2006 Cardinals: Game 13 (ARI 27 SEA 21) Analysis

[ajcardfan]

Posters like you, AJ, don't know football. You don't offer any insight. And you as easily duped as a blonde in a wet t-shirt contest.

Oh, sting! Come on Mitch, that's a very poor response by you.

As a mod, I was trying, in my own way, to encourage you to stay classy. Frankly, everyone hates an "I told you so", even when they are right.

Have I been right about Green all along? You bet I have. I smelled a rat the day the pie chart came out. The Cardinals have been, let's see, 15-30 since and you want to see the same coach in place for next year. Go figure.

As for this, I never once said I have decided I want the guy retained. I said I want to see this franchise do things differently. Personally, I'd drive Green to the airport at 100 miles an hour if I could have Carroll or Rivera as head coach.

 

[jefftheshark]

Posters like you, AJ, don't know football. You don't offer any insight. And you as easily duped as a blonde in a wet t-shirt contest.

Have I been right about Green all along? You bet I have. I smelled a rat the day the pie chart came out. The Cardinals have been, let's see, 15-30 since and you want to see the same coach in place for next year. Go figure.

AJ is as insightful as the next guy, just not as verbose as some.

And if you post 20,000 crazy ideas, your chances for being right once or twice increase dramatically.

The Shark

 

[Ryanwb]

The answer: Edge had it this week..."Take care of Matt." And what Edge means is, surround Leinart with the right coaches...I hope that whomever the new head coach is, he will keep coaches Krucz and Loney, because Krucz is getting it done as OC, Loney has spawned the best o-line play we have seen in years...in short, Krucz and Loney are taking care of Matt.

If that is what you comprehend than you are pretty dumb. I think 999 out of 1000 dimwits will tell you he means the offensive line

 

[Mitch]

Oh, sting! Come on Mitch, that's a very poor response by you.

As a mod, I was trying, in my own way, to encourage you to stay classy. Frankly, everyone hates an "I told you so", even when they are right.




As for this, I never once said I have decided I want the guy retained. I said I want to see this franchise do things differently. Personally, I'd drive Green to the airport at 100 miles an hour if I could have Carroll or Rivera as head coach.

Now, you're talking, AJ. Major points there.

It just amazes me that I have been down on Green from the beginning for some very good reasons...it all started with the pompous pie charts and then the Kendall debacle....and all I get on this board is crap and more crap when, guess what, I was right. Whoopedy-doo. But, I was right for good reasons...the guy just can't make good football decisions...and the preponderance of bad decisions he's made since becoming the coach here is staggering. Yet, people here want him to stay because his players get fed up and win a couple meaningless games. It's unreal.

If Green stays, I'll tell you already what happens next year...Warner retires...Leinart gets hurt early and we have to watch John Navarre try to lead the team to a 5-11 season. It will be back to the injuries excuse.

The players say they want Green to stay...why? I'll tell you why. Green is hands-off: they like that...they don't want a coach in their grilz...Green is easy on them in training camp: they like that, just ask the guy who really calls the shots, Edgerrin James.

And the things that irks me most of all is that Green has already been talking like he's gone...he doesn't even want to stay. I guarantee you if it came down to the choice of staying home and colllecting $2.5M next year or having to work for it...he'd buy his tickets home in a New York minute.

That's why he's pressing the contract extension...and was even when the Cards were 1-8.

 

[Rats]

Posters like you, AJ, don't know football. You don't offer any insight. And you as easily duped as a blonde in a wet t-shirt contest.

Have I been right about Green all along? You bet I have. I smelled a rat the day the pie chart came out. The Cardinals have been, let's see, 15-30 since and you want to see the same coach in place for next year. Go figure.

Mitch, DG first two seasons were spent weeding out the Triple A squad he inherited. Everything could not be fixed in an offseason. DG delegates and does not apologize if the guys he delgate to do not get the job done( see the OC's before Kruc) He replaces them and moves on. Same with players that do not get with the program. You want to say I told you so, I told you so but anyone of us could have told you DG would need more than 3 years to turn around Coach Macs happless bunch. Those teams were getting blown out be 30 and 40 points routinely.This season the team has competed and lost a few tough losses that had they been able to win we would not even be having this banter from you. We would be talking playoffs. DG is the coach of this team. If the ownership makes another dumb move when they are starting to turn the corner then I feel they, like you, do not know football and the game has passed them by. The game on Sunday showed that this team is headed in the right direction. If they can compete and learn to win this year. Next season will be a watershed year for this group and coaching staff. Green may not have earned an extension yet but he deserves his last year or we rebuild again.

 

[ajcardfan]

AJ is as insightful as the next guy, just not as verbose as some.


The Shark

I used to post a lot more. I even wrote some training camp articles that were well received as far as I could tell.

But, two jobs, three kids......frankly I spend more time on this site than I probably should just reading posts.

 

[joeshmo]

That's why he's pressing the contract extension...

