25% of the season is over. What works. What doesn't.

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We have a quarter of the season in the books, and here is what I know.

Let's start positive, here is what is working.
1-Rosen looks like a legitimate NFL QB. He hasn't done much, but you can watch him and see a NFL QB. That is great for our future.

2-David Johnson is a top NFL threat in the passing game. He creates mis-matches and can give the team big plays.

3-Christian Kirk will stick in this league. I don't know that he will ever be a top end WR, but he could turn into a Adam Thielen light option. He is a slot player only, but he does enough and seems to make plays.

4-DJ Humphries may be a top 16 NFL LT. May be. We may just lock him up this offseason to have LT set moving forward which would be great for this organization.

5-Mason Cole works as a NFL C.

6-Robert Nkemdiche is a NFL starting DT in a 4-3. Another key spot that we can possibly start believeing we have locked up.

7-Chandler Jones is good in every scheme.

8-Josh Bynes makes it so we don't HAVE to draft a MLB high in the draft.

9-Patrick Peterson is good in every scheme.

10-I think Budda Baker will be ok. I don't know that he is "good". (I like Budda for full disclosure.)

11-Bene Benwickere and Jamar Taylor a decent 2 & 3 CB option. Neither are great, but both are acceptable.

Here is what doesn't work.
1-Coach Wilks. Bad plan after evaluating the roster. Bad plan for the preseason. Bad execution in the season so far.

2-Conservative playcalling. Our roster is not good enough to march down the field for 10 play drives. We have to get chunk plays.

3-Chase Edmonds. It is early, but he has shown nothing to make me think he needs to have reps dedicated to him.

4-Duh, Sam Bradford.

5-JJ Nelson. He is the same guy that he was last year and yet this coaching staff kept him.

6-DE opposite of Chandler Jones. Golden may improve over the course of the season, but right now he looks like a one year prove it deal in the offseason.

7-LBs other than Bynes. They are all bad. Bad fits or bad players, neither really matters. What stings the most is that they represent two 1st round picks that do not look to have a future on this team.

8-TE was poorly set up in the offseason, and looks the same so far. I think RSJ has a role moving forward, but I'm not sure how big it can be.

9-The defense...we lost without giving up a 3rd down conversion. Teams are getting chunk yards early and often in drives.


What to look forward to over the next 4 games.
1-Rosen, DJ, Humphries, Cole, Nkemdiche, CJones, and Patrick Peterson are the bones of a very good roster. If you can be set at QB, LT, C, DE, DT and CB, you are set up for future success. Positive play from this group will be the main thing to watch on this team.

2-Wilks to continue to make the same mistakes, and will start setting the stage for being fired this offseason.

3-McCoy will get fired. We are going to get to a point where someone has to go, and McCoy will be the first guy out.
 

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Chad Williams is expendable too I assume, in your opinion? Man, that leaves a lot of holes at WR.
 

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6-DE opposite of Chandler Jones. Golden may improve over the course of the season, but right now he looks like a one year prove it deal in the offseason.

I'm wondering if they let Golden walk next year and try Reddick opposite Jones next year if he just isn't a scheme fit as a 4-3 LB.
 

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Great post.

Related note: Not so sure how a team can fire a GM who potentially may have found all these: franchise QBOTF, LT, RB, DT, Center. I cannot believe I just said this about Keim. Somers is right that Keim is not going anywhere unless BidWill decides to clean house for a new GM + HC combo.
 

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What looks good at week 4:

- QB, at least for now

- RB

- OT Humphries, Wetzel and Smith

- OC Mason Cole looks to be a good center, and good centers are hard to come by in today's NFL.

- DE I like Jones, Golden, and Mayowa

- Patrick Peterson



What looks bad at week 4:

- All non-slot receiver

- Tight ends, they have been looking pretty poor all around.

- Our guards are overpaid, and horrible. Pugh, much like milk, was a bad choice.

- Corey Peters, color me unimpressed. I thought he would be OK in this scheme, he is not.

- Rodney Gunter, we have enough "depth talent at the position" I give Pierre a pass since he is hurt.

