6 years, $60 million for Marcus Camby?

[Joe Mama]

I think Marcus Camby's agent is living in a dream world if he thinks anybody is going to give Marcus Camby a contract that size over six years. I'm sure he is just starting to price how high. He can't possibly think Camby will get that much.

Joe


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nuggets/article/0,1299,DRMN_20_2672496,00.html

BIG BUCKS FOR CAMBY?:

Rick Kaplan, agent for Nuggets center Marcus Camby, said he plans to seek a six-year contract should his client become a free agent this summer. Indications are Kaplan would want about $60 million.

Camby can opt out of his contract at the end of the season. If Camby doesn't, he would be in line to make a nonguaranteed $7.75 million next season.

Camby won't reach incentives this season guaranteeing his deal. Kaplan said Camby likely will opt out even though Kaplan said "he's not going to be waived" if he doesn't.

Kaplan won't ask for a seven-year deal for Camby, 30 next month, because salary-cap rules affect players past 36. He said he plans to look for a deal similar to what Sacramento's Brad Miller, who signed a seven-year, $67.4 million contract last year, will make in his final six years. That's $60.4 million.

"I heard something around that ballpark," Camby said of the possible demand. "That's why I pay (Kaplan) to handle that stuff."

Vandeweghe declined to offer specifics but said the sides have discussed money in general terms. He emphasized the Nuggets want to retain Camby, who says he wants to stay in Denver.

The sides have discussed the possibility of Camby signing an extension by the March 1 deadline. However, Kaplan said it "makes more sense" to wait until the off-season, when teams such as Phoenix, Atlanta, Utah and the Clippers will have the cap room to compete for Camby.

 

[Chaplin]

Even if he didn't have an injury history, he isn't worth 60million.

 

[George O'Brien]

Camby spent too many years in New York. Nobody is going to give him a long contract based on one healthy season.

I have seen several articles coming out of the Denver papers slamming the Nuggets interior defense. I am guessing that they have been planted by the team to prepare their fans for a contract fight.

Camby's options are not that strong. The Hawks are not likely to take a guy with Camby's history of injuries, the Clippers are either going to use their money on Kobe or re-sign Q. The Warriors are much more likely to put their efforts into re-signing Dampier. Camby is not likely to be viewed as a good fit in Utah, which is very cautious about bidding on FA's anyway.

I can see no way that the Suns would ever offer Camby more than a three year deal and it would have "incentives" related to health in the deal. Even that kind of deal would be a long shot because the Suns have been burned with injured players on long term contracts.

Camby would have even less chance of going to the Suns if McDyess starts playing well, since Dice would definitely be cheaper.

Camby may think he is in a good bargaining position because the Nuggets do not have another center. However, the Nuggets have the money to get any FA big man on the market this summer, including ones that are not always injured. Also, the Nuggets have the option of putting Nene at center and signing K-Mart.

$10 million? Not in a million years.

 

[elindholm]

I'll go on record with the following prediction:

Assuming he makes it through the rest of this season without another significant injury ("significant" meaning, roughly, requiring a trip to the IR), Camby will get at least a four-year guaranteed deal starting at $7 million or more.

I could be wrong, but I like my chances.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
I'll go on record with the following prediction:

Assuming he makes it through the rest of this season without another significant injury ("significant" meaning, roughly, requiring a trip to the IR), Camby will get at least a four-year guaranteed deal starting at $7 million or more.

I could be wrong, but I like my chances.

I agree, but that deal better NOT come from the Phoenix Suns.

 

[jbeecham]

If the Suns were to sign Camby, I'd be ok with a 3-4 yr deal starting at 4.5 million that has injury clauses where the Suns could terminate the contract and also incentives for being healthy and playing in 85% of the games for the season. Maybe he gets a 1.5 million bonus if he plays in 85% of the games.

 

[Joe Mama]

I'm not even sure he will get that. I really do not think the Phoenix Suns will go after him at all. He has managed to stay healthy this season, but he's only playing 28 minutes per game. He's also not all of the way through this season. Traditionally this is about the point where he breaks down.

The problem for Marcus Camby is that the teams that would be willing to throw a big contract his way will not have the salary-cap to do it. The teams with the salary-cap, including the Phoenix Suns, are not going to take a big money risk on Camby. I think the best deal he'll get for more than a season or two will be a little over the mid-level exception.

Joe Mama

 

[sunsfn]

I was reading the other day that Camby had not played in his third straight game because of muscle strain.