One little comment to some anouncers when asked about a hypothetical situation then giving an hypothetical answer of which he only said I would ask for an extension, not demand, not quit if he didnt recieve, but just ask.

Thats pressing?

I dont want Green here next year as well, but that isnt even close to pressing an issue.

 

[Mitch]

I used to post a lot more. I even wrote some training camp articles that were well received as far as I could tell.

But, two jobs, three kids......frankly I spend more time on this site than I probably should just reading posts.

I remember one of your training camp articles, AJ. It was very imformative and much appreciated. Thanks, man.

 

[Chopper0080]

The hard thing for us as fans is that we have bought his BS. I don't know many guys on this board who can look back and say that when Green took over, it was a 3 year fix. I didn't, I thought it would take 4 years to turn over the roster and instill a winning attitude. 3 years later I am calling for his head, and why? Because I bought all of the stupid playoff talk. Now we look like a totally different team and what do we do? I don't like Green as a coach but I do believe that most of us have really changed our expectations of what he needed to do. I didn't think he could turn us around in less than 4 years and now I am mad because of it. Maybe I am the only one on this board who feels this way, I don't know.

 

[Evil Ash]

Green may not have earned an extension yet but he deserves his last year or we rebuild again.

Win 2 of the last 3 and he has earned another year. He needs at least a 6 win season to prove that this team is going in the right direction

 

[Rats]

Win 2 of the last 3 and he has earned another year. He needs at least a 6 win season to prove that this team is going in the right direction

Yes, I agree that the team has to continue to show they can win. No free lunch. DG is back with a couple of wins, preferably all 3.

 

[Duckjake]

The hard thing for us as fans is that we have bought his BS. I don't know many guys on this board who can look back and say that when Green took over, it was a 3 year fix. I didn't, I thought it would take 4 years to turn over the roster and instill a winning attitude. 3 years later I am calling for his head, and why? Because I bought all of the stupid playoff talk. Now we look like a totally different team and what do we do? I don't like Green as a coach but I do believe that most of us have really changed our expectations of what he needed to do. I didn't think he could turn us around in less than 4 years and now I am mad because of it. Maybe I am the only one on this board who feels this way, I don't know.

I don't know. I think most people are calling for Green's firing because the team had the same problems in year 3 that they had in year one.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Super Bowl: San Diego 31 New York Giants 23. There.

GIANTS...

There's a better chance that the Cards start 5-1 next season..

 

[Mulli]

I don't know. I think most people are calling for Green's firing because the team had the same problems in year 3 that they had in year one.

Some on this board were calling for Green to be fired in week 2 of Green's preseason because the team had the same problems in week 2 that they had in week one.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't know. I think most people are calling for Green's firing because the team had the same problems in year 3 that they had in year one.

I think (hope) you mean "some of the same problems." Because this team now has a runningback, a quarterback, and a group of linebackers that can play with anyone. The secondary is much better than what we had when Denny came to town, even if it's still not great (ask Mike Shanahan how easy it is to build a secondary). This team can get to the quarterback (remember who our DTs were when Denny came to town? Russell Davis and Bell. Remember who our DEs were? Dennis Johnson and Fred Wakefield).

This team is much better from top to bottom than it was when Denny came here. For that, I think we should all be appreciative. I think that the real question is whether or not Denny Green is the guy that can take this team to the next level. I think that at this point Denny knows that he might not be that guy, but I'm certain that Ron Rivera isn't.

 

[Billy Flynt]

I honestly don't remember a Cards/Hawks game where Alexander didn't rush for 100+ yds and a TD (or two, or four).

See Week 2: 89 yards only one TD.

 

[CardinalChris]

Let's not kid ourselves. Getting rid of green means we lose Loney and Krucek (sp?). Coaches don't like to come in and retain the previous coach's staff. Ask the Raiders.

 

[Duckjake]

I think (hope) you mean "some of the same problems." Because this team now has a runningback, a quarterback, and a group of linebackers that can play with anyone. The secondary is much better than what we had when Denny came to town, even if it's still not great (ask Mike Shanahan how easy it is to build a secondary). This team can get to the quarterback (remember who our DTs were when Denny came to town? Russell Davis and Bell. Remember who our DEs were? Dennis Johnson and Fred Wakefield).

This team is much better from top to bottom than it was when Denny came here. For that, I think we should all be appreciative. I think that the real question is whether or not Denny Green is the guy that can take this team to the next level. I think that at this point Denny knows that he might not be that guy, but I'm certain that Ron Rivera isn't.

I was talking about game management, special teams, penalties, and the inability to run the football. Those problems were still very evident, even with all the upgrades in talent, when the Cards hit rock bottom against Dallas halfway through Denny's third season.

That team with Davis and Bell, Johnson and Wakefield and countless other spares had as many wins going into week 14 of 2003 as this year's team had.

 

[kerouac9]

I was talking about game management, special teams, penalties, and the inability to run the football. Those problems were still very evident, even with all the upgrades in talent, when the Cards hit rock bottom against Dallas halfway through Denny's third season.