- Linebackers.....much like it has been. The Cardinals refuse to draft them, and there are a massive amount of starting linebackers in the NFL drafted in the 4th round or beyond. For all the Marquis Christian's, Dorian Johnson's, Even Boehm's, and Christian Campbell's that could not stay on the roster, would it KILL THIS CLUB to draft a linebacker, or sign one, or do anything with the position at all besides completely ignore it.

- The overrated Cardinals secondary, starting with Budda Baker. Baker is a decent player, nothing more. Tre Boston is a cover man with limited tackling and run skills. Bethea is old, and a year away from retirement. As for the 2nd cornerback position, well, that is on Keim, the scouts, and drafting. Again, MULTIPLE opportunities to get one over the years but instead going with small school, reaching till your shoulder pops out of the socket, I am smarter than you but really not, players the ultimately bust out, or get injuries because (wait for it) they are too small and not made for the NFL, and is why they were at a small school.
 
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Chad Williams is expendable too I assume, in your opinion? Man, that leaves a lot of holes at WR.
I'm not giving up on Chad but I don't know what he is yet. He isn't' a guy who can get separation on his own. He is a physical player. He seems to still be very raw. Definitely over-drafted but that isn't his fault.
 

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I'm wondering if they let Golden walk next year and try Reddick opposite Jones next year if he just isn't a scheme fit as a 4-3 LB.


That would be the Cardinal'est thing to do. Get rid of a guy that has proven he can get to the quarterback, and replace him with a player that has no position in the NFL.

He played for Temple for a reason, and was a one year wonder there as well. UGH.
 
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I'm wondering if they let Golden walk next year and try Reddick opposite Jones next year if he just isn't a scheme fit as a 4-3 LB.
Golden is way more physical than Reddick. Reddick can't play in the NFL as a DE.
 
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Great post.

Related note: Not so sure how a team can fire a GM who potentially may have found all these: franchise QBOTF, LT, RB, DT, Center. I cannot believe I just said this about Keim. Somers is right that Keim is not going anywhere unless BidWill decides to clean house for a new GM + HC combo.
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Chad Williams is expendable too I assume, in your opinion? Man, that leaves a lot of holes at WR.
They will add at least two high end receivers through the draft, free agency, or trade this next offseason I would think.
 
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What looks good at week 4:

- QB, at least for now

- RB

- OT Humphries, Wetzel and Smith

- OC Mason Cole looks to be a good center, and good centers are hard to come by in today's NFL.

- DE I like Jones, Golden, and Mayowa

- Patrick Peterson



What looks bad at week 4:

- All non-slot receiver

- Tight ends, they have been looking pretty poor all around.

- Our guards are overpaid, and horrible. Pugh, much like milk, was a bad choice.

- Corey Peters, color me unimpressed. I thought he would be OK in this scheme, he is not.

- Rodney Gunter, we have enough "depth talent at the position" I give Pierre a pass since he is hurt.

- Linebackers.....much like it has been. The Cardinals refuse to draft them, and there are a massive amount of starting linebackers in the NFL drafted in the 4th round or beyond. For all the Marquis Christian's, Dorian Johnson's, Even Boehm's, and Christian Campbell's that could not stay on the roster, would it KILL THIS CLUB to draft a linebacker, or sign one, or do anything with the position at all besides completely ignore it.

- The overrated Cardinals secondary, starting with Budda Baker. Baker is a decent player, nothing more. Tre Boston is a cover man with limited tackling and run skills. Bethea is old, and a year away from retirement. As for the 2nd cornerback position, well, that is on Keim, the scouts, and drafting. Again, MULTIPLE opportunities to get one over the years but instead going with small school, reaching till your shoulder pops out of the socket, I am smarter than you but really not, players the ultimately bust out, or get injuries because (wait for it) they are too small and not made for the NFL, and is why they were at a small school.
We disagree on DE oppo of Jones.

I really worry Pugh is who he was in NY with the Giants.

I think our secondary looks worse because of terrible LBs.
 
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They will add at least two high end receivers through the draft, free agency, or trade this next offseason I would think.
High end like 3rd round pick? Because I doubt they go much higher than that. Honestly, if I look at the group in general, they are a legitimate vertical WR away from having a nicely diverse group. I agree that they probably go after a 6 mil per year vet option in FA.
 

