2006 Cardinals: Notes on Leinart, Minnesota Game, Head Coaching Candidates

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First of all, I hope all of you had a very warm and enjoyable Thanksgiving. My thanks go out to Skkorp, for making ASFN what it is: the best forum any Cardinal fan could ever want for sharing information and opinions on our beloved Cardinals. I would also like to thank Jim O for his valuable contributions to this board. Thanks to Gary (Snakester) for being the most diligent analyst of Cardinal games...to Harry Greene for his insightful journalism...to Jo Sparkes for providing us with her entertaining viewpoints...to Russ Smith for being one of the most knowledgeable, dependable and dedicated Cardinal fans...to Joeshmo for being our resident capologist and all-around information guru...to K9 for being the board's devil's advocate and debate catalyst...to Jeff Gollin for being the voice of reason and epitome of class...to ArthurRaccoon for reminding us always that the Cardinal is still smiling and the glass is truly half full...to Red Desert for having the courage to wear his heart on his sleeve and the passion to stick to his convictions...to BigRed Ark for bringing a Woo Pig Sooey flavor to this board!...to our British Rock Invaders (England-on-Tour, Wembley, etc.) for bring a global perspective to the board...to JerseyGirl for bringing a woman's passion and grace to the board...and to all of you for your knowledgeable and impassioned contributions...thank you!

As for Matt Leinart...to have come right in as a rookie and performed as well as he did against Kansas City and Chicago right off the bat under the daunting circumstances of replacing a veteran Hall of Fame QB was incredibly impressive...imagine what his impact would have meant if the Cardinals had won those two games...but, alas, the Cardinals gave both games away and with that the entire team's bubble burst, leaving Leinart and others mired in frustration and despair. This was the reality and not an excuse.

As I wrote last week...following the devastating Bears loss, the negativity surrounding the Cardinals was at an all-time high...compounding matters for Leinart, in particular, were the coaching shuffles, the offensive line shuffles, the disgruntled attitudes and finger pointings of the coaches and players...the injury to Larry Fitzgerald, a key cog in the passing attack...the egocentric mien of the star free agent RB, Edgerrin James...and just plain poor coaching and team preparation for games. Leinart was given an inside view of all that can get ugly fast in the world of professional sports. Again, realities...not excuses.

Is it really any surprise that Leinart would struggle in the face of all of this?

Therefore, the way Leinart played last Sunday against the Lions should, IMO, be lauded. His 233 yards passing was impressive, particularly the way he threw the intermediate and long passes, often throwing the ball where only the WR could catch it. Equally impressive was Leinart's audible in the red zone that led to his nice TD pass to Bryant Johnson. Leinart was in command of his game...and the only area of his game that needed marked improvement was his throws on short passes, partly because he hurried those throws at times unnecessarily...and, where the dump off passes to James are concerned, James was being picked up in the middle and wasn't making much of an effort to shake his defender...

Which leads me to a concern I have about the planning of this offense. It would seem far more prudent to have James (instead of immediately running a route up the middle and abandoning the protection) protect for Leinart and then slip to the side as a safety valve where (a) his is more likely to create come space between him and his defender and (b) where Leinart can locate him faster.

The fact that the Cardinal coaches allow defenses to rush Leinart with little to no RB help in protection is mind boggling...especially when certain DEs (like Derrick Burgess, Demarcus Ware and Kalimba Edwards) are beating the Cardinal Ts regularly, one would think that leaving the RB in to help Leinart would be paramount.

Leinart now needs to assume a leadership role...which is hard to do as a rookie. He may not be able to fortify his leadership this year, but as the starting QB next year coming into camp and with an opportunity to help maximize the talents around him...hopefully with a much improved offensive line in front of him...and more creative and aggressive play calling...I believe Leinart will emerge as the bona fide leader of this offense. He will need to play a little tougher...but this is why getting his feet wet this year is a very good thing. Leinart should be much better prepared mentally and physically for the challenge next year.