This guy is an accident waiting to happen...........good player, too bad.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by elindholm
I'll go on record with the following prediction:

Assuming he makes it through the rest of this season without another significant injury ("significant" meaning, roughly, requiring a trip to the IR), Camby will get at least a four-year guaranteed deal starting at $7 million or more.

I could be wrong, but I like my chances.

I agree, thats in the neighborhood of what he will get. Its still too much though.

6 years is way too long to commit to Camby. With Camby, it might make sense to up the annual salary but shorten the term.

 

[scotsman13]

Originally posted by elindholm
I'll go on record with the following prediction:

Assuming he makes it through the rest of this season without another significant injury ("significant" meaning, roughly, requiring a trip to the IR), Camby will get at least a four-year guaranteed deal starting at $7 million or more.

I could be wrong, but I like my chances.

bingo, i think you have hit right on the head. and i wouldnt be shocked if that came from the suns. i think that camby will be the starting center for the suns next year. personally i would rather steal nene from them to match up with amare but camby fits a need with the suns. shoot blocking and rebounding no one else who is out thee fits that need as well. with the shot block of camby in the middle with the suns it makes it much easier to run the switching, trapping defense that the suns want to run. also with both amare and marions shot block teams are going to be a little scared to take it to the hole.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by scotsman13
bingo, i think you have hit right on the head. and i wouldnt be shocked if that came from the suns. i think that camby will be the starting center for the suns next year. personally i would rather steal nene from them to match up with amare but camby fits a need with the suns. shoot blocking and rebounding no one else who is out thee fits that need as well. with the shot block of camby in the middle with the suns it makes it much easier to run the switching, trapping defense that the suns want to run. also with both amare and marions shot block teams are going to be a little scared to take it to the hole.

Care to wager on that?

BTW, how do you propose the Phoenix Suns steal Nene from the Nuggets?

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Camby, Marion, Amare won't happen I would bet everything almost.

1. The Suns sign Kobe, No money for Camby...

2. The Suns sign and trade for Kobe, No Marion...

3. The Suns don't get Kobe, they won't make any major signings.

The TMac/Kobe plan has made all "bigger signings" a lot less likely.

If the Suns clear Jahidi White and their lottery pick. They would probably look at 19M$ capspace this offseason.

I am not sure how much Kobe's starting salary would be, if the Lakers signed and traded him so they get a pick or something from us at least it would be close to 14M$ I think.

Do we get the MLE once we are over the cap? Or don't we get that at all because we were under the cap to begin with?

Anyway I think part of the money would be used to resign McDyess, sign Vujanic and I guess that Dampier could be cheaper for the Suns.

If you were a GM you would think like this I think. And if you only get Kobe and can't manage to trade for TMac but it is what you want, you keep your capspace and trade Eisley to make sure you have enough capspace in 2005 to pickup TMac.

If we can trade Marion, JJ, Eisley, top5 pick for McGrady and Garrity.

The idea would be sign Kobe 12-14M$ starting contract, Dampier 6 or 7 years starting at 5M$, Vujanic for 2M$, McDyess for 2M$ or something like that.

Besides that if you look at Orlando's site of the deal they are the worst team in the league and get 3 immediate starters for McGrady and have a top3 pick.

C-top3 pick - Okafor
PF-Gooden
SF-Marion
SG-Johnson
PG-top5 pick - Telfair

That looks like a decent up and coming team.

Phoenix

Dampier/Voshkul/Lampe
Amare/McDyess
TMac/Zarko/Garrity
Kobe/Jacobsen
Barbosa/Vujanic

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by elindholm
I'll go on record with the following prediction:

Assuming he makes it through the rest of this season without another significant injury ("significant" meaning, roughly, requiring a trip to the IR), Camby will get at least a four-year guaranteed deal starting at $7 million or more.

I could be wrong, but I like my chances.

I agree with this. A lot of players are going to wind up with big contracts next year, now that it looks like the luxury tax won't be applied for the next couple of years.


I think Denver is the natural destination for him, since they've already had him for one healthy year. If he signs a big contract with another team and gets hurt immediately, it might be fatal to the GM that signed him.

Denver looks to be a major player in the Mehmet Okur sweepstakes, though. If the Nuggets get Okur, Camby's market value would take a major hit (not below 4/$28m, though).

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by F-Dog

Denver looks to be a major player in the Mehmet Okur sweepstakes, though. If the Nuggets get Okur, Camby's market value would take a major hit (not below 4/$28m, though).

