2017-2018 Draft Prospects watch.

[JCSunsfan]

Bagley put up another 30-15 line tonight. He is the real deal, too. There is going to be so much legitimate talent in this draft class, it's just ridiculous. I really hope the Suns do bottom out this year, even though competition to be bad is going to be fierce. Even more so, I hope all three of our potential first round picks convey, as there is going to be solid quality probably all the way through the mid first round. It would be huge to get three potential starters out of this draft if everything breaks right.

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[JCSunsfan]

Young scored 43 on Oregon! I'm retroactively adding him to the list!

He does not look as fast or as athletic as other pg's. His "thing" is his herky jerky stop and go playing style. He might get eaten up in the nba. There is something about him that reminds me of Brandon Knight.

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[Mainstreet]

He does not look as fast or as athletic as other pg's. His "thing" is his herky jerky stop and go playing style. He might get eaten up in the nba. There is something about him that reminds me of Brandon Knight.

Perhaps a bit Nash-like.

 

[Ronin]

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[ColdPickleNachos]

Another interesting name I forgot...

Anfernee Simons.

 

[Ronin]

RealGM
@RealGM

NBA Execs Expect Michael Porter Jr. To Remain Top-5 Pick Despite Injury: (link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248167/NBA-Execs-Expect-Michael-Porter-Jr-To-Remain-Top-5-Pick-Despite-Injury) basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248167…

 

[JCSunsfan]

Another interesting name I forgot...

Anfernee Simons.

Are there like, only two people in the history of the world named Anfernee?

 

[JCSunsfan]

RealGM
@RealGM

NBA Execs Expect Michael Porter Jr. To Remain Top-5 Pick Despite Injury: (link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248167/NBA-Execs-Expect-Michael-Porter-Jr-To-Remain-Top-5-Pick-Despite-Injury) basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248167…

This cannot be exactly accurate. GM's will not have an NCAA season to evaluate him. So even if the injury itself has a good long term prognosis, there will remain some doubt about his ability as a basketball player because of the limited ability to evaluate (and an entire season of lost developmental time).

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Are there like, only two people in the history of the world named Anfernee?

Actually, a lot more for the very reason it's his name. Interesting note I read...Simons was named after Penny Hardaway, then went on to play with Penny's son at IMG Academy.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

This cannot be exactly accurate. GM's will not have an NCAA season to evaluate him. So even if the injury itself has a good long term prognosis, there will remain some doubt about his ability as a basketball player because of the limited ability to evaluate (and an entire season of lost developmental time).

I have a hard time seeing him picked before Bagley, Doncic, and Ayton. I also think a healthy Bamba is hard to pass up for anyone with health concerns. Then, there are always prospects who gain hype (look at Collin Sexton already).

 

[Ronin]

DraftExpressContent‏@DXContent 29s29 seconds ago
The scouting report on #Duke lead guard Trevon Duval is out for all to see, and his lack of shooting is a major issue that only compounds the inevitable lack of spacing from playing two or three big men together at the same time
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...rs-pk80-including-marvin-bagley-mohamed-bamba

 

[Russ Smith]

DraftExpressContent‏@DXContent 29s29 seconds ago
The scouting report on #Duke lead guard Trevon Duval is out for all to see, and his lack of shooting is a major issue that only compounds the inevitable lack of spacing from playing two or three big men together at the same time
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...rs-pk80-including-marvin-bagley-mohamed-bamba

A buddy of mine is a huge Duke fan and a pretty savvy guy. He's been saying for awhile now that Duval's stats are totally misleading and that one of the reasons in his opinion that Duke is struggling in some of their early games is entirely Duval and the spacing. They don't have enough shooters on the floor, they're so loaded that he gets points off runouts and gets assists off transition lobs. I guess one of the Duke boards has some guy keeping stats who says some incredibly high number of his assists are either transition dunks or set play lobs to Bagley or Carter. Not that they don't count, but that it says more about how good Bagley et al is than how good Duval is.

He's going to be fascinating there's literally not a player in the country less likely to stay for his soph year because of his lack of interest in academics, so if he's not liked by the NBA it's going to be a tough decision for him

 

[JCSunsfan]

A buddy of mine is a huge Duke fan and a pretty savvy guy. He's been saying for awhile now that Duval's stats are totally misleading and that one of the reasons in his opinion that Duke is struggling in some of their early games is entirely Duval and the spacing. They don't have enough shooters on the floor, they're so loaded that he gets points off runouts and gets assists off transition lobs. I guess one of the Duke boards has some guy keeping stats who says some incredibly high number of his assists are either transition dunks or set play lobs to Bagley or Carter. Not that they don't count, but that it says more about how good Bagley et al is than how good Duval is.

He's going to be fascinating there's literally not a player in the country less likely to stay for his soph year because of his lack of interest in academics, so if he's not liked by the NBA it's going to be a tough decision for him

Give me a pg who can distribute and shoot and does not have to drive to the hole to be effective.