This game tomorrow in Minnesota should be a very interesting one to watch. It figures to be an emotional game for Dennis Green, going back to his old stadium where he had so much success. The question is: will it be an emotional game for the Cardinal players?

I think last week the players played hard at home for themselves and for the fans. This week they are on the road...where, under Green, Cardinal teams have come out flat, allowed the other team to jump ahead, and then shown little urgency or resolve to mount a concerted comeback...the terms "playing out the string" and "going through the motions" come to mind.

Will the Cardinal players play hard for themselves knowing that the fans are back home and that Green has an added interest in the outcome of this game?

Regarding the head coach candidates who have been mentioned and rumored about in recent days...here are my thoughts...

First I want to reiterate that the Cardinals need to do for Matt Leinart what they failed to do for Jake Plummer...hire an innovative and well versed offensive head coach who can help raise the QB's game and the offense itself to the highest level.

What about Steve Mariucci? Yes, he is an offensive minded coach...so in that respect he fits the bill. He runs a version of the West Coast offense...and has a command of his X's and O's. However, with Mariucci, there is something lacking in his persona as a head coach...be it a lack of toughness or charisma...Don't get me wrong, he is a very likeable and personable guy...and he has class...but, players don't seem to be all that leery of Mooch...and players seem to have their way with him. This is why I don't think Mooch is the right guy for the job. I think he would be a very good college coach and I hope for his sake that he pursues a high profile college job...because he strikes me as another Pete Carroll waiting to happen. Mooch would have his way with college kids...the way Pete has had his way.

Speaking of Pete Carroll. Pete is a defensive coach, to begin with. But...he does have a knack for getting good offensive coaches around him. I have always liked Pete Carroll's energy and his George Allen-like enthusiasm. But, IMO, he would be crazy to leave USC...sanctions or no sanctions. He is made to order for that job. But, as far as I am concerned, Pete Carroll is not the kind of offensive head coach the Cardinals need...so if it were up to me I wouldn't even consider him.

The same for Ron Rivera...this guy is a defensive coach with charisma and moxie...but he's inexperienced...which always should be a concern...unless Rivera had an experienced offensive staff in place to come with him, I would be very skeptical of his chances here...I think he would be admired by the players and he would command their respect...but, like the Cardinal head coaches of the recent past, I don't think Rivera would bring with him that special edge in football knowledge or expertise. He would bring attitude...and maybe that's what the Cardinals need most...but attitude will only last so long if the team continues to lose and/or continues to get outcoached.

To me the ONLY college coach I would at all consider is Charlie Weis...because of his success at the pro level. If it were up to me, I would offer him as lucrative a deal as I could, even though the odds are that he will remain in South Bend for years to come. Weis is not only an offensive genius, he is a no nonsense coach who the players respect.

Assuming that Weis is not a real possibility...I am still hoping for a Vermeil/Saunders package (either as GM/HC or HC/OC). Vermeil has a gift for bringing along young QBs...and he will not be outworked by anyone. He and his coaches will fall asleep late at night watching game film...and trying to find the preparation edge that will win them ballgames.

As a final note...and a K9 pleaser/teaser at that...I am very happy that Jon Bronson was just called up to the 53 man roster. He immediately upgrades our special teams...and for a team that has been searching for help on special teams why he hasn't been on the roster since day one is another mind boggler...Bronson is one of those rare STers who can bring fear to an entire wedge. And I still think he got short shrifted at FB...I can still picture him blowing out the Steeler LBers on the ISO plays during the first exhibition game...yeah, he missed one pass protection block the next game and the experiment was over. Hopefully he will be given another chance.
 
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Maybe Bronson will be brought in to block for Matt and Edge. Thanks for a interesting write up. Happy holidays.

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Maybe Bronson will be brought in to block for Matt and Edge. Thanks for a interesting write up. Happy holidays.

