4th round pick - Logan Thomas QB VT

[GuernseyCard]

Thomas has a huge upside and runs really well but I would rather the Cards take a chance on him with our sixth rounder. This whole draft screams of taking players a round too early. We will see just how good Tom Moore and the Arian nation are at coaching QBs. If they can teach Logan Thomas how to be a great QB and not just an athlete then they are the best.

Arians has said that they didn't expect Thomas to be available in a later round.

 

[ajcardfan]

Arians has said that they didn't expect Thomas to be available in a later round.

The Cardinals have said this about every draft pick they have made in the last 20 years or so.

 

[GuernseyCard]

The Cardinals have said this about every draft pick they have made in the last 20 years or so.

Ok... I guess that settles it. He would have been available in the sixth. And had this occurred, no doubt, someone would argue that he could have been picked as an UDFA.

 

[Goldfield]

Looks like after reading through this thread, a couple of important facts have been left out.





This fact is for the ladies and Jon.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...a-tech-football/2011/03/31/AFkN1T9B_blog.html

So your saying he belongs in a circus. ..?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Thomas wasn't without his issues Friday. He displayed accuracy issues that worried scouts and showed a tendency to hold onto the ball too long. Had drills been of the full-contact nature, he would have taken several sacks.

Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians said the biggest issue is that Thomas zeroes in on a receiver too early.

"The biggest thing for him is trying not to, as you're dropping back, decide where you're throwing," Arians said. "Get back there. It takes him too long to get back and he's ready to throw, but his feet aren't there yet. Get back, move your feet. He has all the talent in the world. It's processing information and getting the ball out of his hand."

Link

I know it's early, but here we go with the reality check.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Cardinals have said this about every draft pick they have made in the last 20 years or so.

Wrong, some selections we said that we thought they might not be available in the third or fourth round... get the facts straight man lol

 

[ajcardfan]

Ok... I guess that settles it. He would have been available in the sixth. And had this occurred, no doubt, someone would argue that he could have been picked as an UDFA.

Exactly. It's completely unprovable as to when another team would've taken him. The Cardinals don't know if he would've been picked before their next pick, or not, either.

Just say you like the kid, and this is when you wanted to draft him

 

[Hollywood]

Exactly. It's completely unprovable as to when another team would've taken him. The Cardinals don't know if he would've been picked before their next pick, or not, either.

Just say you like the kid, and this is when you wanted to draft him

Exactly , all it takes is for one other team to decide they want him. And we have seen how different each teams draft boards are. While some say they had a guy in the 7th round another team might have the same guy in the 3rd. If you are building your draft board based on where other teams might have ranked players you are going to fail.

Pisted from my pjone so please excuse any type-o's or misspelings

 

[Cardiac]

Just noticed this 36 page thread did not a have a single post from myself.

So with the 534th post a have now contributed.............or not.

I didn't like the pick but having heard all the rationale, potential and positives about Logan then I'm more than on board with the pick.

 

[Garthshort]

At the rookie camp is was said that Logan Thomas had a problem with his drop backs, feet and occasionally accuracy. Why not, early on, line him up in the shotgun to hopefully improve his confidence. As he progresses move him under center. It doesn't seem that he's going to play much this year so we have time. Or at least I would think/hope that we do.

 

[Russ Smith]

At the rookie camp is was said that Logan Thomas had a problem with his drop backs, feet and occasionally accuracy. Why not, early on, line him up in the shotgun to hopefully improve his confidence. As he progresses move him under center. It doesn't seem that he's going to play much this year so we have time. Or at least I would think/hope that we do.

You mean in camp or in preaseason games? Seems to me the whole purpose of camp is get better, so if a guy can't drop back correctly, I have him do nothing but work on drop backs in camp.

 

[Goldfield]

No way Thomas doesn't best out Lindley. If we're down to our third string QB were doomed regardless. At least Thomas has the option to beat the D with his feet not just be a statue in the pocket.

 

[BigRedRage]

At the rookie camp is was said that Logan Thomas had a problem with his drop backs, feet and occasionally accuracy. Why not, early on, line him up in the shotgun to hopefully improve his confidence. As he progresses move him under center. It doesn't seem that he's going to play much this year so we have time. Or at least I would think/hope that we do.

paging tom moore - Garth has a suggestion

 

[Mulli]

Dude, you are so consistently wrong that it's an almost guarantee that this is the best draft class we've ever had and Logan Thomas will lead us to multiple Super Bowls and will be in the Hall of Fame.

