2019 Free Agency

[Chaplin]

Who is this guy talking about Oubre? Reliable? Don’t toy with my emotions.


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My first guess is... no, he is not reliable at all.

 

[Rab]

My first guess is... no, he is not reliable at all.

ARRRRRGH!!!!! Kawhi is holding everything up and it’s driving me crazy.


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[Cheesebeef]

this smell a lot like the 2003 Rod Graves building the belly of the team off-season... right down to trading the 6th pick where a position of desperate need was there for the taking that we traded back for two a couple of middling prospects.

I DO think this team will be better, but to what end? I think they're looking at a 30-40 win team for the next three years. Hope to be proven wrong as we wrack up the whitest, most unathletic bench I've ever seen to go with an average athletic starting lineup.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

True, but no one else is making $50 million a year.

Yet

 

[Yuma]

Basically Gambo said Kawhi is holding up Oubre decision. The feeling is, Oubre's camp wants to wait to see where Kawhi goes, and then if he gets an offer. It sounds like more of a Clippers chance tp offer than Lakers, but who knows?

 

[JCSunsfan]

this smell a lot like the 2003 Rod Graves building the belly of the team off-season... right down to trading the 6th pick where a position of desperate need was there for the taking that we traded back for two a couple of middling prospects.

I DO think this team will be better, but to what end? I think they're looking at a 30-40 win team for the next three years. Hope to be proven wrong as we wrack up the whitest, most unathletic bench I've ever seen to go with an average athletic starting lineup.

Funny how we are complaining about the black management team (JJ and Monty) going out and getting white guys to fill the bench. There is some irony in that after the years we had with a pasty white GM named McDonough prioritizing athleticism above everything.

 

[Yuma]

Funny how we are complaining about the black management team (JJ and Monty) going out and getting white guys to fill the bench. There is some irony in that after the years we had with a pasty white GM named McDonough prioritizing athleticism above everything.

Also, this is the most unathletic NBA team ever! White guys, unathletic. Hmmmm. Stereo type much?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Also, this is the most unathletic NBA team ever! White guys, unathletic. Hmmmm. Stereo type much?

To be fair, saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all fairly unathletic. These guys aren’t Rex Chapmans. Rubio is likely the most athletic of them all and I’ve never heard it said that he was athletic.

 

[1Sun]

To be fair, saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all fairly unathletic. These guys aren’t Rex Chapmans. Rubio is likely the most athletic of them all and I’ve never heard it said that he was athletic.

Chapman, Majerle, Chambers and Ainge are four of the most athletic players we have ever had. It's not about race. It's about athleticism, or lack thereof. With its current make-up, this Suns roster will be run and jumped off the court.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Who is this guy talking about Oubre? Reliable? Don’t toy with my emotions.


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He is a good friend of Brawadis. Who happens to be real close to devin Booker. Doubt it has legs though

 

[devilalum]

ARRRRRGH!!!!! Kawhi is holding everything up and it’s driving me crazy.


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Relax

Games don’t start til Halloween.


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[devilalum]

To be fair, saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all fairly unathletic. These guys aren’t Rex Chapmans. Rubio is likely the most athletic of them all and I’ve never heard it said that he was athletic.

Steph Curry isn’t all that athletic either.


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[1Sun]

Steph Curry isn’t all that athletic either.


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Indeed...but a team of Steph Currys gets decimated by a team of Kawhi Leonards...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Also, this is the most unathletic NBA team ever! White guys, unathletic. Hmmmm. Stereo type much?

I have no problem with the idea of being color blind and not judging guys athleticism solely on the color of their skin. Porziginis is an athletic freak. Hayward's was a solid athlete pre-leg injury. But you'd have to be LITERALLY blind to argue that saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all good NBA athletes and all of them save Rubio are flat out below average defenders. Throw Cam into that mix as another unathletic guy and in today's NBA, I don't know how well that ends up working, especially when it looks like JJ might be gone leaving the entire team with TWO great athletes.

 

[1Sun]

I have no problem with the idea of being color blind and not judging guys athleticism solely on the color of their skin. Porziginis is an athletic freak. Hayward's was a solid athlete pre-leg injury. But you'd have to be LITERALLY blind to argue that saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all good NBA athletes and all of them save Rubio are flat out below average defenders. Throw Cam into that mix as another unathletic guy and in today's NBA, I don't know how well that ends up working, especially when it looks like JJ might be gone leaving the entire team with TWO great athletes.

Who is the second?

