Renz
An Army of One
Italy's defense will be the difference. Italy wins.
Renz said:Italy's defense will be the difference. Italy wins.
Stout said:I hope not. I just HATE Italy's flopping style. I mean, they could win some Olympic medals in the pool. Granted, they played a relatively clean match diving-wise against Germany, and granted Australia didn't deserve to win because of lack of aggressiveness, but Australia got JOBBED by that flopping Italian at the end of regulation. After that, I could never, ever root for this team.
Renz said:Italy's defense will be the difference. Italy wins.
BigDavis75 said:Without Nesta, France's D is just as good as Italy's.
Zeno said:Cannavaro has consistently been the best defender in the tournament--he may be the best defender in the world right now. There isn't a single French defender on par with him.
Italy's defense as a whole is playing like the best in the world, even without Nesta. French defense is solid but not even close to playing at the same level.
I think Germany wins the 3rd place game rather easily--they have more to play for than the Portugese who I feel won't even care when the game starts.
Italy and France will go to extra time. Italian depth will win out as fresh legs from Del Piero will score the game winner 1 - 0.
BigDavis75 said:So what? One player does not make a unit. Outside of Cannavaro, who is not the nest in the world, I think that every starting French defender is better than every other starting Italian defender (except for maybe Abidal). Player for player on that defense, the French are better. How can you possibly say they are not playing close to the same level? The French not only shut out the Brazilians but held them without a SOG until like the 85th, did you even watch this game? The French defense absolutely dominated the Brazilian offense and before that they held the Spanish to 1 goal (on a PK) and shut out your Portugese. To say the French D is not near the same level is simply ignorant.
Zeno said:Italy has surrendered 1 goal on an OWN goal--they are playing better than any defense, they are on their own level nobody else is even close right now. If I was building a team by unit (Defense/midfield/strikers) I'd take the Italians as I am sure most of the world would.
Did you watch the French defense versus South Korea? Italy's defense never looked that poor against better competition.
Also Buffon Vs. Barthez isn't even close and GK is as much a part of the defense as anything.
Yes they shut out the Portugese but the French were outshot over 2 - 1 in that game. The Portugese had trouble finishing all tournament long. The game versus Brazil--they played well, but 1 game isn't enough to make me feel they are better than Italy.
BigDavis75 said:Also, when you say above that Italy's units are better than those of France's, there is no way I can agree. France has the better strikers, they both run 1 forwatd and Henry is clearly better than Toni. As far as the midfield, Zidane is better than Totti and Makalele and Viera are better than Pirlo and Gatusso, Ribery is also pretty decent and Malouda is a very underrated player IMO. I would also take France's MF. As far as D, with Nesta I would take and Italy and without I would take France. On GKs, well that isn't even remotely close.
BigDavis75 said:Also, when you say above that Italy's units are better than those of France's, there is no way I can agree. France has the better strikers, they both run 1 forwatd and Henry is clearly better than Toni. As far as the midfield, Zidane is better than Totti and Makalele and Viera are better than Pirlo and Gatusso, Ribery is also pretty decent and Malouda is a very underrated player IMO. I would also take France's MF. As far as D, with Nesta I would take and Italy and without I would take France. On GKs, well that isn't even remotely close.
This is the key to the entire game IMO.Zeno said:I honestly think the MF is a lot more even, Zidane has had 2 very good games but he looked ordinary in the group stages. Italy has been much more consistent, they just haven't looked special like Zidane and Ribery have at times.
BACH said:This is the key to the entire IMO.
Zinane and Ribery is among the top 5 players at this WC, but Italy has without doubt the best overall squad. The best team will win IMO. (kinda like Colts' starplayers vs. Patriots team when I think about it)
Good game so far...
Marcelo Balboa is horrible. Even Shep Messing is better.dogpoo32 said:Gah! I can't stand Zidane and the way the commentators gush over him.
BACH said:I'm guessing Zidane won't be the tournament MVP after that!
Exactly. Not sure it made a huge impact on the game, but one of the greatest players ever will now forever be remembered for that!Chaplin said:Made absolutely no sense at all. None. Now that Italy has won it, can Zidane's bonehead red card be a major reason? Not sure since it was so close to the end.
I'm just mystified that he did that. Just speechless.