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Props to you seesred...you are an outstanding contributor to this board.

Wasn't it kind of funny that the Cardinals ran a FB in their offense all during the pre-season...to some degree of success (Bronson at first, then Hodgins) and then they scrapped the whole thing going into the season.

Wouldn't it seem logical to use a FB to lead for Edge when the o-line was so suspect?

But Edge wasn't even running the ball in pre-season, per his own edict, and yes, he was used to one back sets in Indy, but with Peyton Manning at QB (pass to set up the run) and an athletic zone blocking line.

Oh well...
 

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Thanks to you, too, Mitch. Your opinions often contrast with mine, but you're as passionate about your points of view as I am, and your love for this team is without boundry.

For everything else, I think that the best path is to consider this coming offseason a success if and only if the Cardinals hire a General Manager with previous success and the power to make his own decisions without having to run to ownership over everything.

If this doesn't happen and Rod Graves/Michael Bidwill are again running the job search, I'll bring back the Howdy Doody avatar.
 

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The fact that the Cardinal coaches allow defenses to rush Leinart with little to no RB help in protection is mind boggling...especially when certain DEs (like Derrick Burgess, Demarcus Ware and Kalimba Edwards) are beating the Cardinal Ts regularly, one would think that leaving the RB in to help Leinart would be paramount.

Thank you , Thank you ... another reason for a change. These guys are unbelievable... you just answered pass protection 101 , which these coaches don't have down. Edge was supposed to be a A- class RB blocker/protector.:shrug:


Also have you considered Danny White as a replacement?
 

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and thanks to you too mitch for all your writing and pointing out the little guys that end up succeding (ie: Fransisco)

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Thank you , Thank you ... another reason for a change. These guys are unbelievable... you just answered pass protection 101 , which these coaches don't have down. Edge was supposed to be a A- class RB blocker/protector.:shrug:


Also have you considered Danny White as a replacement?

Totally agree :thumbup:

I would like to hear Mitch's opinion on Danny White, also.
 
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Thank you , Thank you ... another reason for a change. These guys are unbelievable... you just answered pass protection 101 , which these coaches don't have down. Edge was supposed to be a A- class RB blocker/protector.:shrug:


Also have you considered Danny White as a replacement?

WildBB: One has to wonder whether James is calling his own shots in the offense because it's ridiculous that he is hardly ever kept in to protect Leinart especially when the Ts are getting beaten on the edge as regularly as they have.

As for Danny White...he was a very creative HC/OC in the Arena League...and he has a very good offensive mind. He needs to land a QB coaching or OC job in the NFL first and have success in those roles before he can be considered for a head coaching job.
 
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Harry was mentioning Cam Cameron's positives today and I agree with him that there's a lot to like in him...he's currently running the most balanced and efficient offense in the NFL (of course, having LT helps)...but the way Cameron has facilitated David Rivers' growth and command of their offense, makes one wonder what he could do with Matt Leinart.

Cameron is the kind of offensive HC the Cardinals need.

He's going to be hot property at the end of this season, IMO. The Cardinals will need to act fast and decisively.

What worries me is that the Bidwills will make the same mistake they've made in the past...they will hire an inexperienced defensive coach who may bring attitude, but may not bring a special knowledge of the game.
 
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If the Cardinals do the smart thing and hire an offensive minded HC who brings a special knowledge of offense to the organization (a la messers Weis, Vermeil, Sauders, Cameron, Fassell, Martz, Bratkwoski, Whisenhunt, Hufnagel (a real sleeper from the NYG, IMO), Gruden, etc.)...

There's a very intriguing prospect for DC out there: Randy Shannon, Larry Coker's DC at the University of Miami. Shannon builds his defenses on speed and orchestrates one of the best and most aggressive man to man defenses in the country...if not the best in the college ranks.

Shannon is likely going to have to move on...if Greg Schiano is hired as expected, Schiano's forte is defense and he will want to have his own people in there.