Skeets Wallace is making noises about maybe staying in Detroit. If the Pistons decide to keep him using his Bird rights, then Okur is gone. If Okur goes to Denver, then Camby's negotiating position is very poor.

I see no way the Suns would do 4/$28. 3/$18 would be too much, but at least feasible.

 

[elindholm]

I see no way the Suns would do 4/$28. 3/$18 would be too much, but at least feasible.

For what it's worth, my prediction said four years starting at $7 million, by which I meant with the usual increases after that. So it would probably come out to about $30m/4.

I don't know whether the Suns will offer that, but someone will offer that much or more. Which means that $18m/3 won't get it done.

It's "Sheed" Wallace, not "Skeets," as you have now written at least twice. And I think it's very unlikely that the Pistons will keep him instead of Okur. If they can't find a way to keep both, Wallace is gone.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by elindholm


It's "Sheed" Wallace, not "Skeets," as you have now written at least twice. And I think it's very unlikely that the Pistons will keep him instead of Okur. If they can't find a way to keep both, Wallace is gone.

Oops. I guess it must be because I keep taking potshots at him.

You may be right, but at this point Wallace is a vastly better player than Okur even if he is a flake. I think it will be more up to Wallace than the Pistons.

 

[devilalum]

Originally posted by elindholm
I see no way the Suns would do 4/$28. 3/$18 would be too much, but at least feasible.

For what it's worth, my prediction said four years starting at $7 million, by which I meant with the usual increases after that. So it would probably come out to about $30m/4.

I don't know whether the Suns will offer that, but someone will offer that much or more. Which means that $18m/3 won't get it done.

It's "Sheed" Wallace, not "Skeets," as you have now written at least twice. And I think it's very unlikely that the Pistons will keep him instead of Okur. If they can't find a way to keep both, Wallace is gone.

I thought they might have made this move as insurance in case they aren't able to keep Okur.

Not that they play the same position, just that they have 2 options when resgning this summer.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by devilalum
I thought they might have made this move as insurance in case they aren't able to keep Okur.

Not that they play the same position, just that they have 2 options when resgning this summer.

The two "Wallace's" are both PF's who can play center. Sheed likes to drift outside and Ben wants to stay inside. I'm not sure this is a problem. In Portland, Sheed and Randolph both wanted to play the same style with neither under the basket.

The key for the Pistons will be their chemistry. It is a great luxury to try out a player before signing him to a contract.

 

[scotsman13]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Care to wager on that?

BTW, how do you propose the Phoenix Suns steal Nene from the Nuggets?

Joe Mama

i dont know how they are going to steal him away. i am just saying that i think that nene and amare would make a scary frontline. have barbosa get on the phone with him and tell him how great thinks are in pheonix.

 

[slinslin]

Nene is playing soft like the marsmellow man.

 

[devilalum]

Getting Nene is a pipe dream but it would finally settle the score for the whole McDyess incodent.

 

[PhxGametime]

Slinslin - didn't you trade Suns pick twice?


I'm not as high on Camby as others but if Kobe deal doesn't work out, Suns could put in Team Option after _ years? Not sure what to think of Camby being on Suns team though.

 

[slinslin]

Nope I would trade the pick in the TMac deal.

Step 1 - Jahidi+Cavs pick to Charlotte/ Estimated Cap space 15M$
Step 2 - Marion,JJ,top5 pick for TMac /Cap space 18-19M$
Step 3 - Sign Kobe /Cap space 7M$
Step 4 - Sign Dampier like 6yrs/40M$ starting at slighlty over the MLE/Cap space 2M$
Step 5 - Sign Vujanic 3yrs/5M$ /Capspace none-1M$
Step 6 - Sign McDyess for 1yr veteran minimum or the rest and promise him another contract and chance to prove he is healthy, of course without making a Joe Smith contract. Hopefully McDyess feels like he owes us something.
If not sign Harvey cheap or something.

Everything estimated of course.

 

[Joe Mama]

Kobe Bryant is making more than $12 million per season right now. He's going to want a maximum contract starting at around $15 million. It would be one thing if the Phoenix Suns were unable to get that far under the salary cap. I guess it's possible Bryant would sign a slightly smaller contract if he really wants to come here. I don't see him agreeing to $3 million less per season when the Phoenix Suns have the money to spend though.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Joe.
The maximum that can be offered to Kobe by other teams is 6yrs/100M$.

That is a starting salary of under 12M$ with a 15% increase every year and ends up at about 24M$ in his last season.

Even when he stays with the Lakers his starting salary would be something like 14M$ I believe.