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Who is the #1 pick?

Just looking for opinions. Should we take Upton or go with the best pitcher who ever that is? I feel this is a great question even if we do sign Stephen Drew.
 

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Me, I would probably opt for the top pitcher, esp a starter, because Upton's defense is weak and he's expected to have to go to the outfield - and we have several very strong OF prospects, but are pretty thin on really hot starting pitchers - it's hard to have too many of those. If we don't get Drew (BA still thinks we will) then we might look for a real infield prospect - someone with excellent defense and good plate discipline, if such a creature exists.

But a couple things would factor in - I know a few of the top pitching prospects have Boras as their agent, and we should probably pass on his clients unless someone is so mind-blowingly good you'd happily break the bank for him - that said, so far none of the best pitching prospects look quite THAT good. Not sure who Upton's agent is, for that matter, but however promising he may actually be, a lot of what a team will be paying for is the cloud of hype.
 

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It would be mistake taking a pitcher that high, especially a high school pitcher. They're not worth it.
 

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Neither are most of the position players. It's pretty common for the highest bonus-babies not to really pan out. (Which is one reason I've been lukewarm on Drew.) Several GMs and scouts interviewed a few months ago said #1 is probably more hassle and more expense than it's worth most years, but Mike Rizzo said as long as he's got to do it, he plans to have a good time shopping.

There are 2-3 good-looking college starting pitchers right now - Pelfrey, Hochevar - and the research surprisingly shows that there isn't actually that much difference in the long-term success of drafting the very top HS pitchers vs. the top college pitchers. About 40% in both cases 'succeed' by eventually making the Major Leagues. (That says nothing about excelling once there.)
 

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Draft Upton. So far, there do not seem to be any pitchers that are viable with the #1 pick, according to some prospect sources.
 

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We may get a rare chance to see some of the top college prospects this year -

The National Hockey League's loss is college baseball's gain, as ESPN will televise regular-season games for the first time since 1990 in part as replacement programming.

ESPN unveiled a 2005 college baseball schedule that includes 29 games beginning April 8, with 16 games on ESPN or ESPN2 and 13 on its newest channel, ESPNU. At least two more games were planned but had not been confirmed.

ESPNU also will show games from two NCAA regional sites, and will televise super-regional games that are not seen on ESPN or ESPN2.

Goes on to say the SEC schools refused to participate unless they got money, although when they play at one of the other conferences we might get a glimpse.
 

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June Draft Thread

Here is the current ranking of college players. I have liked the numbers Hochevar and Pelfrey are putting up. BA's top 50 college predraft

While the No. 1 overall talent remains prep shortstop/outfielder Justin Upton, the top of the college crop has seen only a subtle reorganization since the season began. The names remain the same, only with Tennessee righthander Luke Hochevar moving past his former Team USA rotation mate, Wichita State's Mike Pelfrey, to the top spot among pitchers.

Pelfrey throws harder more consistently than Hochevar, touching 96 mph regularly with his fastball, but Hochevar's command and steady four-pitch mix have earned universal raves from scouts this spring. Pelfrey was impressive in two starts in mid-March, particularly in 1-0 loss to Cesar Ramos and Long Beach State.

The biggest red flag for either pitcher is their representation. Hochevar and Pelfrey join several other top pitchers in the '05 class--such as Baylor's Mark McCormick, Georgia Tech's Jason Neighborgall and St. John's Craig Hansen--in having agent Scott Boras as their adviser. Georgia Tech shortstop Tyler Greene, Texas catcher Taylor Teagarden and Arizona State first baseman/outfielder Jeff Larish are among the other possible top picks who are Boras clients.

"There's no discount with any of those guys," one scouting director noted dryly.

The AL scouting director added, "Hochevar and Pelfrey will get what they want in the top 10 picks, as long as they don't ask for the moon."
 
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I am curious how weaver stacks up against the talent coming into the draft. (assuming the angels wont change thier mind and sign him). Same with drew. Do we draft Upton? Weaver? Drew? (yeah right), or other???
 

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I hear the DBacks had 15-20 players in final predraft workouts at BOB today. MAN I would love to have been lunching at Friday's - wish we could get the same kind of inside info and reporting people seem to get for NBA and NFL draft prospects.
 
