2022-23 Around the NBA Thread

[AzStevenCal]

If that was the fear then they should of moved him a long time ago. No matter how this is spun it comes back to JJ.

Only if you choose to spin it that way. There are several other possibilities in addition to the obvious (Robert Sarver).

I'm sure DA's focus and intensity concerned our decision makers from the beginning but if you simply gave up, without trying, on every single player that had question marks you wouldn't be able to field a full team.

Even when it came time to offer or not offer, they still had no clear cut answer. DA's play was inconsistent. He clearly had value, on some nights he was on his way to superstardom. And we definitely needed him. But it's likely the front office still had questions about whether he could truly be counted on after his big payday. And losing him for nothing obviously held no appeal so what do you do?

 

[Mainstreet]

Couple things

1 if you paid him the max last summer even knowing he wasn’t in your plans you would of had full control when I came to trading him.

Instead you handicapped yourself because the rules of a sign and trade made it damn near impossible to move him and get value( he couldn’t be combined with another player and we could only take back 19 million)

2 if you sign him you avoid all the ******** and drama and I gurantee you he wouldn’t be checked out like he is now. It’s obvious this bridge is burned.

The Suns will have full control to trade Ayton next summer and a limited opportunity (with his consent) to trade him come January 15th.

One can't look at it only in terms of the sign-and-trade window that has passed.

If the Suns had paid Ayton the max when he was first eligible it would have cost 5 years at $172.5 million.

The Suns matched the Pacers max offer for 4 years at $133 million. That's almost $40 million difference.

In regard to motivation, I will take someone who is self-motivated over a player who only plays for money.

I was hoping Ayton didn't fall in the latter category.

 

[Finito]

The Suns will have full control to trade Ayton next summer and a limited opportunity (with his consent) to trade him come January 15th.

One can't look at it only in terms of the sign-and-trade window that has passed.

If the Suns had paid Ayton the max when he was first eligible it would have cost 5 years at $172.5 million.

The Suns matched the Pacers max offer for 4 years at $133 million. That's almost $40 million difference.

In regard to motivation, I will take someone who is self-motivated over a player who only plays for money.

I was hoping Ayton didn't fall in the latter category.

Exactly

Suns handled everything perfectly

 

[Superbone]

Ayton's value is falling by the day due to his lackadaisical play. (I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.)

 

[Mainstreet]

Exactly

Suns handled everything perfectly

The Suns have financial issues regarding Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson as well.

It's hard to criticize the Suns when it appears they may have handled all three situations correctly by not overpaying them.

Personally I would have paid Deandre Ayton and Cam Johnson before they hit restricted free agency but that's me.

 

[Finito]

The Suns have financial issues regarding Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson as well.

It's hard to criticize the Suns when it appears they may have handled all three situations correctly by not overpaying them.

Personally I would have paid Deandre Ayton and Cam Johnson before they hit restricted free agency but that's me.

Right very hard to criticize the Suns

 

[AzStevenCal]

Right very hard to criticize the Suns

Exactly

Suns handled everything perfectly

Very tough to have an actual conversation when one poster pulls this crap repeatedly. Not a single poster has claimed the Suns handled it perfectly.

It's a lousy situation all around. It was a tough call on draft night, it was a tough call when his extension first came up and the only easy call so far has been to match him so we don't lose him for nothing. Maybe DA is mailing it in as payback, maybe DA is just going through the motions because he got his big payday and maybe DA is simply having a bad stretch due to injury/illness/poor coaching or whatever. We don't know.

 

[Mainstreet]

Everyone should want Ayton to succeed. This is the best option for Phoenix. It's up to him to take the next step.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Everyone should want Ayton to succeed. This is the best option for Phoenix. It's up to him to take the next step.

Yep, it changes our future considerably. If we have to trade him we're not going to get anywhere near the return of a number one pick in a generational draft.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yep, it changes our future considerably. If we have to trade him we're not going to get anywhere near the return of a number one pick in a generational draft.