I firmly believe that if there is a young coach out there who fits the Tony Dungee mold, it's Shannon. He may be an attractive head coaching candidate for college jobs (and in the future for NFL jobs)...but, if the Cardinals have a shot at this guy for DC, I hope they snag this guy.
 

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Jim Caldwell might be a good, under-the-radar candidate, as well. He's an assistant head coach, though, so I don't know that he could be interviewed for the offensive coordinator job.
 

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I dont think it is really needed to have a so called offensive minded head coach. I think a defensive minded head coach who knows the value of a good offensive staff, and knows just what we have going on our offense right now, would do just as good. I guess you can say the same about the Offensive minded head coach.

I guess what I am trying to say is that in the end the best candidate for the job is the best candidate for the job no matter what side of the ball they are from. Its all about the GM and what assistant coaches they would surround themselves with.
 

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Great article thanks for your time and efforts. Its to bad ownership couldnt put together a mgnt tean from this board to run the show.
In regards to coaching,would it not be more prudent to search for a quality GM and them let him make the assesments regarding a coach?
It seems that we have always pursued the mgmt issue from the wrong side.
To me this is the most important step in turning around this franchise.
IMO The lack of a true GM seems to be the constant in the teams continuing struggles. weve had and have decent talent and arguably adequate coaching in the past but not the organization and oversight to coordinate and match their abilities.
Hope all had a great Tday and are continung to enjoy a triptophaine induced remote controlled footbal weekend.
 
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Yes indeed thanks for you Mitch!!! The only time I am not eager to read your post-game analysis and comments is when I am too demoralized from an especially bitter loss. Then I still read them but only after I have accepted the loss. Your insight and passion for this team has served to reignite mine often whenever it wanes with each seemingly endless loss and eventual losing season. I know some of those write-ups have had to have been extremely painful this year to compose. Keep up the good work Mitch!!!!!
 

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Mitch - Thanks for brightening up a promising day tarnished by a really vicious piece on the Cardinals in the NY Daily News (it rehashed the Mariucci and Bill B Jr rumors and then ripped in detail every coach we've had since Gene Stallings).

- Thanks for your regular "Inside the Game of Football" insights. I don't always agree, but never question the creds you bring to this blog.

- Thanks for technology - that enables a dude in NJ to get all the news and info he could possibly want about the Cardinals.

- Thanks for the single wing game on FSN (Detroit) - see my other thread.

- Thanks for peace and health in my family - and wherever else in the world we can find it.

And now for some Cardinal thoughts -

1. I believe Bronson was promoted partly to replace Schable - who figures to return to DE to provide depth now that B-Train is injured.

2. I believe the Cardinals have been tipping certain offensive plays - initially running plays but now pass plays as well. This, in part, is why Leinart's production has fallen off.

3. Although the O-line is run-blocking a bit better and may be keeping the sack total relatively low, it seldom gives Leinart very much time to "decide & pull the trigger." This, in turn, doesn't give our receivers enough time to separate on their defenders - so that Matt is continually trying to force the ball through tighter and tighter windows.

4. Finally, all things being equal with regard to experience, track record etc., what separates really successful HC's from average ones are human intangibles that are probably invisible to the average fan.

To illustrate, let's start off with DG as our "template" head coach. What changes would we have to make in him for the Cardinals to be successful. W's & L's? Coaching Experience? Knowledge of X's & O's? I don't think so.

Rather, it's such human qualities as (a) treating players fairly, (b) knowing what buttons to push, (c) the way he handles adversity, (e) attention to detail, (f) how demanding he is of his players? (g) judgment - i.e. knowing when and when not to pull the trigger on a coaching or player personnel change.

Without knowing which college coaches, NFL assistants and former NFL coaches have specific combinations of those various personal qualities, it's impossbile for folks not extremely close to the game to make a sensible judgment.