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June 1: Justin Upton At The Hot Corner?
by Alan Matthews
Baseball America

Justin Upton remains the top prospect in this year's draft class, though he has struggled making accurate throws from shortstop consistently. He has at times shifted over to third base this season for his Great Bridge High team, which advanced in the Virginia Class 3-A playoffs with a win Monday May 30, when Upton played third base. "He's been balancing between short and third and third is where he's made all the plays," Upton's coach Wiley Lee said. "For whatever reason he makes that throw from third with ease and when we drop him back to short, he does well.
"(Third base) is more reactionary. And there's not as many angles so he doesn't have a lot the things to worry about. Justin never had throwing issues (as a sophomore and junior). And I just think early on it was a thing where with 30 scouts there and they weren't there to see his brother, they were there to see him. Now he's used to it and focused.
"He knew he wasn't thrilled about (not) throwing the way he was even capable of doing," said Lee, who added opposing teams' righthanded hitters have often pulled balls down the line, making Upton valuable at third. "He got to third and he made some plays that we just don’t win without him making those plays and that other third baseman don't even come close to making."

OK, we have our SS of the future in Drew - a CF/3rd base option sounds very useful to me.
 

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Good news on the Upton front...

June 3: Sources Say D'backs Want Upton
by Jim Callis and Kevin Goldstein

Two baseball sources say the Diamondbacks have told them they will use the No. 1 overall pick Tuesday on Great Bridge High (Chesapeake, Va.) shortstop Justin Upton. That would make Upton and his brother B.J., who went second overall to the Devil Rays in 2002, the highest-drafted siblings in draft history. The other players known to be under consideration by Arizona are college righthanders Craig Hansen (St. John's), Luke Hochevar (Tennessee) and Mike Pelfrey (Wichita State). The Diamondbacks signed former Florida State shortstop Stephen Drew to a $5.5 million major league contract four days ago, so Upton, who has had some defensive struggles at that position, could be their center fielder of the future. We'll have an updated mock first round at baseballamerica.com on Monday.
 

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06/06/2005 9:00 AM ET
Scouts poring over draft data
Evaluation of top prospects continues as big day nears
By Jonathan Mayo / MLB.com

Think of the draft as a reality show. For the last several months -- years even -- amateur players have been handling numerous tasks, jockeying for position to be given a shot at a professional career.

Call it "The Phenom." This weekend was the penultimate episode of the show, with scouts of all levels hitting the boardroom (sorry, Mr. Trump) to figure out who the next phenom will be for their respective organizations.

At the same time, many of the participants/prospects are working on their final task before the show's big Draft Day finale on Tuesday and Wednesday. There are some high school playoff games still being played here and there throughout the country, but the main events are the 16 Regionals marking the start of the NCAA Division I Baseball Championship that concludes with the College World Series in Omaha.

"We're there scouting them," one NL scouting executive said. "The process continues right up until the draft. As the Regionals are going on, we're there.

"College players move up the board as we get closer to the draft."

Some of that is because of these last looks in pressure situations, some of it comes as a result of teams deciding to minimize risk to go with a player who might get to the bigs faster rather than perhaps the player with the higher ceiling. But as the updated projection of the first round shows, there seems to be more college players -- particularly on the mound -- moving into the opening-round picture.

Nowhere is the debate more intriguing than right at the top. Even with some defensive questions and a position move in high school, shortstop Justin Upton is still considered to be the top all-around talent in this year's draft class. And it seemed fairly likely that's whom the Diamondbacks would take up until a week ago.

Arizona still might go with Upton, but with the signing of Stephen Drew (Jered Weaver's signing with the Angels takes another wild card out of the draft deck as well), they may feel they have their shortstop of the future. As a result of the signing of their 2004 first-rounder just before the May 31 deadline, the D-Backs have been looking much, much closer at some options among the college pitching ranks. On the short list is St. John's closer Craig Hansen, Wichita State ace Mike Pelfrey and Tennessee's Luke Hochevar.

Obviously, their decision will have a tremendous trickle-down effect on the rest of the first-round landscape. But regardless of what happens up top, there are some college pitchers sneaking into the back end of the first round, with names like Matt Torra and Jacob Marceaux appearing when they weren't on this map a few weeks ago.

That's not to say these are players who were off the scouts' radars completely. The draft is a culmination of months of work, countless evaluations and too many scouting reports to describe. So while this weekend's performances in the final task of this reality show certainly have merit and could help some players move up or down, it will serve most organizations as just one more bit of information to add to the file.

"The length of the time since you identified a player, the process doesn't end until Tuesday," the scouting executive said. "We continue the discussions right up until the draft. Everything weighs in."

