2 Interesting Articles: D'Antoni Rips Phx Mgmt and Boris to Knicks?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

sarvers comment:

"whats the point in having a GM if he has no say in anything?"

Well ask Phil Jackson if Mitch Kupchak tells him how to handle his players. Ask Greg Popovich if RC Buford tells him how to practice with his players. The best coaches arent told how to practice or coach by the GM's in the top organizations. I doubt Larry Brown is being told by MJ how to coach either, since MJ doesnt have a clue how to coach. the same could be said of Kerr, he doesnt have a clue how to coach, and unlike Buford and kupchak, the jury is out on whether he nows how to GM, but the JRich trade is a good start.

Blow things out of proportion much? Where did sarver say he was telling dantoni how to manage his players? It sounds like the PLAYERS were circumventing Dantoni to complain to SarvKerr about how Dantoni gives special treatment to certain players. Did you miss that part?

How is Kerr supposed to react to that? You expected him to NOT address Dantoni when players are coming to him to complain?

You dont tell coaches how to do things if there isnt a problem, and unbeknownst to yourself, all 3 of your coaching examples are of CHAMPIONSHIP COACHES.

They also let HIM decide the coaching assistants even thought they truly wanted thibideau(sp?). And what has been the criticism of the suns for the last 4 years? No defense! Im not saying the solution has been 100% effective thus far, but they were taking steps to address the BLATANT problems of the team. That is what management and ownership does.

Didnt Kupchak get involved in a huge ordeal in the summer of 2007 because kobe was lashing out at the team/management? Did he pawn it off on Jackson because it was his issue? No! He is the GM!

Dantoni failed as a GM and peaked as a coach here. This is as obvious as it gets.

My final straw for Dantoni was when he decided to play Shaq at the high post for the first two weeks until the roar of analysts was so overwhelming he had to use common sense.

 

[nashman]

Agree nowagimp Kerr shouldn't be telling Mike how to coach what the hell does Kerr know? And Sarver, whatever I listened to it and he spun it like the front office did nothing wrong what else would you expect this fool to say? Mike did the right thing for himself he got off the sinking ship and made lots of money doing it. Now NY will get to see exciting basketball for however long he is there, and we will...well we don't really know what the heck Porter and Kerr are trying to do, think they don't know what to do, hence the 180 now we have to speed it up.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I dunno if it has been stated yet (just got done reading page 2) but just for the record, what kerr told marion was something along the lines of "You are not getting paid the same money as Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett" and I put emphasis on him mentioning those two players. This was his answer to marion asking for 20 million per. That is not word for word but close.

Personally, I find marion asking for 20 million almost insulting ESPECIALLY considering our teams cap situation at the time, so if anything I want to congratulate Kerr on launching a salvo right back at Mr. Egomaniac McThunderCats.

YOUKNOWWHATIMSAYIN'

 

[nashman]

Blow things out of proportion much? Where did sarver say he was telling dantoni how to manage his players? It sounds like the PLAYERS were circumventing Dantoni to complain to SarvKerr about how Dantoni gives special treatment to certain players. Did you miss that part?

How is Kerr supposed to react to that? You expected him to NOT address Dantoni when players are coming to him to complain?

You dont tell coaches how to do things if there isnt a problem, and unbeknownst to yourself, all 3 of your coaching examples are of CHAMPIONSHIP COACHES.

They also let HIM decide the coaching assistants even thought they truly wanted thibideau(sp?). And what has been the criticism of the suns for the last 4 years? No defense! Im not saying the solution has been 100% effective thus far, but they were taking steps to address the BLATANT problems of the team. That is what management and ownership does.

Didnt Kupchak get involved in a huge ordeal in the summer of 2007 because kobe was lashing out at the team/management? Did he pawn it off on Jackson because it was his issue? No! He is the GM!

Dantoni failed as a GM and peaked as a coach here. This is as obvious as it gets.

My final straw for Dantoni was when he decided to play Shaq at the high post for the first two weeks until the roar of analysts was so overwhelming he had to use common sense.

Your reading into Sarvers comments way to much and just assuming he is telling the truth. Who has more reason to lie Dantoni whos gone and has no reason to lie, or Sarver the big moron thats letting this all happen to the Suns. Its spin pur and simple I don't believe Sarver why should I what has he done to deserve us just taking his word?

 

[Cheesebeef]

sarvers comment:

"whats the point in having a GM if he has no say in anything?"

Well ask Phil Jackson if Mitch Kupchak tells him how to handle his players. Ask Greg Popovich if RC Buford tells him how to practice with his players. The best coaches arent told how to practice or coach by the GM's in the top organizations. I doubt Larry Brown is being told by MJ how to coach either, since MJ doesnt have a clue how to coach. the same could be said of Kerr, he doesnt have a clue how to coach, and unlike Buford and kupchak, the jury is out on whether he nows how to GM, but the JRich trade is a good start.

you know why the above has no relevance whatsoever... Jackson, Pop and Brown all WON TITLES and Jackson and Brown won EVERYWHERE they went and won big. Mike doesn't even come CLOSE to having the cache that those guys do. my goodness.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your reading into Sarvers comments way to much and just assuming he is telling the truth. Who has more reason to lie Dantoni whos gone and has no reason to lie,

right... the jilted ex-lover (which is the role DA's playing here) never says anything bad about the other person.

or Sarver the big moron thats letting this all happen to the Suns. Its spin pur and simple I don't believe Sarver why should I what has he done to deserve us just taking his word?

that's a good point as well.