That makes me curious what sort of offers the team received for the #1 pick that year. I'm sure there were a few great offers. I don't blame McD or the Suns for keeping the pick because that was the right move regardless of who was selected, that was an amazing draft class and the Suns had pick of the litter. Although I do wonder what other teams offered in terms of players and future assets.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That makes me curious what sort of offers the team received for the #1 pick that year. I'm sure there were a few great offers. I don't blame McD or the Suns for keeping the pick because that was the right move regardless of who was selected, that was an amazing draft class and the Suns had pick of the litter. Although I do wonder what other teams offered in terms of players and future assets.

In hindsight, I'd have made a deal with Dallas for their pick plus whatever we could get from them. But even that's not a slam dunk happy ending because DA could still become the best two way big man in the game. He certainly has the physical gifts to become an all time great. Maybe a better developmental program and a stronger coach gets him to that place where we failed?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yep, it changes our future considerably. If we have to trade him we're not going to get anywhere near the return of a number one pick in a generational draft.

We ain’t getting that return as is

 

[Cheesebeef]

In hindsight, I'd have made a deal with Dallas for their pick plus whatever we could get from them. But even that's not a slam dunk happy ending because DA could still become the best two way big man in the game. He certainly has the physical gifts to become an all time great. Maybe a better developmental program and a stronger coach gets him to that place where we failed?

No. He has no chance to ever become the best two way big man in the game today. He simply doesn’t have anywhere close to the drive or elite basketball instincts to do so.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No. He has no chance to ever become the best two way big man in the game today.

Yeah at this juncture that’s a pipedream

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah at this juncture that’s a pipedream

At this juncture, yeah. But I was talking about what could have gone wrong if we'd traded out of that number one pick and the possibility that if he'd been drafted to the right situation, he might have blossomed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

At this juncture, yeah. But I was talking about what could have gone wrong if we'd traded out of that number one pick and the possibility that if he'd been drafted to the right situation, he might have blossomed.

Ah. Yeah I don’t think he’s got that in him no matter who got him initially.

 

[Finito]

Wiseman being sent to the G league?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wiseman being sent to the G league?

I guess we can say at least Ayton’s not Wiseman. then again, that was a really weak draft at the top so it’s not like they took him above a bunch of game changers, outside Lamelo, who’s got tons of potential but been pretty up and down.

 

[Yuma]

I guess we can say at least Ayton’s not Wiseman. then again, that was a really weak draft at the top so it’s not like they took him above a bunch of game changers, outside Lamelo, who’s got tons of potential but been pretty up and down.

What's weird, is games I watch where Wiseman plays, he plays well. Maybe something off the court they don't like?

 

[Mainstreet]

Trading for Bojan Bogdanovic makes a lot of sense. He is immediately trade eligible, and only $2 million of his salary is guaranteed for his second season.

So only $22 million of his $39 million salary is guaranteed.

Lakers Still Interested In Trading For Bojan Bogdanovic

Lakers Still Interested In Trading For Bojan Bogdanovic - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

 

[AzStevenCal]

I looked at the standings. Hey, Warriors: na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye.

Sure but we've lost 3 of our last 4 games whereas the Warriors have won 3 of their last 4 games. If the recent trend continues the Warriors will beat us tomorrow and go to 7-8, putting us at 8-6. That's not much of a difference when a two game streak can move them above us. We might be hearing that song ourselves if we don't get healthy soon.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I looked at the standings. Hey, Warriors: na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye.

Yeah not sure I’d throw dirt on that grave…

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Lots of posters dismissed him because he was on a bad team. It’s weird to me that suns fans do this a lot when it used to happen with Booker early in his career.

 

[Hoop Head]

I looked at the standings. Hey, Warriors: na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye.

The Warriors have more titles in the last decade than the Suns have finals appearances throughout their 53 year history.