1. Diamondbacks: Justin Upton, SS, Great Bridge HS, Chesapeake, Va.
It seemed as if the Diamondbacks were narrowing their focus onto Upton, but with Drew now in the fold, they might be leaning toward going the college pitching route. The rumor that they'd take Hansen at No. 1 (perhaps to save some money after spending on Drew) won't go away, in part because the surprisingly competitive D-Backs could use some bullpen help in September, when some believe Hansen will be ready. It likely didn't hurt that Hansen took an emergency start and won in a recent regional. They're also looking at Pelfrey and Hochevar.

2. Royals: Alex Gordon, 3B, Nebraska
The Royals are not looking to make a budget-conscious deal, but that doesn't mean they're automatically going to take Gordon, believed to be the second-best talent in the draft. If the Diamondbacks pass on Upton, it'd be hard to imagine Kansas City passing on him as well. They could also decide to go with a college pitcher. At one point, they seemed interested in Miami's Cesar Carrillo, not only because he's not a Scott Boras client, but because the Royals think he's every bit as good as Pelfrey and Hochevar. With two losses in his last two starts, it's possible Carrillo's star has lost some of its luster.

3. Mariners: Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Long Beach State
The M's are in a bit of a holding pattern, with a list of possibilities still sitting on their plate. A lot has to do with what happens above them. If Upton does indeed fall, that could leave Seattle with a tough decision to make. If Upton and Gordon are gone, Tulowitzki will likely be the guy they take from their short list. But if the D-Backs go pitching and the Royals then select Upton, it might be hard for the Mariners to pass up Gordon's left-handed power.

4. Nationals: Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Virginia
If the Nationals had unlimited resources, they might be interested in a college arm like Hochevar. Since that's not the case, it seems almost certain they'll be taking Zimmerman, considered to be the best defensive infielder in the draft who's shown plenty with the bat as well. Even if Tulowitzki trickles down to them, it's apparent Zimmerman is their man. There were reports of a private workout with Cameron Maybin over the weekend, but Maybin might only be a Plan B.

5. Brewers: Cameron Maybin, OF, T.C. Roberson, HS, Arden, N.C.
Several names have come up in discussions about the Brewers' pick, largely because they could go in any direction and aren't a high school or college-only kind of team. They've had some success with high school hitters, and Maybin is the best of the lot after Upton. If a Zimmerman or Tulowitzki fell to them, they'd probably have a decision to make, and they may have an interest in Miami's Ryan Braun, but Maybin's tools have many scouts drooling.

6. Blue Jays: Ricky Romero, LHP, Cal State-Fullerton
Even after taking two college lefties at the top last year, the Jays have been following the Cal-State Fullerton ace very closely. He's the best college lefty on the board. They've also been watching draft re-entrant Wade Townsend, the former Rice star, in his workouts for scouts. If Tulowitzki somehow falls (if the D-Backs don't take Upton, it could happen), he won't get past this spot.

7. Rockies: Luke Hochevar, RHP, Tennessee
It's hard to tell exactly what the Rockies will do with this pick, and what happens 1-6 will largely determine which way they go. They're not afraid to deal with Boras and are constantly looking for pitchers who can succeed at Coors Field, making Hochevar a good possibility. If Romero were to slip to them, that could be a possibility. They're always on the lookout for five-tool guys (they took Chris Nelson last year) and if Maybin's off the board, they could take a look at Texas high school center fielder Jay Bruce to fit that bill.

8. Devil Rays: Wade Townsend, RHP, no school
It's come down to a quartet of college pitchers, a college bat or maybe the small possibility of a high school athlete for the Devil Rays. If Maybin slid here, that could be a god fit, with Florida high schooler Andrew McCutchen a backup, but graded behind Maybin. It's more likely that Tampa Bay will hit the college campus, and they'll be scouting the regionals up through Monday night to try to make a decision. They've had Townsend in for a personal workout, and a lot may depend on how the Boras trio -- Hansen, Pelfrey and Hochevar -- shake out through the first seven picks. If they decide to go with the bat, they've seemingly honed in on USC catcher Jeff Clement.

9. Mets: Craig Hansen, RHP, St. John's
The Mets have the financial resources to take anyone they wish on the board, making it a little tougher to pinpoint a selection right now. They've been following the local college closer closely -- proximity certainly helps. If that wacky scenario at No. 1 actually plays out, the Mets could be interested in Pelfrey. If the Mets decide to go in a non-pitching direction, they've shown interest in Jay Bruce, the high school outfielder from Texas.

