house on the market way to high, it does not sell, they don't lower, it sits longer, they end up with more out of pocket expenses, deals of the new home fall through, contigiency deals fall through... they still leave the price up, then they wonder what they are going to do...

My buddy here wanted to sell his CA house and buy in Texas... he lost 2 good faith deposits, had to take out survival loans (quit his job because the market was SOOO good :doi: ). Put the house up initially for 690,000 and it finally sold for 580,000. If he would have started it at 620,000 they would have bid it up to an acceptable price, took him nearly 9 months to sell, every month the prices dropped by 2 to 4%...

Lost $110 k in selling prices, 2 X $5000 in good faith deposits, interest on a new loan...

Deal or no Deal???
 

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marathon_mom said:
It would appear that the crazy Californians are who created this lovely real estate market in AZ. They make a small fortune on their 2 bedroom bungalow in Cali, then move here & are able to pay more with their huge down payments. Forcing home prices thru the roof. :mad:

I only say this because 1) every realtor I know has told me this and 2) my friends that are now in this prediciment, did exactly that. Came from Cali. with money bags. Now it's dwindling away on 2 mortgage payments.

This is happening where I live, Bend, Oregon. Damn Californians are coming here in droves. The median price here is $350,000+ almost double what it was just 5 years ago. It has become a big problem for long time residents who work low paying jobs, which is about 70% of the jobs here. Trailor parks are shutting down, cost of living is going up etc. Hell, I am making 45K and still can't afford a house. I either need to marry or move back to the city. Yuppies suck!!
 

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I think a lot of what you are seeing is the result of the baby boomer generation starting to retire. They got rich in the 80s, richer in the 90s, survived the early '00s, and now are moving from the cities where their career was located to a new place to retire.

You are seeing the same thing in Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington.
 

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Originally Posted by marathon_mom
It would appear that the crazy Californians are who created this lovely real estate market in AZ. They make a small fortune on their 2 bedroom bungalow in Cali, then move here & are able to pay more with their huge down payments. Forcing home prices thru the roof. :mad:

I don't know if that is wholly accurate... I think people who move to AZ, like my family and I are going to do (Goodyear) are not responsible for the major uptick... Families that "cash in" out here are buying houses out there to have a better quality of life.

IMO, what has created the overprice is ridiculously low, low rates, for when rates are low more people want to buy a house and that usually creates a lower supply with higher demand. Now couple that with the real problem: major speculators that buy mass amounts of property as investments and when the rates go up (like they have been) they start dumping all of their properties to maximize their investments.

People like my family look at this as an opportunity to have something better. Why pay a $500,000 mortgage when you can "cash in" (like many retirees do all the time) and go to AZ where its cheaper, have a brand newhouse and paying a 200,000 mortgage with the profit we made here in CA.

When we move to AZ we are not setting the market, we are paying what the Market in AZ dictated to us... Now the flip side here is, if we move to Goodyear and the market severly corrects, say 25-30 percent, then my family would stand to lose more than 100,000 in cash. But, still,--if people are in it for the long haul at the house they buy in AZ, overtime the house will retrun to the purchase value, IMO...
 

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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
IMO, what has created the overprice is ridiculously low, low rates, for when rates are low more people want to buy a house and that usually creates a lower supply with higher demand. Now couple that with the real problem: major speculators that buy mass amounts of property as investments and when the rates go up (like they have been) they start dumping all of their properties to maximize their investments...

Now this is very true... "some" realtors are to blame as well... I went to check out that thrashed house with the 25% lack of ceiling in the living room again this weekend, the highest bid is from the listing agent... He told me that this will be his fifth fixer upper that he will have bought this year, if his bid is accepted... So right off the bat he gets a 25,000 dollar discount, because he will be the listing agent, and buying agent, and he will waive those fees to himself...

Total crap in my opinion...
 

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In some ways, LIAC, she is right, though. Californians come in and think NOTHING of paying $250k for a house here (that really isn't worth that). If the home is listed at, say, $250k, they'll offer $255 for it, to ensure they get the home (yes, they offer OVER list price). Part of an appraisal is "what the market will bear". If people are willing to pay it, then in part, that is what the market will bear. Most appraisers try to meet the sales price--unless it's WAY out of line. So, it's a snowball effect. House 'x' sold for $255, then house 'y' can probably pull $256 - $260--and it just keeps going up from there. I don't think Shannon was really trying to "blame" Californians--Any one of us Arizonans would do the exact same thing in the same situation. It just sucks for those of us that need to buy now, when the homes that could easily be afforded two years ago are now WAY out of reach.
 

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Linderbee said:
. It just sucks for those of us that need to buy now, when the homes that could easily be afforded two years ago are now WAY out of reach.
But its like this in the majority of states in the US rightnow, including CA... We were lucky, my wife and I bought our first house in 2000 before the market went nuts, then sold that house and bought a bigger one 1 1/2 later... Last I read, only 15% to18% of the people in CA can actually affford to buy a home with a traditional loan.
 

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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
But its like this in the majority of states in the US rightnow, including CA... We were lucky, my wife and I bought our first house in 2000 before the market went nuts, then sold that house and bought a bigger one 1 1/2 later... Last I read, only 15% to18% of the people in CA can actually affford to buy a home with a traditional loan.

It's been like that here in Jersey for a while, but things are starting to slow down.
 