Your perpetual high-blood-pressure posting has reached epic proportions in this draft, and I'm taking that as a good thing. The Leenart rating system pales in comparison to this freakout you've been having.

If you put a wet towel on your head and calm down, then re-read what you posted from ESPN, you'll see that it is pretty much exactly what others have said in the positive on this pick, and echoes BA and SK on the matter.

Yes!!!!

 

[Mulli]

I have had Logan Thomas rated 112/111 all along.

And now I can bring up this game forever!

 

[PACardsFan]

I had a few vacation days I needed to burn before the end of our fiscal year, so I watched quite a bit of VT football from last year. Bottom line, they were an AWFUL offensive football team. They had a true freshman starting at LT. That alone speaks volumes. The offensive line had almost no push whatsoever, so the running game was nonexistent. I kept looking for Russ Grimm on their sideline, because I was sure he had some involvement in that offense! The wide receivers to a man all played with alligator arms. Not a receiver on that team could create any separation whatsoever, and I've never seen a group drop as many passes as that one. Now I understand why Arians spent so much time having Thomas evaluated. Here's what I saw:

1. Thomas only averaged 3+ yds per carry, because he was always hit by multiple tacklers behind the LOS, and then dragged them for 5+ yards. Whenever he had any kind of seam, he gained 20 yards in the open field.
2. When given time, this kid could throw every pass needed to not only be an NFL QB, but an outstanding NFL QB.
3. If his receivers were even just above average, he would have easily completed over 62% of his passes.
4. Because of their inept OL, I've never seen a team in so many 3rd & longs. Defenses pinned back their ears & brought it. It was like watching our offense from 2 years ago.
5. I was impressed with his leadership skills too. As bad as this offense was, he was constantly communicating on the sideline with them.
6. If Thomas had even one of the outstanding wideouts that were so prevalent in this draft, then he would have been in competition to win the Heisman.

The more film I watch, the more I LOVE this pick. There are no guarantees, and the kid has a lot of work to do, but he has the skill set & upside to be the best 4th round pick in Cardinal history. This kid could be special!!

That PACardsFan is one smart dude

 

[Mulli]

High Five.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Pat yourself on the back.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I was skeptical of the pick of Thomas when it went down, but I really liked what we saw out of him last night. He has a huge arm, made good reads, was very accurate, and displayed great mobility on the TD pass.

I need to see him do it some more, but he looks to have the tools to be a big time QB in this league. Props to BA, Tom Moore, and Steve Keim. They said his mistakes were mechanical and mental - and said they could correct them. It appears they have made progress on that front already.

 

[D-Dogg]

Outstanding pick...I forgot he was out there and I knew there was buzz on him with BA.

I love this pick, it is absolutely PERFECT. We don't need a QB now, and we don't need a QB on the bench that the fans will want in there this season, or maybe even next season. What we get is a project with HUGE upside, a massive frame that is athletic as hell and has a very pretty release and a strong arm.

I love, love, love this pick. I am very excited to see how BA and Tom Moore develop this kid. Could be our long-term starter in 2016.

Did I mention I love this pick?

You really can't (teach accuracy), which is the gamble here. But is it really accuracy, or is the accuracy issue caused by fixable issues like footwork, rushing throws, not going through progressions, throwing off the back foot, etc. that a QB with little experience hasn't grooved yet. It's not like he's played QB since he was 5, and has trained these fixable elements for years and still can't hit the broad side of a barn, overthrowing wide open guys by 20 yards from a clean pocket (cough, derek anderson).

This kid is very raw, and seems to be making some fixable mistakes so maybe the accuracy can be solved somewhat. However, he may just not have much control or may never fix flaws. But he's a great project.

However, you also can't teach the release and easy throw this kid has.

BA and Moore have their work cut out for them, but honestly there's no better spot for him to be. My expectations aren't high, I think he's boom or bust. But I also think Manzeil is boom or bust and comes with high expectations, drama and a fat paycheck. Not really to compare the two, but there it is. This kid has bigger odds against him than JF, but he's got none of the pressure and can just learn from two QB gurus.

Hi PACardFan.

 

[PACardsFan]

Hi PACardFan.

Nice call