2019 Free Agency

[Mainstreet]

Waiving and stretching Chandler and Dudley isn't really a good plan since doing so would eat up around $7-8 million a year for the next 3 years. It's best to pay them this season and be done with it. We'll keep at least one of them as a locker room leader/veteran voice anyways.

Even if we did free up around $16 million in extra free agent money, who was there to sign at PG?

Making a turnaround to get us into the playoffs next season is unrealistic and paying for a short term solution like that is exactly what so many fans had bashed McD and Sarver for in the past. There aren't any big name PG's available right now that are making that much money. If there were then I'm sure they'd consider taking on an expiring contract with whatever else was offered. If there was some way to add a PG who could help beyond this season then the Suns might have bit the bullet and waived one or both of those 2 but you're the first person I've seen suggest that as the route they should have taken.

It is very short sighted because they'd be stuck with $8 million in dead cap space for 3 years, that's MLE money that they couldn't spend elsewhere. All in an effort to get where exactly? The playoffs and close to a 30 win turnaround?

I particularly agree because the Suns have plans to use this money next off-season.

Also the Suns might stretch Knight if he does not play way well this season.

 

[GatorAZ]

Their stretched contracts would have come off the books at the same time Jackson next contract would kick in and before Ayton is eligible.

They would not really have hurt us since we would have been over the cap but not close to the luxury tax.

Their are a bunch of free agents out there who will sign reasonable deals. We could have given Ariza a smaller deal but multiple years, we could have made a play for Avery Bradley or Derrick Favors or Julius Randle or Demarcus Cousins, Tony Parker all of them signed reasonable contracts.

Wayne Ellington is still a free agent, Shabazz Napier, Montrezl Harrell, Marcus Smart, Jabari Parker..

I actually would like to see us pick up Jamaal Crawford for the veteran minimum.

I’m surprised you wanted any of guys. I can’t any legitimate reason why they should sign Crawford.

 

[Suns_fan69]

if we dont land a star that fits with the team it will have been a failure to wait for 2019.

We could have gotten massive capspace this year if they waived and stretched Chandler and Dudley pretty much just as much capspace as they will have in 2019 but this year the market was very favorable to teams signing players.

I had this vague recollection that you couldn't stretch more than one player at any given point in time. Turns out I was partially correct:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q65

If a team elects to stretch the team salary charge, it must inform the league by 11:59 PM on the day following the day the player clears waivers. A team is not permitted to stretch the team salary charge if in any future season the team salary charges for all the team's waived players (and other former players) would add up to more than 15% of the salary cap for the season in which the player is waived. Teams are not allowed to stretch only a portion of a waived player's salary, either to conform to the 15% limit, or for any other reason.

I think the cap for 2018-19 is projected to be somewhere near 103-104 million and the combined salary of Dudley/Chandler is just north of $23 million, assuming (https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html is correct). That means we can't stretch both.

It also means we can't stretch Knight and basically anyone else as he's almost 15% by himself.

 

[Chaplin]

Their stretched contracts would have come off the books at the same time Jackson next contract would kick in and before Ayton is eligible.

They would not really have hurt us since we would have been over the cap but not close to the luxury tax.

Their are a bunch of free agents out there who will sign reasonable deals. We could have given Ariza a smaller deal but multiple years, we could have made a play for Avery Bradley or Derrick Favors or Julius Randle or Demarcus Cousins, Tony Parker all of them signed reasonable contracts.

Wayne Ellington is still a free agent, Shabazz Napier, Montrezl Harrell, Marcus Smart, Jabari Parker..

I actually would like to see us pick up Jamaal Crawford for the veteran minimum.

I'm not sure you're quite understanding what the organization's overall goals are.

 

[slinslin]

I had this vague recollection that you couldn't stretch more than one player at any given point in time. Turns out I was partially correct:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q65


I think the cap for 2018-19 is projected to be somewhere near 103-104 million and the combined salary of Dudley/Chandler is just north of $23 million, assuming (https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html is correct). That means we can't stretch both.

It also means we can't stretch Knight and basically anyone else as he's almost 15% by himself.

team salary charges for all the team's waived players

It is the waived players salary charge not his current salary.

Chandler's strech charge is 4.5M$, Dudley 3.1M$ - the salary cap is 101 million. So yes we could have streched both.

In fact we could have streched Knight, Chandler and Dudley and be under 15% of the salary cap for waived players.

 

[Mainstreet]

I forgot about Montrezl Harrell. He is a load and would be a nice backup at center.

 

[slinslin]

I'm not sure you're quite understanding what the organization's overall goals are.

Thanks for your valueable contribution.

 

[Suns_fan69]

team salary charges for all the team's waived players

It is the waived players salary charge not his current salary.

Chandler's strech charge is 4.5M$, Dudley 3.1M$ - the salary cap is 101 million. So yes we could have streched both.

In fact we could have streched Knight, Chandler and Dudley and be under 15% of the salary cap for waived players.

Ah, good catch. I stand corrected.

