2021-22 Around the NBA Thread

[Proximo]

Jokic has no business being in this discussion with his team in 6th place

Disagree. Statistically he is by far the best player, and it is a miracle that team is in 6th place.

I think he deserves it more then Embid, and if he was in a bigger market the media would to.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jokic has no business being in this discussion with his team in 6th place

that team around him is absolute, total trash. It's a miracle they're 6th in the West and that's only because of how incredible Jokic is.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Being the best player on a poor to mediocre team that puts up big stats due to the talent around them doesn't make you MVP of the league.

This is well established.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Disagree. Statistically he is by far the best player, and it is a miracle that team is in 6th place.

I think he deserves it more then Embid, and if he was in a bigger market the media would to.

Statistically far?

Player 1: 29.7 PPG 11.6 RPG 5.8 APG 1 SPG 1.4 BPG 3.2 TOPG
Player 2: 26.3 PPG 13.6 RPG 8 APG 1.4 SPG .9 BPG 3.7 TOPG

 

[Suns_fan69]

Being the best player on a poor to mediocre team that puts up big stats due to the talent around them doesn't make you MVP of the league.

This is well established.

Normally I would agree, but, Russell Westbrook is a notable exception here and precedence has been set. RW had a historic season, averaging the triple-double, but the Thunder were 47-35 and was the 6th seed. Denver is likely to finish with a higher record, but same seeding.

That being said, Jokic does not have the same narrative going for him and as you point out, he hasn't separated himself from the pack as far as stats go.

 

[Dback Jon]

Being the best player on a poor to mediocre team that puts up big stats due to the talent around them doesn't make you MVP of the league.

This is well established.

At least that’s What they said about booker

 

[Cheesebeef]

Being the best player on a poor to mediocre team that puts up big stats due to the talent around them doesn't make you MVP of the league.

This is well established.

Really? They’re on pace to win 49 or 50 games. That’s not poor or mediocre.

Also Russell Westbrook says you’re wrong. As does MJ when he won his first MVP in 1988 when he… you won… you guessed it, 50 games making that Bulls team “poor to mediocre”. And do you know why those guys won those MVPs? Because they were doing things never seen before on the court and lifting bad teams to playoff status.

Just like Jokic.

There’s precedent for this when someone is going above and beyond.

 

[Cheesebeef]

At least that’s What they said about booker

Booker never put up the numbers in every category that Jokic is and Booker’s teams never got into the playoffs where Jokic has consistently dragged his team… and even won a round without his second best player.

 

[sdscard4]

Lakers are pathetic
Davis talking crap about how we got away with one is gonna bite him when we beat them by 30 next game. Wouldn't be surprised if Book drops 60 on them

 

[Hoop Head]

Citing Westbrook as a reason someone like Jokic should be in the MVP race disregards how Russ averaged a triple double and when he did it that was something no one thought we'd see again. It had been 40 years or so since it last happened. There's a reason he didn't win back to back MVP's for doing so. That was more about the historical significance of his stats than his teams record.

 

[Finito]

Jokic has no business being in this discussion with his team in 6th place

He’s missing Murray and MPJ.

The fact he has them on pace to win 50 is crazy.

 

[Finito]

LeBron sitting out this nationally televised game against Luka is the most LeBron thing ever.

He didn’t want any of this smoke. None at all.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Really? They’re on pace to win 49 or 50 games. That’s not poor or mediocre.

Also Russell Westbrook says you’re wrong. As does MJ when he won his first MVP in 1988 when he… you won… you guessed it, 50 games making that Bulls team “poor to mediocre”. And do you know why those guys won those MVPs? Because they were doing things never seen before on the court and lifting bad teams to playoff status.

Just like Jokic.

There’s precedent for this when someone is going above and beyond.

The flip side of that is Steve Nash over Kobe, Dave Cowens over Kareem, Bill Russell over Wilt, Wes Unsled over Willis Reed, Bill Walton over Kareem, Derrick Rose over Lebron.

The league MVP is rarely the best statistical player. Every one of those instances above there was absolute dominance statistically by the person who didn't get the MVP but it came down to wins.

The people that vote here need to establish an actual criteria and stick to it.

