2020 Free Agents - How do we fill this roster? Who do you want?

[Chopper0080]

The ones on the front page of this thread, haha.

LT
RT
C
DE (x2)
ILB
OLB
WR

We don't have starting players under contract at these positions. You could argue that we're just going to start Isabella or Butler at one of the WR spots I guess, and Zach Allen at DE, but none of those players have shown anything at all.

You simply have to find players to man these 8 spots before you start even thinking about upgrades or "nice-to-have" players.

lol...

LT is DJ Humphries one way or another.

RT is a hole but one with options in both FA and the Draft

C - the Cardinals are more comfortable with Shipley than we are, but we still have Cole, Gaillard, FA and the draft. Similar to WR situation.

DE - Yes, but we have a pick in Allen that you don't want to invalidate on the roster and Gunter who we can re-sign. Another position that has options in FA and early in the draft.

ILB - a hole, but I don't think you need to spend big to fill it.

WR - Not a roster hole, but needs a #1 to upgrade the unit. Draft only.

OLB - Lots of mid range options in FA and rounds 2 - 4 in the draft can give depth.

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My summary.

Needs - no roster options
RT
DE
OLB
ILB
S

Wants
#1 WR (draft only)
#1a CB (FA only)
C (better than Shipley/Cole/Gaillard)

 

[Chopper0080]

Agreed we will be spending next to zero on the DB wether that’s in FA or a top pick. This team has to focus on front 7 and OL. Without those fixed we will see no improvement from this year.


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Accept that few of the top defenses in the NFL have weak secondaries...

 

[HoodieBets]

Accept that few of the top defenses in the NFL have weak secondaries...

We don’t need a top defense we just need one in the top 15 and that can get off the field on 3rd down with QB pressure. Without chandler we have zero pass rush.


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[b8rtm8nn]

Accept that few of the top defenses in the NFL have weak secondaries...

The best defenses, DVOA wise, dominate either the rush or the pass defense; and the higher rated defenses have more strength in pass defense (only CAR bucks this trend this year). This supports your argument of building a strength and building up the back end of the defense first.

 

[HoodieBets]

The best defenses, DVOA wise, dominate either the rush or the pass defense; and the higher rated defenses have more strength in pass defense (only CAR bucks this trend this year). This supports your argument of building a strength and building up the back end of the defense first.

The best DBs will get burned every time if there is no pressure we saw that here for years before chandler.


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[DVontel]

The best DBs will get burned every time if there is no pressure we saw that here for years before chandler.


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Depends.

Eagles have a great pass-rush, but it doesn’t matter much because their pathetic CBs are getting burned every week.

 

[DVontel]

Give me an average pass rush/elite secondary over elite pass rush/average.


You can scheme up a quick passing game against an elite pass rush. Much harder to do it against elite coverage.

 

[Finito]

Accept that few of the top defenses in the NFL have weak secondaries...

name me a top defense that has a weak pass rush. One hand washes the other. If you let any QB sit in the pocket with time they will find someone one

 

[Krangodnzr]

name me a top defense that has a weak pass rush. One hand washes the other. If you let any QB sit in the pocket with time they will find someone one

The Patriots dont really have great pass rushers.

Great coverage leads to more coverage sacks.

 

[Solar7]

lol...

LT is DJ Humphries one way or another.

RT is a hole but one with options in both FA and the Draft

C - the Cardinals are more comfortable with Shipley than we are, but we still have Cole, Gaillard, FA and the draft. Similar to WR situation.

DE - Yes, but we have a pick in Allen that you don't want to invalidate on the roster and Gunter who we can re-sign. Another position that has options in FA and early in the draft.

ILB - a hole, but I don't think you need to spend big to fill it.

WR - Not a roster hole, but needs a #1 to upgrade the unit. Draft only.

OLB - Lots of mid range options in FA and rounds 2 - 4 in the draft can give depth.

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My summary.

Needs - no roster options
RT
DE
OLB
ILB
S

Wants
#1 WR (draft only)
#1a CB (FA only)
C (better than Shipley/Cole/Gaillard)

LT - I don't agree with you about it being Humphries one way or the other. Too many factors. He could hold out if tagged, or if we don't tag him, decide to go elsewhere for a litany of reasons. Regardless of it being him or not him, we have to pay someone here, and it's a big chunk of our cap space.

RT - we agree on. Still gotta pay the guy. Chunk of cap space.

C - Shipley is not signed. We are actively working to extend him, according to reports, which means the ship has sailed on Mason Cole. Gaillard is a 6th round pick who should not be counted on. If either is the starter week one (barring an injury), I'll buy you a six pack of beer. Even if it's still Shipley, chunk of cap space.

