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The 4.75 is his base salary. If we let Levi go this year we take a 1.85M cap hit. Now if we let him go next year we save 1.425M.

2013 4.75 base plus 1.4M signing bonus hit plus .250K workout bonus = 6.5M.

2014 6.0 base minus 4.2M remaining bonus hit plus work out bonuses (375K). Remember that with the new CBA there is a pro rated section of the workout bonuses that count against the cap. I think its 50% of the workout bonuses. That's where I get my figures.

Wouldn't his cap hit be 5.6M this year if we cut him cause that's what he has remaining on his signing bonus?
 

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Levi is going nowhere count on it. not only that he will start but hopefully he will take another pay cut. and enough with the cap space that's an excuse cheap teams like the cardinals use to fool those fans. good teams find ways to make room. we have to target a good o lineman. Long or Albert. Albert is actually a possibility cuz the chiefs will probly draft joeckel it all depends on MB opening up his wallet for the good of the team. signing a key FA olineman would give us leway in the draft and save us a year of rebuilding
 

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Levi is going nowhere count on it. not only that he will start but hopefully he will take another pay cut. and enough with the cap space that's an excuse cheap teams like the cardinals use to fool those fans. good teams find ways to make room. we have to target a good o lineman. Long or Albert. Albert is actually a possibility cuz the chiefs will probly draft joeckel it all depends on MB opening up his wallet for the good of the team. signing a key FA olineman would give us leway in the draft and save us a year of rebuilding

'Cheap' teams are not over the CAP going into the off4eason two years in a row.
 

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I don't think Carolina is going to keep both Stewart and Williams. I'm not sure of their contract situations, but if Williams is the odd man out, he'd have to be considered. Stewart is too injury prone, and that is the last thing we need at RB.
 

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I don't understand why everyone wants to waste Wat will probity be our one and only decent FA signing on a RB??? RB's are a dime a dozen ppl. I guess that's why they are cardinals fans. lmao
 
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I really hope the Cardinals make a push for Ellerbee this offseason.
 

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RB's are a dime a dozen ppl.

If you're bringing in a guy to just be a RB, then yes, it's stupid unless he's on APs level.

But if you're bringing in a guy who returns kicks and punts, runs, and is a great pass catcher, you're filling in multiple roster needs with one signing.

That's why I like the idea of signing Reggie Bush. We get a good KR/PR (so Peterson can focus entirely on defense), we get a guy who is amazing on screen plays, and a guy who has the ability to take it the distance on any given run. A guy like that gives us a ton of roster flexibility. Then we won't have to carry a guy like LSH who we only intend to use as a special teamer most of the time. We potentially can carry 1 less WR as well.
 

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They both have acquired a reputation as guys who don't like playing to the scheme of the defense in Philly.

And our new DC is Todd Bowles late the DC of the Eagles. Now, I'm not so sure Bowles was the reason for the Eagles defensive problems but bringing in a guy who failed with a pretty decent defense tends to worry me.
 

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And our new DC is Todd Bowles late the DC of the Eagles. Now, I'm not so sure Bowles was the reason for the Eagles defensive problems but bringing in a guy who failed with a pretty decent defense tends to worry me.

Bowles took over mid-season after Juan Castillo had failed miserably. It's asking a lot to expect him to turn around that defense mid-season.
 

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And our new DC is Todd Bowles late the DC of the Eagles. Now, I'm not so sure Bowles was the reason for the Eagles defensive problems but bringing in a guy who failed with a pretty decent defense tends to worry me.

The Eagle defense was broken beyond repair by the time Bowles took over. I think just getting that defense to even show up on Sundays was a gigantic effort.
 

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Even I am willing to give Bowles a pass on last year. When he took over in Philly it was a "nuclear winter" scenario. None of that was his fault.
 

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The Eagle defense was broken beyond repair by the time Bowles took over. I think just getting that defense to even show up on Sundays was a gigantic effort.

This is nonsense, and I'd love to see some evidence of it to back up this assertion.

Juan Castillo was actually a pretty good defensive coordinator in the 16 games before he got fired. He was scapegoated in the same way that Billy Davis was here, for the same reason: to distract from an offense that couldn't stop sitting on its balls.

Philly's defense was allowing all of 19.8 PPG before Castillo got fired. They'd forced 7 turnovers in the 5 games Castillo coached, and then forced 6 in the remaining 11 games of the year.

The problem in Philly was that their offensive line was playing like hot garbage, and the offense couldn't stop turning over the ball.
 

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This is nonsense, and I'd love to see some evidence of it to back up this assertion.

Juan Castillo was actually a pretty good defensive coordinator in the 16 games before he got fired. He was scapegoated in the same way that Billy Davis was here, for the same reason: to distract from an offense that couldn't stop sitting on its balls.

Philly's defense was allowing all of 19.8 PPG before Castillo got fired. They'd forced 7 turnovers in the 5 games Castillo coached, and then forced 6 in the remaining 11 games of the year.

The problem in Philly was that their offensive line was playing like hot garbage, and the offense couldn't stop turning over the ball.

Well said.

(Bowles was stuck with Washburn's wide 9 system. So a little hard to judge him on the relatively small sample from last season.)
 