 

[Ronin]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA

Asked a scout if his team sees Marvin Bagley as a PF or a C: "These guys are making us throw away the old labels. League is basically going to be point guards, wings and bigs soon. Like within a year a or two at most. So, he's just a big for us."

 

[Ronin]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Give me a pg who can distribute and shoot and does not have to drive to the hole to be effective.

Driving to the hole is the optimal way to be effective because it breaks down the defense, causing them to scramble, resulting in opportunities for the rest of the team. Now the PG still has to find the open player, but penetration is the FIRST ingredient I want in my playmaker (See KJ, Nash, Isaiah Thomas, stephon Marbury, iverson, Stockton, etc). Shooting and scoring are important to keep the defense honest and up on the pg, but driving ability and vision/passing acumen are the top traits I desire.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Driving to the hole is the optimal way to be effective because it breaks down the defense, causing them to scramble, resulting in opportunities for the rest of the team. Now the PG still has to find the open player, but penetration is the FIRST ingredient I want in my playmaker (See KJ, Nash, Isaiah Thomas, stephon Marbury, iverson, Stockton, etc). Shooting and scoring are important to keep the defense honest and up on the pg, but driving ability and vision/passing acumen are the top traits I desire.

Notice I said, "does not HAVE to drive it to the hole to be effective." I did not say, "cannot". A pg that cannot shoot clogs everything up. In today's NBA a pg that cannot shoot effectively from the outside is defective. BTW, all the players you mention could shoot from the outside and did not have to drive to the hole to be effective. With Steve Nash it was extremely important. Without his outside shooting, he would have been an average pg. His shooting opened up every other aspect of his game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Notice I said, "does not HAVE to drive it to the hole to be effective." I did not say, "cannot". A pg that cannot shoot clogs everything up. In today's NBA a pg that cannot shoot effectively from the outside is defective. BTW, all the players you mention could shoot from the outside and did not have to drive to the hole to be effective. With Steve Nash it was extremely important. Without his outside shooting, he would have been an average pg. His shooting opened up every other aspect of his game.

They could all shoot and nowhere did I downplay that importance, but it was their ability to breakdown a defense with drives that made them special. In some instances they were inter-related. I would argue that Nash could drive due to the danger of his shooting requiring a defender to play close making a pump fake and drive more attainable for a foot speed-limited pg. it was when Nash penetrated the heart of a defense and kept his dribble alive that he was most electric and absolutely killed defenses, not when he sat outside the arc and launched treys.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They could all shoot and nowhere did I downplay that importance, but it was their ability to breakdown a defense with drives that made them special. In some instances they were inter-related. I would argue that Nash could drive due to the danger of his shooting requiring a defender to play close making a pump fake and drive more attainable for a foot speed-limited pg. it was when Nash penetrated the heart of a defense and kept his dribble alive that he was most electric and absolutely killed defenses, not when he sat outside the arc and launched treys.

So. Are you arguing that you are OK with a player that can drive but cannot shoot?

I am not. That was all I was saying.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Pick watch. 6, 15, 16

 

[elindholm]

They could all shoot and nowhere did I downplay that importance, but it was their ability to breakdown a defense with drives that made them special. In some instances they were inter-related.

They're always interrelated. If you can't drive, the defense plays in your pocket and you can't get room to shoot. If you can't shoot, the defense plays off of you and you can't drive around them. A top PG has to be great at both.

 

[Ronin]

DraftExpressContent‏@DXContent 51s51 seconds ago




.@KUHoops senior @Devonte_Graham4 scored a career-high 35 PTS (14/19 on FG's, 5/8 on 3's) as the #Jayhawks routed #Toledo 95-58 last night In 6 games this season the 6'2 + 22 year old guard prospect is averaging per-40 minute stats of 18.6 PTS, 10 ASTS, 5.7 REBS + 2.7 STLS

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So. Are you arguing that you are OK with a player that can drive but cannot shoot?

I am not. That was all I was saying.

I never said anything of the sort. Just that I pace greater importance for breaking down a defense on driving than shooting.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They're always interrelated. If you can't drive, the defense plays in your pocket and you can't get room to shoot. If you can't shoot, the defense plays off of you and you can't drive around them. A top PG has to be great at both.

I think they have to be great at one and at least adequate at the other.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

DraftExpressContent‏@DXContent 51s51 seconds ago




.@KUHoops senior @Devonte_Graham4 scored a career-high 35 PTS (14/19 on FG's, 5/8 on 3's) as the #Jayhawks routed #Toledo 95-58 last night In 6 games this season the 6'2 + 22 year old guard prospect is averaging per-40 minute stats of 18.6 PTS, 10 ASTS, 5.7 REBS + 2.7 STLS

I was a big fan of Graham last year. Think he will be a good pro and will go possibly mid 1st.