10. Tigers: Mike Pelfrey, RHP, Wichita State
The Tigers love Zimmerman and if he somehow falls to No. 10, that's their pick. In lieu of that, they've reportedly been watching Pelfrey carefully. They've been talking to Maybin just in case he slides, and they've been watching McCutchen as well. A college bat like Braun could slot in here as well.

11. Pirates: Andrew McCutchen, OF, Fort Meade HS, Fort Mead, Fla.
The only question seems to be if the high school outfielder will be here when the Pirates are up. If he is, he's likely their guy. If not, Bruce might be next in line. If Romero somehow slid here, Pirates GM Dave Littlefield did go see him pitch this season.

12. Reds: Ryan Braun, 3B, Miami
The Reds want a college bat, and Braun might be the best one -- he's got power and speed -- still available, even if most believe he'll have to change positions as a pro. Other possibilities include Clement and John Mayberry Jr.

13. Orioles: Jay Bruce, OF, West Brook H.S., Beaumont, Tex.
While the Orioles probably could use an advanced college pitcher, they may be wary of going down that path after their Townsend experience. The pickings at this point may also not be to their liking, so they could look at high school athletes, and Bruce would be the best one available at this point.

14. Indians: Jeff Clement, C, Southern California
If Braun slipped to this spot, the Indians would likely take him here. Going with the projection that he'll be off the board, Clement is the next guy on their list. If one of the top high school talents were to slip to them, a Maybin or McCutchen, they might be tempted to go in that direction. Carrillo is now on their radar screen as well, if neither of their preferred college bats are still on the board.

15. White Sox: Cesar Carrillo, RHP, Miami
Some think the Sox will take Tulane's Brian Bogusevic because of their need for left-handed pitching. But they'd love to take Clement's bat if it's there at No. 15 and, if not, like Carrillo, despite his right-handedness, better than Bogusevic.

16. Marlins: Chris Volstad, RHP, Palm Beach Gardens HS, Palm Beach Garden, Fla.
There have been some mixed reports on Volstad, with his recent outings not as strong as some of his earlier work this season. Still, the Marlins have had a lot of success with young pitching, haven't they? Were they to go in another direction, they could take a look at Brandon Snyder, a high school catcher/shortstop.

17. Yankees: Brian Bogusevic, LHP, Tulane
Obviously, financial constraints are not a problem here, so if either of the Boras-advised starters slipped down here, the Yankees wouldn't hesitate. Boras' star high school client, Utah lefty Mark Pawalek could be intriguing here. They like Volstad, too, so if the Marlins pass on him, the Yankees may not. But they've been seen at some of Tulane's games and Bogusevic, a two-way player, profiles as a first-rounder on the mound. The Yankees also really like N.C. State closer Joey Devine, who helped his value with a dominant performance in the ACC Tournament, but that might be a bit of a stretch for New York at No. 17.

18. Padres: Cesar Ramos, LHP, Long Beach State
The Pads have interest in Bogesevic, but if he's no longer available, Ramos may be their man to address their need for left-handed pitching. If they decide they'd like a bat in the end, Ellsbury should still be on the board.

19. Rangers: Matt Garza, RHP, Fresno State
The Rangers would like to go college pitching, if possible, and have their sights on Ramos if the Padres don't take him. Next on their list could be Garza, the ace of a sub-.500 Fresno State team. He came on late, moving him up to a position where going at No. 19 might make sense. Another lesser-known college starter with helium, Torra, could sneak in here as well.

20. Cubs: Justin Bristow, SS, Mills Godwin HS, Richmond, Va.
The Cubs have shown a willingness to draft guys who are perceived as "tough signs." As a result, Boras clients like Tyler Greene and Pawalek have been mentioned here. But the Cubs don't seem to like Greene here, and they likely will pass on Pawalek if he's there. They have no qualms taking a high schooler and if Volstad is available, and a high school bat like Bristow is definitely on their list.

21. Athletics: Jed Lowrie, 2B, Stanford
If ever there's a bankable thing in a draft, it's that the A's will go the college route in the first round (and many rounds thereafter). There are some intriguing choices left on the board, including Ellsbury Lowrie's teammate, Mayberry Jr., and Arizona State's Travis Buck. But Lowrie possesses that combination of on-base percentage and slugging percentage the A's covet at a position it's not often easy to find both.