I fully believe the NBA MVP should come from the best player on one of the top 4 teams by record. My rankings right now are Giannis, Embid, and Booker.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wilt Chamberlin averged 50 points a game and didn't get the MVP. This idea of statistical dominance is the most important thing just doesn't hold up to the history of the league.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The flip side of that is Steve Nash over Kobe, Dave Cowens over Kareem, Bill Russell over Wilt, Wes Unsled over Willis Reed, Bill Walton over Kareem, Derrick Rose over Lebron.

The league MVP is rarely the best statistical player. Every one of those instances above there was absolute dominance statistically by the person who didn't get the MVP but it came down to wins.

You know what all those have in common, as well? They’re regularly derided afterwards for having made the wrong choice.

 

[GatorAZ]

The flip side of that is Steve Nash over Kobe, Dave Cowens over Kareem, Bill Russell over Wilt, Wes Unsled over Willis Reed, Bill Walton over Kareem, Derrick Rose over Lebron.

The league MVP is rarely the best statistical player. Every one of those instances above there was absolute dominance statistically by the person who didn't get the MVP but it came down to wins.

The people that vote here need to establish an actual criteria and stick to it.

I fully believe the NBA MVP should come from the best player on one of the top 4 teams by record. My rankings right now are Giannis, Embid, and Booker.

You don’t need stats to realize how valuable Joker is to the Nuggs. I’m not sure there’s anyone else on that roster that would break our rotation. However, I would have pause voting a guy MVP if his team is in the play-in even though it’s bad luck.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Paul George looks pretty damn good coming off that injury I was sure had him cooked for the rest of the season.

 

[GatorAZ]

Paul George looks pretty damn good coming off that injury I was sure had him cooked for the rest of the season.

George looks great. Clippers will be tough to eliminate if they get Powell back.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You know what all those have in common, as well? They’re regularly derided afterwards for having made the wrong choice.

Geez I don't think the statistical difference between him and Giannis is that great. It's not the same as the examples I posted.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Geez I don't think the statistical difference between him and Giannis is that great. It's not the same as the examples I posted.

Yeah… but Giannis is playing at living legend level as well. And I think Giannis is being slept in for MVP and said so a couple weeks ago. So if they’re playing at similar levels, it makes sense that they are at similar levels in the MVP discussion.

Personally, I think Giannis is the MVP, followed by a toss up between Jokic and Embiid with Booker making a solid argument for 4th.

And I still think you’re making a bad faith argument as part of the evidence to back up your own with that silly Denver is “poor to mediocre”. They’re on pace to win 3 fewer games than Giannis, who has a TON more talent on his team.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd like to mention that Boston since demoting and then ridding themselves of Dennis Schroder have gone from playing .500 basketball to the top team in the East.

Thank god we didn't get that toxic, loser.

Fearless prediction... Houston will not resign him and whoever gets him in the Summer will be looking to dump him within a year.

 

[Finito]

I'd like to mention that Boston since demoting and then ridding themselves of Dennis Schroder have gone from playing .500 basketball to the top team in the East.

Thank god we didn't get that toxic, loser.

Fearless prediction... Houston will not resign him and whoever gets him in the Summer will be looking to dump him within a year.

He wasn’t the problem in Boston.

 

[Mainstreet]

Robert Williams could return as early as the second round after undergoing meniscus surgery in left knee.

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[JCSunsfan]

You don’t need stats to realize how valuable Joker is to the Nuggs. I’m not sure there’s anyone else on that roster that would break our rotation. However, I would have pause voting a guy MVP if his team is in the play-in even though it’s bad luck.

However. It's not the player who is most valuable to his particular team, it is the most valuable player in the league. Which player is it in the league that contributes most to winning and would be that on any team wherever he might go? That still might be Jokic, but I am not sure. I don't buy penalizing the guy with a quality supporting cast. Sometimes, what it takes to be the MVP is to mold your own game into the team's culture to produce wins.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Robert Williams could return as early as the second round after undergoing meniscus surgery in left knee.

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Unless there is new tech out there or new surgical methods, I don't buy it. That is unless he just had them cut it out rather than repair.