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Well said.

(Bowles was stuck with Washburn's wide 9 system. So a little hard to judge him on the relatively small sample from last season.)

I don't blame Bowles for the collapse of Philly's defense in 2012. He was put in a bad position where the defense completely gave up when things got tough. I don't think there's a structural problem with the Wide-9, excepting that Philly didn't have the linebackers to actually play in that system.

Don't judge Bowles by the Philadelphia Eagles' 2012 defense. I don't think that's fair.
 

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Obviously I'd love a guy like Paul Kruger, but that's just not happening. Nor is Branden Albert IMO.

I'd love Chris Ivory. The guy averages 5.1 YPC and is a really tough runner. I think he's restricted though.



Honestly, I don't think we have had a running back on the team who made runs like these in the video.

Sign me up for some Chris Ivory.
 

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These are some guys who should be targets for the Cardinals this March

OT- Brandon Albert I have a suspicion Joeckel may be the guy KC takes at number 1 which will allow KC to cut ties with their star LT. This is a rare situation that does not come around often if it comes to fruition. The Cardinals must make this happen. This one move could go a long way in fixing the OL by putting Albert in at LT, keep Massie at RT and move Brown to RG.

I have a very hard time seeing this. First, we are not hurting anymore at OT. Massie is a lock as RT, and Levi will compete with Potter for LT. The loser of this competition will be the backup OT, (or maybe a starting guard) . These salaries are manageable. Albert, on the other hand is looking for a pay day, and we are not in any cap shape to compete there. If we take another OT, it will be in the draft where several good ones are available at a much lesser cost to us. We may even take two or three O-linemen in the draft, because the talent is there, and the price is right. We could fix our OL for the next ten years, (WITH GOOD DEPTH), by doing so.

It will be critical for us to unload some big salaries on our roster to clear cap space for this upcoming season, not create more cap problems.
 

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...First, we are not hurting anymore at OT. Massie is a lock as RT, and Levi will compete with Potter for LT...
Welcome to the annual "Our OL Isn't All That Bad" forum.

Both Massie and Potter are promising young tackles but are nowhere where we need to be at both OT positions. Levi is one year older, coming off an injury and quite frankly not exactly Top 10 (or for that matter Top 30) at the position.

At best, you could make the case that all 3 represent lights at the end of the Tunnel of Hope.

And hope isn't going win very many football games. We need to upgrade our OL farther.
 

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I don't blame Bowles for the collapse of Philly's defense in 2012. He was put in a bad position where the defense completely gave up when things got tough. I don't think there's a structural problem with the Wide-9, excepting that Philly didn't have the linebackers to actually play in that system.

Don't judge Bowles by the Philadelphia Eagles' 2012 defense. I don't think that's fair.

This is nonsense, and I'd love to see some evidence of it to back up this assertion.

Juan Castillo was actually a pretty good defensive coordinator in the 16 games before he got fired. He was scapegoated in the same way that Billy Davis was here, for the same reason: to distract from an offense that couldn't stop sitting on its balls.

Philly's defense was allowing all of 19.8 PPG before Castillo got fired. They'd forced 7 turnovers in the 5 games Castillo coached, and then forced 6 in the remaining 11 games of the year.

Well which is it? Did the Eagles have a good defense or a bad defense? :D
 

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This goes without saying, though. We MUST slash salary by getting rid of some of these useless players.

What useless players? The ones that won 11 of 13 despite coaching that was so bad almost all of the coaches were fired at the end of last season?

Russ Grimm is gone and we have Harold Goodwin who was an offensive line coach and we haven't even hired an offensive line coach. The offensive line is already improved. And poor offensive line play is the #2 reason the Cards were 5-11 last year. (#1 of course is that they are the Cardinals and 5-11 is what they do.)

Arizona beat SF and were 4-1 in the Division in 2011 with Double Dunce at QB!!!!

The Cardinals do not have to sign even one Free Agent to compete for the Division Title this fall.

We got the players we just needed to get rid of the coaches who were coasting on their SB run.
 

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Welcome to the annual "Our OL Isn't All That Bad" forum.

Both Massie and Potter are promising young tackles but are nowhere where we need to be at both OT positions. Levi is one year older, coming off an injury and quite frankly not exactly Top 10 (or for that matter Top 30) at the position.

At best, you could make the case that all 3 represent lights at the end of the Tunnel of Hope.

And hope isn't going win very many football games. We need to upgrade our OL farther.

I'm just gonna disagree with this. Considering that Brandon Keith needed help in almost every dropback two years ago, Levi Brown wasn't among the two worst players at his position. He's probably not Top 10, but let's not pretend that there's a glut of amazing offensive left tackles in the NFL right now. He's solidly in the middle of the pack, and I'd have him as much as a bunch of other guys in the NFL right now.

Well which is it? Did the Eagles have a good defense or a bad defense? :D

They had a good defense before Castillo got fired, and a bad defense after, but I don't blame Bowles for the bad defense after, because those guys collectively decided that they weren't going to play for a coaching staff that just scapegoated them while the offense was turning over the ball at a breakneck pace.
 
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