DE - I'd be really amazed if day one we decided we're going to trot Kyle Allen out as a starter. In the rotation, yeah, but as the unquestioned starter? Nah. Or not sign anyone else but bringing back Gunter, essentially keeping this piss poor squad the same year over year. You have to admit we need to find players to play here. Either way, this represents... 1-2x, a chunk of cap space.

ILB - Again agreed, but... chunk of cap space.

WR - if we stand pat at this position, who do you think becomes the #2? Sure, we could draft Lamb or Jeudy, but counting on that as early as December seems odd. Even if it's done in the draft... chunk of cap space, and we won't be addressing the other positions listed.

OLB - we need way more than depth. No Suggs, no Cassius Marsh, absolutely no starting options. Chunk of cap space.

Which bring us to...

S - I am not arguing that competition or a veteran here is a bad idea, just that we have two young guys who have gotten a considerable amount of playing time and could be relied on to be starters. I don't see it as logical to go spend premiere money on a position where we actually have options, especially compared to the other openings, and at a position that each year shows veterans wildly available and struggling to sign anywhere. Paying a premium here really limits us elsewhere.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think Jalen Thompson has looked pretty solid and has a future too.

Could not agree more. He’s got that look. Jmho.

 

[Finito]

The Patriots dont really have great pass rushers.

Great coverage leads to more coverage sacks.

no but the last few great defenses to win championships have had great pass rushes.

you can argue this all day long they go hand in hand they both help each other out, but the highest paid defensive players play up front

 

[overseascardfan]

FA #1 - Bud Dupree - He and Jones will make each other better.
FA #2 - Corey Littelton - Obviously fills a need next to Hicks.
FA #3 - Hunter Henry - Clay is a FA so we need a pass catching TE.
FA #4 - Arik Armstead - Stealing a key player from a division rival kills two birds with one stone.
FA #5 - Danny Shelton - Adds depth to interior line.
FA #6 - James Bradberry - Could use a safety valve should Alford or Peterson miss time next year.
FA #7 - Ha Ha Clinton Dix - Ball Hawking FS this team has been lacking.

Draft OL, WR and depth.

 

[HoodieBets]

FA #1 - Bud Dupree - He and Jones will make each other better.
FA #2 - Corey Littelton - Obviously fills a need next to Hicks.
FA #3 - Hunter Henry - Clay is a FA so we need a pass catching TE.
FA #4 - Arik Armstead - Stealing a key player from a division rival kills two birds with one stone.
FA #5 - Danny Shelton - Adds depth to interior line.
FA #6 - James Bradberry - Could use a safety valve should Alford or Peterson miss time next year.
FA #7 - Ha Ha Clinton Dix - Ball Hawking FS this team has been lacking.

Draft OL, WR and depth.

Where the hell we getting all this money? After we sign the guys already on this roster to stay we may be down to around 25m left not including draft picks and other depth pickups.

If Fitz stays and we tag DJ there’s $25 mil of the cap for next year gone. People think we have all this cap when we really don’t.


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[GuernseyCard]

FA #1 - Humphries
FA #2 - Fitz

FA # 3 ++++ = who knows?

 

[Solar7]

FA #1 - Bud Dupree - He and Jones will make each other better.
FA #2 - Corey Littelton - Obviously fills a need next to Hicks.
FA #3 - Hunter Henry - Clay is a FA so we need a pass catching TE.
FA #4 - Arik Armstead - Stealing a key player from a division rival kills two birds with one stone.
FA #5 - Danny Shelton - Adds depth to interior line.
FA #6 - James Bradberry - Could use a safety valve should Alford or Peterson miss time next year.
FA #7 - Ha Ha Clinton Dix - Ball Hawking FS this team has been lacking.

Draft OL, WR and depth.

So... don't address the OL at all in FA when we need three starters? Or is this without re-signing our own guys? If so, where are we getting that money?

 

[DVontel]

So... don't address the OL at all in FA when we need three starters? Or is this without re-signing our own guys? If so, where are we getting that money?

Why oh why are you continue to deny that Humphries will be our starter in 2020...?

 

[Solar7]

Why oh why are you continue to deny that Humphries will be our starter in 2020...?

Regardless of whether he is or not, we still have to pay him. I think he will be our starter, but he's either going to get $14 million or whatever while franchised, or a $30-$35 million signing bonus (or whatever he gets, I don't want to nitpick those numbers in this thread). For all intents and purposes, we do not have a starting Left Tackle signed to play in 2020 yet. So that is going to bite a chunk out of the cap number everyone is so excited about.