Having said all that, the coaching possibilites for next year that continue to intrigue me are: Bobby Petrino of Louisville (look what he did after his star QB and RB were injured), Greg Schiano of Rutgers (who is adamant he isn't going anywhere and, besides, is probably a year or two away), Jeff Fisher (should the Titans whack him) and (please don't hit me!!!!): Dennis Green. (I'm reluctant to automatically ditch him without (a) knowing what's been going on inside the organization and (b) having someone better to replace him).

Sometimes the best move you can make is no move at all.

Or not.
 
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Yes indeed thanks for you Mitch!!! The only time I am not eager to read your post-game analysis and comments is when I am too demoralized from an especially bitter loss. Then I still read them but only after I have accepted the loss. Your insight and passion for this team has served to reignite mine often whenever it wanes with each seemingly endless loss and eventual losing season. I know some of those write-ups have had to have been extremely painful this year to compose. Keep up the good work Mitch!!!!!

I was pulling like a madman for your Razorbacks this weekend. I love the creative way they run their offense. McFadden is an all-out stud...and the schemes (orchestrated by first year OC Gus Malzahn) are brilliant. I get goosebumps every time they scurry like mad hogs to the line for thier quick snap plays. The quick snap plays don't always work, but, man, are those plays fun to watch. The misdirection plays on direct snaps to McFadden are incredible. Felix Jones...he good!

Anyway...it must be boring to watch the predictably boring Cardinal offense on Sundays after watching the Razorbacks fly around on Saturdays. At least you've got your college team in good shape.
 
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Mitch - Thanks for brightening up a promising day tarnished by a really vicious piece on the Cardinals in the NY Daily News (it rehashed the Mariucci and Bill B Jr rumors and then ripped in detail every coach we've had since Gene Stallings).

- Thanks for your regular "Inside the Game of Football" insights. I don't always agree, but never question the creds you bring to this blog.

- Thanks for technology - that enables a dude in NJ to get all the news and info he could possibly want about the Cardinals.

- Thanks for the single wing game on FSN (Detroit) - see my other thread.

- Thanks for peace and health in my family - and wherever else in the world we can find it.

And now for some Cardinal thoughts -

1. I believe Bronson was promoted partly to replace Schable - who figures to return to DE to provide depth now that B-Train is injured.

2. I believe the Cardinals have been tipping certain offensive plays - initially running plays but now pass plays as well. This, in part, is why Leinart's production has fallen off.

3. Although the O-line is run-blocking a bit better and may be keeping the sack total relatively low, it seldom gives Leinart very much time to "decide & pull the trigger." This, in turn, doesn't give our receivers enough time to separate on their defenders - so that Matt is continually trying to force the ball through tighter and tighter windows.

4. Finally, all things being equal with regard to experience, track record etc., what separates really successful HC's from average ones are human intangibles that are probably invisible to the average fan.

To illustrate, let's start off with DG as our "template" head coach. What changes would we have to make in him for the Cardinals to be successful. W's & L's? Coaching Experience? Knowledge of X's & O's? I don't think so.

Rather, it's such human qualities as (a) treating players fairly, (b) knowing what buttons to push, (c) the way he handles adversity, (e) attention to detail, (f) how demanding he is of his players? (g) judgment - i.e. knowing when and when not to pull the trigger on a coaching or player personnel change.

Without knowing which college coaches, NFL assistants and former NFL coaches have specific combinations of those various personal qualities, it's impossbile for folks not extremely close to the game to make a sensible judgment.

Having said all that, the coaching possibilites for next year that continue to intrigue me are: Bobby Petrino of Louisville (look what he did after his star QB and RB were injured), Greg Schiano of Rutgers (who is adamant he isn't going anywhere and, besides, is probably a year or two away), Jeff Fisher (should the Titans whack him) and (please don't hit me!!!!): Dennis Green. (I'm reluctant to automatically ditch him without (a) knowing what's been going on inside the organization and (b) having someone better to replace him).

