2022-23 Around the NBA Thread

[Russ Smith]

Extended run for Wiseman tonight in the blowout loss to the Knicks and while he had some flashes overall he was awful. 22 minutes, -29. Klay and Poole were -28 and -27 so not just Wise but man you can see why they don't think they can play him more than a few minutes at a time.

I think his biggest flaw is he gets down on himself, he can't just let a bad play go he compounds it. Had a bad pass then went back and goaltended a shot at the other end that had no prayer of going in. Got mad at himself for not getting a rebound, they get a jump ball and he's the guy in back it's a 7 footer against Ryan Rollins so you know the Knicks are winning the tip, Wise hung his head guard took off lead pass dunk. Kerr was furious called timeout immediately. Learn from mistakes yes but you HAVE to be able to play through them and it appears he just can't, I don't think it's just looking over his shoulder because tonight he knew he wasn't coming out. He just can't let go of the bad plays.

Lots of rumors they're going to trade one of him or Kuminga if they do I hope it's him. Disappointing but if he's only effective in 4-5 minute runs it's not worth it to keep him

 

[Hoop Head]

Lots of rumors they're going to trade one of him or Kuminga if they do I hope it's him. Disappointing but if he's only effective in 4-5 minute runs it's not worth it to keep him

I'd love for the Suns to pick him up. Crowder for Wiseman? I'd do that even knowing Wiseman might not contribute this year. I don't see him developing in Golden State. I'm not entirely sure why, they've developed other young talent but bigs are different and playing in practice with Draymond isn't something I imagine anyone enjoys, especially players still finding their way in the league.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd love for the Suns to pick him up. Crowder for Wiseman? I'd do that even knowing Wiseman might not contribute this year. I don't see him developing in Golden State. I'm not entirely sure why, they've developed other young talent but bigs are different and playing in practice with Draymond isn't something I imagine anyone enjoys, especially players still finding their way in the league.

Wiseman only played 3 games of college basketball, injuries and scandal were part of it, but most damning, he flat out quit his college career in December of his freshman year, opting to take basically a full year off and leaving scouts with his high school career to judge him.

So far he's been injury prone and beyond raw.

I don't think Wiseman will ever contribute. Regardless of his draft slot, he's been worse than Alex Len... and Len sucked. 21 is young to give up on a player but I wouldn't give anything for him.

 

[Hoop Head]

Wiseman only played 3 games of college basketball, injuries and scandal were part of it, but most damning, he flat out quit his college career in December of his freshman year, opting to take basically a full year off and leaving scouts with his high school career to judge him.

So far he's been injury prone and beyond raw.

I don't think Wiseman will ever contribute. Regardless of his draft slot, he's been worse than Alex Len... and Len sucked. 21 is young to give up on a player but I wouldn't give anything for him.

Didn't his first year in college coincide with Covid ruining everything? I know he decided to call it early but it's not long there were a lot of games he truly missed.

I know he's raw but I'd gladly take a flier on him. He has more raw potential than Stix and look how hes turned out. I'm not saying I'd give up a lot for him, trading Crowder isn't losing anything and whatever the Suns get in return is a bonus at this point. If we could bring in someone like Wiseman, I'm all for it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Wiseman only played 3 games of college basketball, injuries and scandal were part of it, but most damning, he flat out quit his college career in December of his freshman year, opting to take basically a full year off and leaving scouts with his high school career to judge him.

So far he's been injury prone and beyond raw.

I don't think Wiseman will ever contribute. Regardless of his draft slot, he's been worse than Alex Len... and Len sucked. 21 is young to give up on a player but I wouldn't give anything for him.

Yeah that whole thing going back just looks like a precursor for his career.

Penny pays his mom to have him move to Penny's HS team. Penny uses Wiseman to get the Memphis job, you hire me, you get him. When the NCAA finds that out they suspend him 12 games. Memphis gets a lawyer to file a lawsuit and plays Wiseman 3 games, then the courts uphold the suspension and Wiseman decides to just quit and get ready for the draft. At the time they said Wiseman had been advised to do that because his situation was too disruptive for the rest of the team and it was more fair for him to just not play. But based on what's happened since, it would appear that was a red flag.

Kelenna Azabuike does the Warriors tv games and he really likes Wiseman, he played, he knows all the players. He says it on air regularly James just needs to get out of his own head and play, stop worrying so much. Festus Ezili does the pre and post game and he is more blunt he says in the NBA you have to have a short memory you're going to make mistakes, you've got to be able to forget about that and just play.

When they brought him in last night the first play I saw RJ Barrett went right at him got into his body and scored right over him. I get that Barrett is a good NBA player but he made it look way too easy. It's unfortunate, James has improved since he went down to the G league and I do think he likely has an NBA future but the Warriors need him now and it's pretty clear he's not ready. Curry is going to miss several more games, it sounds like Wiggins will play against the Nets they thought he'd play against the Knicks but he didn't. So they need guys that can play now. Kuminga has a knee issue right now that's limiting his minutes but he's vastly improved, JaMychal Green has started to play better so I suspect last night was probably the tryout for Wiseman and he failed.

 

[Russ Smith]

Didn't his first year in college coincide with Covid ruining everything? I know he decided to call it early but it's not long there were a lot of games he truly missed.