Edit: My point is, people are acting like we get $77 million plus DJ, when we get $77 million minus whatever DJ costs, with other positions that absolutely must be addressed.

 

[slanidrac16]

Where the hell we getting all this money? After we sign the guys already on this roster to stay we may be down to around 25m left not including draft picks and other depth pickups.

If Fitz stays and we tag DJ there’s $25 mil of the cap for next year gone. People think we have all this cap when we really don’t.


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I agree. But signing his #1 and #2 choice along with our own FA would be awesome.

 

[HoodieBets]

I agree. But signing his #1 and #2 choice along with our own FA would be awesome.

Bud Dupree is going to get just under Khalil Mack money. He’s going to want in the range of 4 yr 80m with $20m+ signing bonus. If we do that then chandler is going to say screw you I outplay him and your gonna pay him more. Bud Dupree will not be a signing this team makes for many reasons.


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[Solar7]

Bud Dupree is going to get just under Khalil Mack money. He’s going to want in the range of 4 yr 80m with $20m+ signing bonus. If we do that then chandler is going to say screw you I outplay him and your gonna pay him more. Bud Dupree will not be a signing this team makes for many reasons.


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I'm on board. We can definitely hope that on average we sign guys who are decent upgrades across the board, but I wouldn't anticipate being able to sign any marquee FAs to this roster.

 

[juza76]

1st resign DJ Humphries

Then i would do these additions through free agency

OC rodney Hudson will be 31 but just 4games missed in seven seasons

OT George Fant a Sweezy type of signings, let him compete with a rookie (second rounder)

DE Chris Jones kind of player we really need to change drastically this defense

ILB Corey Littleton a great cover lb to pair with Hicks



Draft :

1 CEEDEE LAMB WR
2 trade up for wirf or draft OT Leatherwood/Jones /mecky Becton
3 pass rusher Kenny Willakees/ Bradley Anae
4 Zach Moss rb utah
Add a ilb and nose tackle late

 

[TheCardFan]

How do we get Chris Jones from KC? He will probably get 18-20m/year (Donald is at 22m)

KC certainly can't pay him with what they have paid Frank Clark, T Hill, honey badger, and Watkins (dude is stealing again).

Can they even franchise him at 17m? I think they will only have 21m in total cap space for 2020.

 

[Chopper0080]

The best DBs will get burned every time if there is no pressure we saw that here for years before chandler.


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You can argue to try to be right or you can listen and hear what data is saying.

 

[Chopper0080]

LT - I don't agree with you about it being Humphries one way or the other. Too many factors. He could hold out if tagged, or if we don't tag him, decide to go elsewhere for a litany of reasons. Regardless of it being him or not him, we have to pay someone here, and it's a big chunk of our cap space.

RT - we agree on. Still gotta pay the guy. Chunk of cap space.

C - Shipley is not signed. We are actively working to extend him, according to reports, which means the ship has sailed on Mason Cole. Gaillard is a 6th round pick who should not be counted on. If either is the starter week one (barring an injury), I'll buy you a six pack of beer. Even if it's still Shipley, chunk of cap space.

DE - I'd be really amazed if day one we decided we're going to trot Kyle Allen out as a starter. In the rotation, yeah, but as the unquestioned starter? Nah. Or not sign anyone else but bringing back Gunter, essentially keeping this piss poor squad the same year over year. You have to admit we need to find players to play here. Either way, this represents... 1-2x, a chunk of cap space.

ILB - Again agreed, but... chunk of cap space.

WR - if we stand pat at this position, who do you think becomes the #2? Sure, we could draft Lamb or Jeudy, but counting on that as early as December seems odd. Even if it's done in the draft... chunk of cap space, and we won't be addressing the other positions listed.

OLB - we need way more than depth. No Suggs, no Cassius Marsh, absolutely no starting options. Chunk of cap space.

Which bring us to...

S - I am not arguing that competition or a veteran here is a bad idea, just that we have two young guys who have gotten a considerable amount of playing time and could be relied on to be starters. I don't see it as logical to go spend premiere money on a position where we actually have options, especially compared to the other openings, and at a position that each year shows veterans wildly available and struggling to sign anywhere. Paying a premium here really limits us elsewhere.

I don't understand how you can argue to pencil in Jalen Thompson as a starter at S, but not Zach Allen as a starter at DE? It is the same argument essentially. If, as it is IMO, a pick and choose, I would rather pay a S who is going to get 100% of snaps vs a DE who is going to see 60%.