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High end like 3rd round pick? Because I doubt they go much higher than that. Honestly, if I look at the group in general, they are a legitimate vertical WR away from having a nicely diverse group. I agree that they probably go after a 6 mil per year vet option in FA.
I think that top of the second round pick is a decent possibility if there's someone good enough there. They really need help at WR with only Kirk looking like a future option at this point (lol maybe chad Williams but I kinda doubt that) so they will need to Rebuild the room with some high end talent.
 
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I think that top of the second round pick is a decent possibility if there's someone good enough there. They really need help at WR with only Kirk looking like a future option at this point (lol maybe chad Williams but I kinda doubt that) so they will need to Rebuild the room with some high end talent.
I think Chad Williams can develop into a Jaron Brown level player with Rosen playing well. Not what you want out of of a 3rd round pick, but I think he can be a good option, 3rd, 4th or 5th.
 

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- Linebackers.....much like it has been. The Cardinals refuse to draft them, and there are a massive amount of starting linebackers in the NFL drafted in the 4th round or beyond. For all the Marquis Christian's, Dorian Johnson's, Even Boehm's, and Christian Campbell's that could not stay on the roster, would it KILL THIS CLUB to draft a linebacker, or sign one, or do anything with the position at all besides completely ignore it.

They did draft linebackers, they just used high picks on them:

Reddick
Buchannon
Minter
 

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Great post.

Related note: Not so sure how a team can fire a GM who potentially may have found all these: franchise QBOTF, LT, RB, DT, Center. I cannot believe I just said this about Keim. Somers is right that Keim is not going anywhere unless BidWill decides to clean house for a new GM + HC combo.


Been on the job for 5 years.

He is averaging a starter an offseason. Color me not impressed.

Humphries, Cole, and Nkimdiche are solid, not great, but solid.

In comparison to Rod Graves, no, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LET KEIM GO.

In comparison to the rest of the league ? Meh, he is a very average GM with a poor drafting history, and current has the worst team in the NFL.
 

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They did draft linebackers, they just used high picks on them:

Reddick <--- That is a defensive end
Buchannon <-- That is a saftey
Minter <-- That is a bust......a linebacker, but a bust.

Kevin Minter is without a doubt a linebacker, a poor one, but he was a linebacker.......so one linebacker out of 5 years of drafting ?

Again, not impressed.

And I say this as being a supporter of Keim for a LONG time, but the last two drafts, the last two offseasons, and the curtain pulled up exposing a guy that may have not been 100% on his job ?

It is time to start thinking about how good this guy really is.
 

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what doesn't work:

offensive line

run blocking is just so inconsistent. I look at highlights from across the NFL and see running backs who get to run downhill ..... and for DJ it seems like a half the time there is someone in the backfield waiting for him.

pass pro: wayyyyy to much up the gut pressure
 

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Kevin Minter is without a doubt a linebacker, a poor one, but he was a linebacker.......so one linebacker out of 5 years of drafting ?

Again, not impressed.

And I say this as being a supporter of Keim for a LONG time, but the last two drafts, the last two offseasons, and the curtain pulled up exposing a guy that may have not been 100% on his job ?

It is time to start thinking about how good this guy really is.

I think those were three poor selections, along with Jonathan Cooper, Troy Niklas, and Chad Williams. I also don't understand why he has drafted a running back in each of the last 3 drafts.
 

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They did draft linebackers, they just used high picks on them:

Reddick
Buchannon
Minter
To be fair minter was the linebacker drafted. Reddick was a defensive end drafted to move to linebacker and Buc was a safety drafted and then moved to linebacker.
 

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who are we being fair to? I think Reddick was picked to play Linebacker. I was confused when Buc was picked.
 

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what doesn't work:

offensive line

run blocking is just so inconsistent. I look at highlights from across the NFL and see running backs who get to run downhill ..... and for DJ it seems like a half the time there is someone in the backfield waiting for him.

pass pro: wayyyyy to much up the gut pressure


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PFF really liked Rosen's performance

especially in light of a horrific pass blocking grade. They gave Mason Cole a 23 pass blocking grade, which is basically comparable to a traffic cone
 

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I think Harry mentioned this.

This team doesn't have a backup RB. God forbid if something happens to DJ, this team and Rosen are royally screwed.
 

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Think I’m a lot higher on Baker & Kirk than everyone else here.
 
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