I know he's raw but I'd gladly take a flier on him. He has more raw potential than Stix and look how hes turned out. I'm not saying I'd give up a lot for him, trading Crowder isn't losing anything and whatever the Suns get in return is a bonus at this point. If we could bring in someone like Wiseman, I'm all for it.

No his rookie year in the NBA was the Covid year. THe Warriors are one of the teams rumored to be looking at Crowder btw. I think they need someone bigger personally but not sure who that would be.

I do think Wiseman can play for someone eventually but they need him now. If you watch when he runs hard the defense really is impacted teams are afraid to leave him because of lobs for dunks, so it ends up creating openings for 3 pointers. It happened a few times on the break last night and in pick and roll. The problem is any little thing that goes wrong, Wiseman gets down on himself and it impacts the next play(s) and it just snowballed last night. Nice kid, I just don't see him having the killer instinct he needs right now to play on this team.

 

[Finito]

I'd love for the Suns to pick him up. Crowder for Wiseman? I'd do that even knowing Wiseman might not contribute this year. I don't see him developing in Golden State. I'm not entirely sure why, they've developed other young talent but bigs are different and playing in practice with Draymond isn't something I imagine anyone enjoys, especially players still finding their way in the league.

If the GS culture can’t fix Wiseman nothing can.

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

Who says it doesn't pay to tamper. Knicks lose a second round pick for early free agent discussion with Jalen Brunson.

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[Russ Smith]

Figures I criticize Wiseman and he goes 10-12 career high 30 and 6 boards in a blowout loss to the Nets tonight. When you watch him catch a ball flat footed like 6 feet from the bucket and dunk with ease you can see why everyone loved him in HS. Game was a complete rout the Warriors didn't have Curry or Wiggins and Klay sat too. They were down 44 in the 2nd half, cut it to 18 and then lost by 30. 38 point loss last game. 68 points in 2 games is the 2nd biggest loss margin in Warriors history.

 

[Hoop Head]

Who says it doesn't pay to tamper. Knicks lose a second round pick for early free agent discussion with Jalen Brunson.

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I'd give up 2 future second rounders for Jalen. Hell, make it 3. He was someone I wanted the Suns to draft and was surprised he fell so far. Granted I also thought Kendall Marshall would pan out because you can't teach basketball IQ like those guys have. Brunson knows how to make his BB IQ work with his limited athleticism though, which is a key difference.

 

[95pro]

Figures I criticize Wiseman and he goes 10-12 career high 30 and 6 boards in a blowout loss to the Nets tonight. When you watch him catch a ball flat footed like 6 feet from the bucket and dunk with ease you can see why everyone loved him in HS. Game was a complete rout the Warriors didn't have Curry or Wiggins and Klay sat too. They were down 44 in the 2nd half, cut it to 18 and then lost by 30. 38 point loss last game. 68 points in 2 games is the 2nd biggest loss margin in Warriors history.

What was it at the half, something like 51-91?

 

[Finito]

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Trouble in ATL.

 

[Muggz]

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Trouble in ATL.

Stay on the East Coast

 

[Carolinacacti]

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Tatum misses Sundays game to go to his five year olds birthday party. I'm cool with it but alot of people are calling him soft. Jordan would of gave his kid up for adoption instead of missing a game.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Trouble in ATL.

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Tatum misses Sundays game to go to his five year olds birthday party. I'm cool with it but alot of people are calling him soft. Jordan would of gave his kid up for adoption instead of missing a game.

To be quite honest I don't care if Jason Tatum takes Maternity leave.

 

[Finito]

Apparently Young and Murray ain’t meshing, Young don’t like Collins or McMillian

I’d keep Murray and Collins and get rid of Young.

 

[Phrazbit]

Young has shot terribly this season.

 

[swagron]

Apparently Young and Murray ain’t meshing, Young don’t like Collins or McMillian

I’d keep Murray and Collins and get rid of Young.

Young and Murray are best buds I think.

 

[Proximo]

I'd love for the Suns to pick him up. Crowder for Wiseman? I'd do that even knowing Wiseman might not contribute this year. I don't see him developing in Golden State. I'm not entirely sure why, they've developed other young talent but bigs are different and playing in practice with Draymond isn't something I imagine anyone enjoys, especially players still finding their way in the league.

I would probably do that from a value standpoint - but that will not help us this season, which I think is the priority. Also, that could cause a bunch of problems with Deandre, he could easily take that as we are looking to replace him.

 

[Proximo]

Young has shot terribly this season.

He is one of those players that needs total free reign, like a Luka or Iverson. Basically I don't think he is conducive to winning basketball.

Don't really think he fits here.

 

[Finito]

Young and Murray are best buds I think.

They’re not meshing. Bill Simmons was talking about it. It hasn’t worked out. Young needs to be ball dominate but that takes away from Murray running point and distributing.

 

[Carolinacacti]

He is one of those players that needs total free reign, like a Luka or Iverson. Basically I don't think he is conducive to winning basketball.

Don't really think he fits here.

We talked about this during that draft. Young and Booker would not work because they both suck at defense. Booker is better now and I would have to rethink it.

 

[Phrazbit]

They’re not meshing. Bill Simmons was talking about it. It hasn’t worked out. Young needs to be ball dominate but that takes away from Murray running point and distributing.

Yeah. Dudes like Young and Doncic are far too ball dominant to pair with another real ball handler, especially Doncic, who deprives his team of fast breaks.