That team with Davis and Bell, Johnson and Wakefield and countless other spares had as many wins going into week 14 of 2003 as this year's team had.

I know that I have to keep reminding you of this, but it's worth looking at again. Look at that 2003 season. LOOK AT IT!

Week 1: Lost by 18 at Detroit
Week 2: Shut out at home by 38 points to Seattle
Week 3: Beat Green Bay by 7 at home
Week 4: Lost at Saint Louis by 24
Week 5: Lost at Dallas by 17
Week 6: Lost to Baltimore at home by 8
Week 7: Bye
Week 8: Beat San Francisco at home by 3
Week 9: Beat Cincinnatti at home by 3 while they were on the way to the #1 overall pick.
Week 10: Lost at Pittsburgh by 14 but it wasn't nearly that close
Week 11: Lost at Cleveland by 38 (!!!!!!) and failed to score a TD
Week 12: Lost to St. Louis at home by 3
Week 13: Pummeled by Chicago away by 25 points
Week 14: Got killed by San Francisco by 36 in a game that wasn't even that close.

2003 was nothing like this season. Nothing. We must always remember the 2003 season lest we forget it. This team in 2003 didn't even deserve to be in the NFL and should have been sent to D1 like they do in soccer. The 2003 team was a squad that had no chance on the road at all.

I don't want Denny back, and I don't think that he wants to come back. This last month of the season is about him salvaging some sort of legacy or something. But this season bears no comparison at all to 2003.

 

[Mulli]

Thanks for posting that K9. Those who forget the past....doomed to repeat it.

 

[Duckjake]

I know that I have to keep reminding you of this, but it's worth looking at again. Look at that 2003 season. LOOK AT IT!

Week 1: Lost by 18 at Detroit
Week 2: Shut out at home by 38 points to Seattle
Week 3: Beat Green Bay by 7 at home
Week 4: Lost at Saint Louis by 24
Week 5: Lost at Dallas by 17
Week 6: Lost to Baltimore at home by 8
Week 7: Bye
Week 8: Beat San Francisco at home by 3
Week 9: Beat Cincinnatti at home by 3 while they were on the way to the #1 overall pick.
Week 10: Lost at Pittsburgh by 14 but it wasn't nearly that close
Week 11: Lost at Cleveland by 38 (!!!!!!) and failed to score a TD
Week 12: Lost to St. Louis at home by 3
Week 13: Pummeled by Chicago away by 25 points
Week 14: Got killed by San Francisco by 36 in a game that wasn't even that close.

2003 was nothing like this season. Nothing. We must always remember the 2003 season lest we forget it. This team in 2003 didn't even deserve to be in the NFL and should have been sent to D1 like they do in soccer. The 2003 team was a squad that had no chance on the road at all.

I don't want Denny back, and I don't think that he wants to come back. This last month of the season is about him salvaging some sort of legacy or something. But this season bears no comparison at all to 2003.

Did they, or did they not, with 4 games left in the season, have the same record in 2003 as they did this year?

EDIT: Amazing- that 2003 team was 4-4 at home with 3 of the 4 losses by 3,8 and 3 points. Dang, we were great fans.

 

[spanky1]

The comment that Green doesn't want to come back seems shallow. I'm sure he would want to come back......to finish the mission....of course there is also about 2.5 million other reasons.

 

[Skkorpion]

Dennny Green will never be good at game and clock management. That is a given and was on display again last week.

With under a minute left in the first half and a nice lead, we threw incomplete twice and gave Seattle a chance at scoring before halftime. Dumb.

Then on our last two drives of the 4th period, we shut down the offense too soon, tried to run clock and almost lost the game.

However, those are the signs that Denny still cares and is trying to win every game. I think he wants to return here next year.

If we turn conservative against Denver, Shanahan will beat us and fire Denny for us. It will all work itself out on the field.

 

[SuperSpck]

If we turn conservative against Denver, Shanahan will beat us and fire Denny for us. It will all work itself out on the field.

And that's pretty much the story, with games to play we're trying to get putting the apple cart before Denny.
Or is it trying to get Denny to tow an apple cart?
Maybe he needs to push the apple cart like a person would push a stalled car.

I just know there is an appropriate metaphor about the importance (impotence?) of order and with games left to play we're getting ahead of ourselves on the "Has Dennis saved himself?". If the remaining games were like the Raiders and Packers games then all this goes away and no one's saved and Leonardo still goes down with the Titanic (and speaking of metaphors, that movie's a gigantic metaphor for reaching middle age, despite, you know, having actually occured).

Maybe it was apples before carts.

 

[jstadvl]

I think the defense is playing tremendous ball. They're rabid out there. It seems they are finally playing with onmtrolled aggessiveness. Not giving up too many big plays and making he football look like it's their last meal!
Okeafor is coming around. I still worry a bit about the D-secondary.
The O-line has been fantastic anmd learning to flip the switch from pass to run D. The rest of the O I'd put up against any in the league.
If we continue to pl;ay this way Green definitely stays.