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have no problem with the idea of being color blind and not judging guys athleticism solely on the color of their skin. Porziginis is an athletic freak. Hayward's was a solid athlete pre-leg injury. But you'd have to be LITERALLY blind to argue that saric, kaminsky, Jerome, Rubio, Baynes are all good NBA athletes and all of them save Rubio are flat out below average defenders. Throw Cam into that mix as another unathletic guy and in today's NBA, I don't know how well that ends up working, especially when it looks like JJ might be gone leaving the entire team with TWO great athletes.

Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Ayton, Jackson

I would consider all these great athletes. Booker's speed puts him in that category. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Funny how we are complaining about the black management team (JJ and Monty) going out and getting white guys to fill the bench. There is some irony in that after the years we had with a pasty white GM named McDonough prioritizing athleticism above everything.

I don't know how much I buy this. Last off-season was supposedly all about adding shooting AND athleticism. Ariza was lauded by a lot here as a great 3 and D guy (you in particular continually referred to him as "in his prime") but he wasn't a super athlete and in the draft they used two first round picks on what everyone here called one of the "the most ready prospects" in the draft with Bridges, who was another 3 and D guy, with only good, not great athleticism but who's shooting would immediately transfer over to the league.

and literally NONE of his picks prioritized athleticism over everything else. TJ Warren wasn't a great athlete. Booker wasn't a great athlete. Len wasn't a great athlete.

The only guy who seemed to overwhelm McDonough athletically was Josh Jackson.

 

[1Sun]

Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Ayton, Jackson

I would consider all these great athletes. Booker's speed puts him in that category. Just my opinion of course.

Booker is a below average athlete. It's why he slipped in the draft and also why his defense is subpar despite his best efforts. Booker is crafty, not speedy.

Bridges is also a below average athlete. It was the primary knock on him going into the draft last year.

Jackson is gone. We all know that.

Oubre isn't re-signed yet, and his athleticism is average.

That leaves Ayton as an elite athlete on this roster. Just Ayton.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Ayton, Jackson

I would consider all these great athletes. Booker's speed puts him in that category. Just my opinion of course.

They aren't great athletes by NBA standards. Ayton and Oubre are superior athletes. Bridges and Booker are good athletes. And from what everyone's saying here, Jackson's probably as good as gone.

 

[1Sun]

I don't know how much I buy this. Last off-season was supposedly all about adding shooting AND athleticism. Ariza was lauded by a lot here as a great 3 and D guy (you in particular continually referred to him as "in his prime") but he wasn't a super athlete and in the draft they used two first round picks on what everyone here called one of the "the most ready prospects" in the draft with Bridges, who was another 3 and D guy, with only good, not great athleticism but who's shooting would immediately transfer over to the league.

and literally NONE of his picks prioritized athleticism over everything else. TJ Warren wasn't a great athlete. Booker wasn't a great athlete. Len wasn't a great athlete.

The only guy who seemed to overwhelm McDonough athletically was Josh Jackson.

And Marquese Chriss.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't know how much I buy this. Last off-season was supposedly all about adding shooting AND athleticism. Ariza was lauded by a lot here as a great 3 and D guy (you in particular continually referred to him as "in his prime") but he wasn't a super athlete and in the draft they used two first round picks on what everyone here called one of the "the most ready prospects" in the draft with Bridges, who was another 3 and D guy, with only good, not great athleticism but who's shooting would immediately transfer over to the league.

and literally NONE of his picks prioritized athleticism over everything else. TJ Warren wasn't a great athlete. Booker wasn't a great athlete. Len wasn't a great athlete.

The only guy who seemed to overwhelm McDonough athletically was Josh Jackson.

Chriss was also in mind.

Did I say "in his prime" a lot? I don't remember. Really, I don't. Anyway, your assessment of McD is different and that's fine, it's not a hill I am willing to die on.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Chriss was also in mind.

Did I say "in his prime" a lot? I don't remember. Really, I don't. Anyway, your assessment of McD is different and that's fine, it's not a hill I am willing to die on.

yeah. it was weird... and usually in response to me wondering why everyone was celebrating what a great pickup he was... after we just added our 33rd SF in the draft right before FA.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Maybe the Suns will slow their tempo down?

 

[1Sun]

Maybe the Suns will slow their tempo down?

I am getting a sinking feeling that the plan is to try to emulate the Virginia Cavaliers.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe the Suns will slow their tempo down?

I'd think if the team was looking at being this weak defensively, they'd want to run, shoot as much as possible... but you need athletes for that.

it's why I fear a really weird, kinda ugly team. They REALLY need Oubre to come back. If all those unathletic dudes are just spot players and our core really revolves around Book, Oubre, a much improved Ayton and Bridges, spot duty for the others won't kill them. But Oubre is the difference i think between this team possibly winning 30-35 games or not being much better than last year.