22. Marlins: Jacoby Ellsbury, OF, Oregon State
After going the high school route at No. 16, the Marlins may try to even things out with a "safer" college guy. Ellsbury might have the OBP the A's love, but he's also got a lot of speed, something that might appeal to the Marlins.

23. Red Sox: Matt Torra, RHP, Massachusetts
Chances are the Red Sox are running in the same circles as the A's, although there's been some talk that because they have so many early picks, they might actually take a high school guy sooner than they would normally. That being said, going college here makes sense and why not stay in their own backyard. Torra has as much helium as anyone in the draft right now, and the only issue is if he'll still be on the board at No. 23. If he's gone, the Red Sox could look at college bats like Mayberry Jr., Arizona State's Buck and Arizona's Trevor Crowe.

24. Astros: Jacob Marceaux, RHP, McNeese State
The Astros could go high school or college, and often like to stay in their own backyard. They likely had an interest in Texas high school outfielder Jordan Danks, but since he's told teams he plans to go to UT next fall, they have to look elsewhere. Louisiana isn't so far from Houston, and they've been watching Marceaux's power arm closely. If they wanted to go with bullpen help, word is they've talked with Devine.

25. Twins: Brandon Snyder, C/SS, Westfield HS, Centreville, Va.
The Twins have been incredibly successful with going counter to the college trend, and that trend should continue here. They'll take the top high schooler on the board, and that could be Snyder. If Bristow, who attended the same high school as the Twins' 2003 first-rounder Matt Moses, is still around, he would slot in nicely here.

26. Red Sox: Travis Buck, OF/3B, Arizona State
Sorry, just can't project the Sox taking a high schooler in the first round. Instead, they may take Buck, though Crowe is still a possibility here. If they do go high school in the first, there was talk the Red Sox were following South Carolina high school shortstop Reese Havens.

27. Braves: Chaz Roe, RHP, Lafayette HS, Kentucky
The Braves like high school players, particularly pitchers, allowing them to develop slowly in their system. So it wouldn't be a shock for them to take an arm like Roe here, or perhaps Bryan Morris out of Tennessee.

28. Cardinals: Cliff Pennington, SS, Texas A&M
The Cards have definitely looked more into the performance-based, stats-oriented side of things, but they aren't beholden to it. Taking one college guy and one high schooler with their two first-round picks sounds about right. Here, they'll go for the college shortstop in Pennington.

29. Marlins: Bryan Morris, RHP, Tullahoma HS, Tullahoma, Tenn.
The Marlins may have the opportunity to get two quality high school arms in the first round, and they love the young pitchers. Morris' name has risen quickly up the charts this spring.

30. Cardinals: Craig Italiano, RHP, Flower Mound HS, Flower Mound, Tex.
And here's the high schooler for the Cardinals. Italiano is probably the best high school arm still on the board.

Jonathan Mayo is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 

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I hope that rumor about Hansen is just to throw off other teams... I want Upton and then we can spend the rest of the picks on pitchers... ;)
 

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Any way we trade down for more picks in the draft? :shrug:
 

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Yuma said:
Any way we trade down for more picks in the draft? :shrug:

You can't trade baseball draft picks... plus it's pretty pointless since there are so many rounds and so many people can fall in the draft.
 

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2005 High School Player Of The Year Watch

June 6, 2005

JUSTIN UPTON ss • Great Bridge HS, Chesapeake, Va.

It was the summer of 2002 and Upton was a skinny, 14-year-old rising sophomore, and everyone knew. Scouts, fans, coaches, parents. It was obvious Upton was bound for stardom as he stood out at the Area Code Games in Long Beach despite being two years younger than almost every player at the event. Upton entered his final playoff series as a senior still considered the top amateur player in the country and prepared to embark on another chapter in his promising career. "This year we've kept him focused on his senior year and his legacy as a high school player," Upton's coach Wiley Lee said a week before the draft. "And once June seventh comes around, he can concentrate on his legacy as a professional."

PLAYER, YR., POS., HIGH SCHOOL
Justin Upton, Sr., ss, Great Bridge HS, Chesapeake, Va.

B-T R-R
HT. 6'2"
WT. 187
AVG .508
AB 61
R 34
H 31
2B 5
3B 3
HR 12
RBI 33
BB 26
SO 3
SB 9

That's 26 walks, 33 rbi in sixty-one at-bats. Yikes. Take this kid, please.
 

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