Sometimes the best move you can make is no move at all.

Or not.

Thanks, Jeff. I am all for Rick Petrino (you just made the edit, but I caught it before you did--an honest slip, for sure)! Can you imagine the aftergame press conferences? "You know Roy Green isn't going to walk through that door. Dan Dierdorf isn't going to walk through that door. And Neil Lomax isn't going to walk through that door!"

A couple of comments about your thoughts:

Skkorp's been worried about Leinart locking in on one receiver...but, really, the way the Cardinals elect to release James from protection duties almost every snap, Leinart doesn't have time to survey the field and/or run a normal set of progressions.

Regarding Green's X's and O's...why can't he call plays, Jeff? With his job on the line and his offense sputtering...why won't he take control? Remember three years ago when Alex Wood was having a terrible time calling plays, Green didn't step in, as the Cardinal offense was pitiful week after week. Then, on HBO, Cris Carter explained that in Minnesota Green never called the plays...and never will in Arizona or anywhere else. What does this suggest to you, Jeff?

What it suggests to me is one of two things (or both): (A) Green doesn't have a command of his so-called own offense; (B) Green doesn't have the confidence to be able to call plays well enough and/or quickly enough in games.

When Green was hired all he talked about was his Top 5 Offense and how he expected a Top 5 offense even in his first year as HC in Arizona. The question is, Jeff: Do you have any idea of what Green's offense is?

I think all the other questions you raised about Green's flaws as a communicator are legit and well articulated.

One more question, Jeff. It's a question about perception. What do you make of Edgerrin James' comment that the main reason why he signed with Arizona was because he would be playing for a coach who would take it easy on him in pre-season. Do you have a problem with this? I do.

I have a problem with the perception that Green will let players take it easy...which suggests that Green isn't all that demanding. And I have a problem that Green may have different standards for some players like James.

Many fans on this board seemed to think it was fine for James to come in and dictate to the Cardinal management that he did not want to participate in the pre-season games...and if he was to participate, that his participation should be limited.

Hello? What message does this send to the rest of the football team? How would other veterans on the team feel about James sitting out when they were being asked to play?

Another thing...if there's been one philosophy of the current offense it has been to do everything possible to get James his yards to try to keep James happy...at the expense of winning football games and doing the smart things (such as pass when there are eight defenders in the box---see Chicago--or take three knees to ensure a victory--last week).

This offense is all about stats...which is why the Cardinals almost never throw to a TE...it's all about getting James, Boldin and Fitzgerald their stats.
 

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Mitch--You post some good pieces; what's your football resume (I assume it's longer than most of ours).

Just curious.
 

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I was pulling like a madman for your Razorbacks this weekend. I love the creative way they run their offense. McFadden is an all-out stud...and the schemes (orchestrated by first year OC Gus Malzahn) are brilliant. I get goosebumps every time they scurry like mad hogs to the line for thier quick snap plays. The quick snap plays don't always work, but, man, are those plays fun to watch. The misdirection plays on direct snaps to McFadden are incredible. Felix Jones...he good!

Anyway...it must be boring to watch the predictably boring Cardinal offense on Sundays after watching the Razorbacks fly around on Saturdays. At least you've got your college team in good shape.

Gosh yes Mitch. If only the Cards be as creative as the Hogs have been on Offense this year. It is a stark contrast going from Saturday to Sunday. Special Teams and an inept Casey Dick were the difference Friday. Why Nutt stayed with Dick as long as he did boggles the mind. He has never hesitated to pull a QB midgame in the past. McFadden is a Manster among boys out there. Felix Jones can turn on the afterburners on a moments notice too.

Marcus Monk is a Senior this year and he could be the deep threat we are in need of. I don't know how long he will last come draft time though. He doesn't seem to be afraid of going over the middle either. He is a level headed kid that plays with passion. He would look great in Cardinal red.
 
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