2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[TheCardFan]

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[CardNots]

Lots of choices for a possible #1 receiver

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Lots of choices for a possible #1 receiver

What’s the O/U on how many of their 30 in person visits, the Cards use on potential WR draft picks?

 

[Sparky16]

Now that Caleb has been exposed - hopefully if there is a choice between the 2 the Cards are more open to Maye. His size, arm and demeanor let alone attitude is just better IMO

 

[az jam]

I think Caleb will still go number one. I also feel that Lincoln Riley is one of the most over-rated coaches in the country. His defenses are always terrible and he loses the big games. Caleb was running for his life all game. Riley made no adjustments to protect him.

 

[Garthshort]

Just heard this rumor. Caleb Williams was told that the Cardinals will draft him with the #1 pick. And he said he'd have to do something about it. So, he went out and threw three ints. Not sure if it's true.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[TheCardFan]

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[Chopper0080]

I think Caleb will still go number one. I also feel that Lincoln Riley is one of the most over-rated coaches in the country. His defenses are always terrible and he loses the big games. Caleb was running for his life all game. Riley made no adjustments to protect him.

I don’t necessarily believe Riley is overrated, I just think he needs a better DC, and he may not hammer fundamentals from his Uber talented QBs.

 

[Chopper0080]

what should not go overlooked is Caleb is a great college QB. He is. However, as an NFL prospect, he is overrated. Riley QBs are kind of a more talented version or the Spurrier QBs from Florida.

 

[Chopper0080]

@DVontel best hope for the Cardinals defensive front is how the Titans have cobbled together theirs. A more achievable mix than the Eagles in the short term.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Now that Caleb has been exposed - hopefully if there is a choice between the 2 the Cards are more open to Maye. His size, arm and demeanor let alone attitude is just better IMO

Drake Maye rushing stats for 2023? 64 carries for 184 yards!

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[Chopper0080]

For those who want a good Drake Maye game to watch, the Miami game is good. He isn’t perfect but he plays a game that would look like a NFL game as a team drafting in the top 10.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

After watching Maye and Williams last night I wasn't really excited about either one of them being able to step in and take over the starting QB job

Maye made some good throws and also some bad throws

But looks like an NFL QB

He looked a lot better than Williams who I would stay away from

IF we draft a QB it has to be Maye at this point

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Let's package our two 2024 firsts and our 2025 first to move up to #1 to get Maye.

 

[Russ Smith]

Pennix isn’t it. Just saying.

He has really weird mechanics I used to think it was being lefty but not sure. he'll throw the ball facing sideways and then turn his whole head and body away from the throw? I don't know if it's to protect himself from getting hit or what it's just really weird. He's had 2 ACL surgeries already too

 

[Garthshort]

Let's package our two 2024 firsts and our 2025 first to move up to #1 to get Maye.

Congrats. You just made me throw up.

 

[Russ Smith]

He has not looked great this year. Has been bailed out mostly by bad competition.

The talk on Pac 12 boards is that Caleb is bored with college and wants to be in the NFL but he's got a dilemma in that as his had already said, he doesn't want to get drafted by just anybody, he has a list of teams.

So he's trying to control his draft position, at least his dad says so, by claiming he will come back to college and get another big NIL. so he's got this weird situation where the whole argument of I can just stay in school seems bogus if he's really tired of college.

First few weeks he was better than ever, but against weak defenses. Last few weeks very mediocre.

I still love the talent but as I've always said with him there are things you're going to have to coach out of him, the tendency to hold the ball really low in the pocket so he's not ready to throw, the backfoot throws, throws into coverage too much.

You could see in the first Q yesterday he was just not going to play well. Not just the first pick the RPO's, he kept handing the ball off when he needed to keep it, even the announcers finally commented on it he's deciding before the snap you can't do that with an RPO

 

[urs]

If you watch most of Caleb's highlights it's him getting a crapload of time to throw, then after ~47 seconds the pocket breaks down and he moves and makes a decent throw. Last night he got immediate pressure or even just normal pressure and he was awful and had no idea what to do. Whichever team drafts him probably doesn't have a great Oline and you'll get deer-in-the-headlights Caleb.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think Caleb will still go number one. I also feel that Lincoln Riley is one of the most over-rated coaches in the country. His defenses are always terrible and he loses the big games. Caleb was running for his life all game. Riley made no adjustments to protect him.

I think Riley is overrated, as well, however he's been trying to get Caleb to play more in the pocket and within the offense all season (there are reports of the growing frustration), but Williams usually breaks contain on his own, even with a clean pocket (sound familiar?). Last night, even with a clean pocket, I saw Williams hang in there (good thing to see), but make bad reads and throws (not a good thing). Once the score got lopsided, the OLine collapsed and he was definitely running for his life, not just playing his usual hero ball.

 

[Russ Smith]

If you watch most of Caleb's highlights it's him getting a crapload of time to throw, then after ~47 seconds the pocket breaks down and he moves and makes a decent throw. Last night he got immediate pressure or even just normal pressure and he was awful and had no idea what to do. Whichever team drafts him probably doesn't have a great Oline and you'll get deer-in-the-headlights Caleb.

Yeah just not true, he has 1-2 plays a game where there's nothing there he runs around avoids multiple sacks and then completes a throw for 40 yards downfield. Those are the plays NFL scouts drool over. The problem is that he has a tendency to not react well to the rush, he stepped up yesterday and then threw a jump pass for a pick for example.

SC has NFL caliber WR's, they just don't have a very good OL and it's quite clear he doesn't trust the OL this year and as a result he's been terrible against the rush.

He's still got a chance to be a great NFL QB, but he's going to have to be coached much more than you would assume a kid who's played as much as he has, would require.

 

[Russ Smith]

To add to it the big difference for Caleb this year is the sacks, the 3 INT's last night were terrible but that's now 4 on the season, it's not like last night was typical of him turning the ball over he was leading the country in TD to turnover ratio by a QB until last night.

Last year 500 passing attempts, 30 sacks, 5 INT's.

This year 203 passing attempts 17 sacks, the sack rate is up close to 50%. Some of it is him holding the ball too long trying to make a play but much of it is their OL is just not as good this year. THey were projected to be a great OL but 3 of the 5 are new, transfers from other programs and 3 of the 5 OL's changed positions this year from where they played last season(at USC or another school). ND blitzed them heavily and the OL didn't hold up, and Caleb didn't read the blitzes.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I did a quick search last night, but I couldn't find where Murray has ever had 3 Ints in a game in college or the pros, let alone 3 in a half.

Even the Rams playoff debacle was 2 Ints.

Lemme know if I missed anything.

 

[juza76]

I did a quick search last night, but I couldn't find where Murray has ever had 3 Ints in a game in college or the pros, let alone 3 in a half.

Even the Rams playoff debacle was 2 Ints.

Lemme know if I missed anything.

I dont know but ...
Many Murray s doubters used the game vs Alabama as his worst game (against a very good defense)
He had 19/37 308 yards 2tds 0 interceptions

 

[TheCardFan]

Lemme know if I missed anything.

You are...2x in the NFL (game).

The debate isn't vs Kyler tho. We haven't seen him play in a year and when we last watched him play...it wasn't great.

Best case scenario- Kyler is a true franchise QB and we get two very high draft picks.