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Linderbee said:
Houston's the only place in Texas that I would ever consider living. It's a gorgeous home.
I have been to both Houston and Austin and I really liked Austin. Seems like nice place to live. I did not like Houston... dirty, muggy, huge. Moreover, Houston is only 2 hour drive from Austin.
 

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Don't believe that crap about the Anthem housing market...My father passed away a few years ago, and I had to sell his house in Anthem. My real estate agent wanted me to drop my asking price by $25,000, and I told him NO...The house sold in 36 days at my asking price.

What most people don't realize is that most of the high priced homes are bought as winter/spring homes...The money will come, you just have to be a little patient.

If you need a good real estate agent(not the one I used), I'd be happy to give you his #...He made a ton of $ off of selling Tremonto(sp?) homes and Anthem homes...He used to live in the Anthem CC, but has now moved to Sedona.
 

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Linderbee said:
Houston's the only place in Texas that I would ever consider living. It's a gorgeous home.

I'm in the same boat as Desert Dogs--I finally have my credit repaired enough to buy, but I don't make NEAR enough money to really be able to afford to live in a decent neighborhood in the Phoenix area. I sure could afford that home in Houston.... :(

That's pretty much the boat my wife and I are in. Her credit is good, but mine is finally in the state of repair (before school loans kick in, ha!).

I've come to notice, the houses that are close to being in our price range are getting gobbled up quick or an hour north.
 

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June was cold month for resales

Glen Creno
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Jul. 13, 2006 12:00 AM


The Valley's resale housing market took a hard fall in June, its worst performance for the month since 2000 and clear evidence that buyers sat out the start of the crucial summer selling season.

Housing has been soft this year as prices and mortgage rates have climbed, and the market looks especially weak compared with last year's buying frenzy.

The number of homes for sale and the time it takes to sell them keeps increasing, outpacing even more "normal" years of 2003 and 2004, and the monthly selling reports look dismal. advertisement




There were 5,460 existing Valley homes sold in June, down more than 20 percent from May and a nearly 25 percent drop since this year's market peak in March, according to the Arizona Real Estate Center at Arizona State University Polytechnic.

"It was a lot weaker than I thought it would be," said Jay Butler, head of the Real Estate Center. "I see a lot of for-sale signs staying up. I'm seeing homes that are on their third agent. Homes are getting initial drive-by activity from buyers, then nothing."

For the year, sales are down 38 percent from 2005's record levels. They also are 25 percent below 2004 sales levels.

Results were mixed in Valley cities from May to June. Prices fell in Chandler, Peoria and Mesa, stayed flat in Phoenix and jumped the most in Scottsdale. Sales were down in most big Valley municipalities with the exception of Gilbert, where sales were essentially flat.

One piece of good news in Butler's latest report would appear to be the median sales price, up incrementally from May to a new a record of $267,000. Yet that is misleading because sales are down and high-dollar closings are skewing the total: Nearly 40 percent of the houses that sold last month cost more than $300,000. Only 17 percent of June sales fell in the $125,000-to-$199,999 range, and that makes it harder for first-timers to find a house they can afford. In the first three months of 2005, 38 percent of homes sold were in the $125,000-to-$199,999 range; 25 percent were above $300,000.

Affordability is the dark side of the Valley's housing boom. Prices have jumped beyond the reach of first-time buyers, the rank-and-file consumers who constitute the backbone of city services and their businesses: teachers, firefighters, resort workers.

Tim Sullivan, a national housing analyst with San Diego-based Sullivan Group, says about 40 percent of Valley households can afford the typical resale house, compared with the national average of 50 percent. He said that the figure isn't alarming but that Phoenix-area housing traditionally has mirrored national trends.

"The closer we are to reflecting the national numbers, the more diverse and elastic we are in the housing market," he said.

Agents and others close to the market say that prices have been falling and that buyers hold the leverage in negotiations, with some sellers offering incentives to make their properties stand out in the crowd of listings.

John Foltz, president of Realty Executives, thinks resale prices will fall 10 to 12 percent this year but said that prices rose 40 percent last year.

"This is a very healthy adjustment," he said.

Single-family homes took an average of about 60 days to sell in May, the latest figures from the Arizona Regional Multiple Listing Service. There were 41,797 homes on the market in the statewide database that reflects mainly Phoenix-area housing. Last year, there were 9,451 single-family listings in May and houses sold in an average of about 25 days.

Home builders have been blaming the local resale market for some of their troubles, saying that their buyers are canceling deals because they can't get what they want for their existing homes. Now, resale experts are saying that builders are messing up their market by dumping so many built-but-not-sold homes on the market with outsize buying incentives.

"There are (resale) homes out there selling for more than the brand-new home is selling for, and it's in nicer shape and they're offering the pool," said Margie O'Campo de Castillo of Arizona Dream Realty in Phoenix. "Who could say no to that? . . . It's going to be this way until the builders take these incentives back."

Bill Ryan of Re/Max Achievers in Chandler said resale prices are down 15 to 20 percent in some areas compared with last year as the market has made "dramatic adjustments" in the past 60 to 90 days. He thinks the market is fairly valued as long as interest rates don't jump too high.

"I'm not saying we are out of the woods yet," he said. "There is so much property on the market that it is a very strong buyers market. It has done a 180 turn to what it was a year ago."
 

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That's the point though...high end houses are still selling quickly...And most Anthem houses are high end houses, with a brand new high school, Library, hiking trails, huge community center/water park, country club, and 2 golf courses...I wouldn't budge a bit on my asking price, if I were selling up there.
 

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