I'd take both of their comments with a grain of salt but the whole way DA presented the Marion scenario sounds like such sour grapes BS that i'm inclined to believe Sarver's take on the situation... and believe me, I'm not one to just swallow Suns management's spin. I've called them out numerous times on a ton of stuff since DA left, but again, DA's stuff just sounds like bitter slanted comments coming from a jilted ex-girlfriend/boyfriend.

 

[CaptainInsano]

This is a disturbing thread but im glad the marion drama was confirmed.

Anyone blaming Kerr for Marion feeling under appreciated must not have been following this team for the last 4 years. Expecting Kerr to abide by marion's fragile, over inflated ego is ridiculous, and anyone who thinks their extension discussion started out with "youre not as good as you think you are" must be huffing paint. That's how it ended folks, not started. When a 12 million dollar player is making 17, and asks for 20, why in the WORLD would you expect a GM to cater to his emotions. This is a money negotiation, not a personality review. If marion is going to act like an ignorant businessman in a budget discussion, he is not going to get what he wants. Period.

Anyone mad that Dantoni isnt here anymore and thinks we could have won it all this season with him has also not been following this team for the last 4 years.

Whatever happened has happened because a new GM saw changes needed to be made and a few regular pieces of the puzzle didnt want to budge from their old thought processes.

Bingo!

I would like to make a point I have wanted to make for about 2 years about marion. When you think of someone like KG, Kobe, Amare and the like you think of players who want to win a championship and compete first and foremost. They get pissed off when they lose. Their priorities are:
1. Win a championship
2. Win a championship
3. Win a championship
4. Make a lot of money
5. Be the man

That is not the case with Marion. It never seemed to be the case. Players like Marion's priorities are as follows:
1. Make a lot of money
2. Make a lot of money
3-25. Make a lot of money
26. Be the man
27. Be the man
28-50.Be the man
51. Watch teenage mutant ninja turtles tonight
52. Win a championship

I started to develop a pure disgust with that about Marion. How many times did you hear him talk about winning a championship? Zip. Improving the team chemistry or working together or reaching a higher goal? Zip. But when it came to getting media recognition, being under-appreciated, and cash? Well you couldn't get him to shut his fricking pie hole up about it.

Yeah, there might be some big issues with shaqs personality, but I will take him over marion 100 times. No, make that 1000 times.

Good riddance.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bingo!

I would like to make a point I have wanted to make for about 2 years about marion. When you think of someone like KG, Kobe, Amare and the like you think of players who want to win a championship and compete first and foremost. They get pissed off when they lose. Their priorities are:
1. Win a championship
2. Win a championship
3. Win a championship
4. Make a lot of money
5. Be the man

That is not the case with Marion. It never seemed to be the case. Players like marions priorities are as fallows:
1. Make a lot of money
2. Make a lot of money
3-25. Make a lot of money
26. Be the man
27. Be the man
28-50.Be the man
51. Watch teenage mutant ninja turtles tonight
52. Win a championship

I started to develop a pure disgust with that about Marion. How many times did you hear him talk about winning a championship? Zip. Improving the team chemistry or working together or reaching a higher goal? Zip. But when it came to getting media recognition, being under-appreciated, and cash? Well you couldn't get him to shut his fricking pie hole up about it.

Yeah, there might be some big issues with shaqs personality, but I will take him over marion 100 times. No, make that 1000 times.

Good riddance.

i wouldn't put Amare in that sentence with Kobe and KG. The more I see (and hear) of Amare, unfortunately the more I see of Marion. "I want to be the man". "I should be getting more endorsement". "I need to change agents because I don't get recognized enough"... all while giving lip service about getting better defensively. Amare may talk the good talk about improving and team chemistry and the like, but he's yet to walk the walk and the more I hear him talk, the more he turns me off.

 

[CaptainInsano]

That is a good point, I sure hope you are wrong!

At least though in years past Amare talked a lot about winning a championship. Never EVER heard anything of that sort from Marion.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Your reading into Sarvers comments way to much and just assuming he is telling the truth. Who has more reason to lie Dantoni whos gone and has no reason to lie, or Sarver the big moron thats letting this all happen to the Suns. Its spin pur and simple I don't believe Sarver why should I what has he done to deserve us just taking his word?

Why would you not believe Sarver is telling the truth? His story and DAntoni's stories don't conflict. They're just two different perspectives on the same events. I don't like Sarver but I am not going to assume he is lying unless there is evidence for it.

Kerr told Marion he wasn't worth a max extension. DAntoni says that you don't tell a player that.

Kerr asked for a little more D in order to improve. MD didn't like it.

I think the real deal is that Mike knew he had gone as far as he was going to go with this team. He also knew that he didn't know how to coach a team with Shaq on it. So he took a rebuilding opportunity. He can be the popular guy in NY that puts an entertaining team on the court.

He won't win a championship there unless he changes his stubborn ways.

 

[JS22]

sarvers comment:

"whats the point in having a GM if he has no say in anything?"

Well ask Phil Jackson if Mitch Kupchak tells him how to handle his players. Ask Greg Popovich if RC Buford tells him how to practice with his players. The best coaches arent told how to practice or coach by the GM's in the top organizations. I doubt Larry Brown is being told by MJ how to coach either, since MJ doesnt have a clue how to coach. the same could be said of Kerr, he doesnt have a clue how to coach, and unlike Buford and kupchak, the jury is out on whether he nows how to GM, but the JRich trade is a good start.

Pretty sure he's talking about personnel / coach hiring decisions.