 

[slinslin]

I’m surprised you wanted any of guys. I can’t any legitimate reason why they should sign Crawford.

He is one of the best teammates in the NBA, won this years teammate of the year award and would simply be a great veteran addition.

 

[slinslin]

As it stand we will only have about 20M$ caproom next year now that we extended Booker early unless we trade both of our picks and decline options on Bender, Chriss and Jackson or stretch Knight next year when the stretch would be over just 3 years instead of 5.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=16041305525b4789f71fd7b210709453

So we are likely to have less capspace next year than what we could have created this year. The only argument to sit out this years favorable buyers market would be to target a specific star FA next year because this free agent class was weak besides George, Lebron. If you don't get that star next year that is a failure. A lot of teams will have capspace next year so it will be very hard to get good deals on non-max players.

 

[GatorAZ]

He is one of the best teammates in the NBA, won this years teammate of the year award and would simply be a great veteran addition.

With Knight back and Ariza they’ll have vets that actually contribute on the court. I never really bought into Dudley being a leader cause he doesn’t play. I don’t care about Daniels but Crawford would take minutes from Okobo/Bridges.

 

[slinslin]

If Crawford takes minutes from those guys they are simply not good enough yet. The Suns said many times that they expect everyone to earn their minutes next year and not hand out minutes to simply develop guys.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If Crawford takes minutes from those guys they are simply not good enough yet. The Suns said many times that they expect everyone to earn their minutes next year and not hand out minutes to simply develop guys.

He doesn't fill a position of need. With 18 years in the league already it's no surprise that he's showing signs of declining. And no matter what they said, they are going to need to play guys for development purposes. The young players won't be given major minutes unless they earn it but over-crowding the field makes no sense.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah, no to Crawford.

 

[JCSunsfan]

if we dont land a star that fits with the team it will have been a failure to wait for 2019.

We could have gotten massive capspace this year if they waived and stretched Chandler and Dudley pretty much just as much capspace as they will have in 2019 but this year the market was very favorable to teams signing players.

You are right about this year vs next year. Who would you have signed though?

 

[BC867]

*berth

Besides that, though, your post is irrefutable.

As long as the Suns have missed the playoffs, it would be like a re-birth.

 

[BC867]

I am guessing he means "bluffing."

Spell check does that a lot. It has become necessary to proofread every post carefully.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not a fan of spending money just to spend it. There are not appetizing free agents this year. Favors got 18 mil a year from the Jazz, I really would not have wanted to outbid that, we obviously were not getting either of the stars, I'm was weary of Cousins BEFORE he blew out his achillies and the Pelicans got better without him.

I'm not sure if we'll land a stud next year, but if we still need a PG there will be a LOT of options at a lot of price ranges. I do know that I don't feel like the Suns missed out on anyone this year.

The only dude who even somewhat peeked my interest to give a multiyear deal to was Van Fleet.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm not a fan of spending money just to spend it. There are not appetizing free agents this year. Favors got 18 mil a year from the Jazz, I really would not have wanted to outbid that, we obviously were not getting either of the stars, I'm was weary of Cousins BEFORE he blew out his achillies and the Pelicans got better without him.

I'm not sure if we'll land a stud next year, but if we still need a PG there will be a LOT of options at a lot of price ranges. I do know that I don't feel like the Suns missed out on anyone this year.

The only dude who even somewhat peeked my interest to give a multiyear deal to was Van Fleet.

I know I've seen a poster or two bemoan the fact that the Suns didn't fill their other critical need (PG), but I agree, the only guy that was available that piqued my interest was Van Vleet and I don't think I would throw good assets at getting him, or paying more than what the Raptors paid.

I think it will help them team to play all of the young guys like Harrison and Okobo and have Booker run the team a bit.

 

[Bufalay]

*berth

Besides that, though, your post is irrefutable.

*birth

 

[AzStevenCal]

*birth

His correction was correct, where are you going with this? Is it humor?

 

[Mainstreet]

Looking ahead in regard to CAP space for 2019.

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[Bufalay]

His correction was correct, where are you going with this? Is it humor?

Yes, the post read a lot funnier in its uncorrected form.

 

[sunsfan88]

Looking ahead in regard to CAP space for 2019.

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So many teams are gonna have cap space in 2019 that I think it’s gonna be a repeat of the 2016 off season.

I feel like it’s gonna be more beneficial to have cap space in 2020 because I think most teams will blow their load next summer itself.

 

[Mainstreet]

So many teams are gonna have cap space in 2019 that I think it’s gonna be a repeat of the 2016 off season.

I feel like it’s gonna be more beneficial to have cap space in 2020 because I think most teams will blow their load next summer itself.

It makes sense. I hadn't thought beyond the 2019 free agency. However, the Suns can't always be about the future.

IMO, the bottom line is not about the available money so much as the Suns need to become an attractive destination for free agents.

The Suns youngsters, after Booker, especially Ayton, Jackson and Bridges need to show they are forming a winning core.