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Tuesday, July 6, 2004


By Chad Ford
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After two years of relative fiscal restraint in free agency, it seems GMs have been given blank checks by their owners this summer.
Two of the top available big men -- Mehmet Okur and Adonal Foyle -- agreed to lucrative deals late Monday night, according to sources. Both players are expected to sign multi-year contracts for in excess of $40 million each, reinforcing what has become a growing theme this summer: GMs gone wild.


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Of the five players who appear to have deals in place in advance of the July 14 signing period, all five have agreed to contracts that exceed even the most liberal predictions of a month ago. Steve Nash's five-year, $65 million contract was so steep even Mark Cuban wouldn't match it. When Cuban won't match, you pretty much know you've broken the bank.
Cuban responded by offering Marquis Daniels a six-year, $38 million dollar deal. Daniels, who went undrafted last year, played for the league minimum last season. Marcus Camby, who has a long history of injuries, agreed to a long-term deal believed to be worth $50 million to $60 million. Okur and Foyle, both role players on their teams last year, will get multi-year deals with starting salaries in excess of $6.5 million next season.
Of the five, only Nash averaged more than 10 ppg.
The free spending might not be finished. There's talk the Nuggets are readying an offer for Manu Ginobili with a starting salary in excess of $8 million. Ginobili, too, was a sixth man on his team last season. Erick Dampier is looking at lucrative sign-and-trade options, despite a very checkered history. Mark Blount, who didn't have a pulse until mid-season, is looking for a deal in excess of the mid-level exception, and it appears he might get it.
What in the name of Donald Trump is going on? Has the rest of the NBA caught Mark Cuban fever? What happened to the luxury tax fears that were throttling the market.
"This is absolute craziness," one NBA GM told Insider. "Teams are so desperate for help, so desperate for big men and point guards, that they're almost bidding against themselves."

Okur's big deal

The Pistons' Okur, who had a six-year, $40 million deal on the table from Detroit, agreed to a five-year, $50 million offer sheet with the Jazz on Monday evening, according to sources.


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Okur is a restricted free agent, meaning Detroit has 15 days to match the offer once it's officially signed after July 14. However, because the Pistons own only his early Bird rights and are over the cap, they cannot exceed the mid-level exception to re-sign him.
The Pistons could get far enough under the cap to match the offer if they renounced their rights to Rasheed Wallace, but team president Joe Dumars has said repeatedly he won't do that. That essentially means the only way Okur will be in a Pistons uniform next year is if Wallace decides over the next few weeks that he doesn't want to re-sign in Detroit.
That isn't likely. Sources insist he is leaning heavily toward re-upping in Detroit. Because the Pistons own Wallace's full Bird Rights, they can exceed the salary cap to re-sign him. The Pistons reportedly are on the verge of offering him a five-year, $50 million deal to stay in Detroit.


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Monday, Dumars was in Philadelphia, Wallace's hometown, to speak at a basketball clinic put on by 'Sheed.
The loss of Okur isn't considered a devastating one for Detroit. Head coach Larry Brown wasn't a big Okur fan and limited his playing time once Wallace came on board. Getting Okur off the roster also frees up time for last year's No. 2 pick, Darko Milicic, to get much needed playing time.
The offer sheet from the Jazz isn't a big surprise. The team is in desperate need of size and has had luck with other international players in the past. The Suns also were heavily involved in the bidding for Okur but backed off Monday when they saw what Utah was willing to offer. In fact Phoenix might have had no choice after signing Nash. Depending on the final salary cap figure for 2004-05 when it is set in a week, the Suns are expected to have only between $6 million and $7.3 million to spend.
The Jazz, meanwhile, still will have enough cash under the cap to offer a max contract to another player, if they choose. The team also reached a deal with, Gordan Giricek, one of its own restricted free agents, Monday. However, his deal is believed to be much smaller and will not seriously impact the team's cap situation.

Foyle to re-up with the Warriors

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Center Adonal Foyle has agreed to re-sign with the Warriors, according to his agent, Lon Babby. Golden State has offered the center a five-year deal worth $41.6 million that Babby said starts at $6.5 million next season and has a team option in year six for a little more than $10 million.
The news will come as a blow to many teams hoping to land the oft-injured big man. Foyle was thought to be one of the few available big men willing to sign for the mid-level exception. However, Golden State has made him a far more lucrative offer to stay in the Bay.
The team's willingness to sign Foyle to such a big contract likely spells the end of Erick Dampier's tenure with Golden State. Dampier is an unrestricted free agent and has been flirting with several teams, most prominently the Memphis Grizzlies.

Inside Nash's dash for cash

The big offers to Okur and Foyle have shock value, but nothing tops what the Suns did with Nash. No one in Dallas, especially Mark Cuban, can get over the Suns' huge offer. Cuban, on his personal weblog, wrote a detailed account of the negotiations with Nash and why he ultimately declined to match Phoenix's offer:


Phoenix's offer to Steve Nash took Mark Cuban by surprise, and he wasn't happy.
"The morning of July 1, as I got ready to go to Steve's, I had determined that I would offer Steve 9 million a year for 4 years, with a 5th year with half guaranteed, but he could get the 5th year fully guaranteed by playing enough games and minutes the year before. I was guessing we would end up doing 60 games and 20 minutes per game to get there. I thought it was very fair."
However Phoenix came back with an offer of five years fully guaranteed at an average of $11 million per, with a sixth year partially guaranteed. Phoenix's offer starts Nash at just under $10 million per year, with 10 percent annual raises.
Apparently, that was too much for Cuban.
"About dinner time that night I got a call. Donnie said I had to call Steve. I did. To make a long story short, Steve said he got an incredible offer from the Suns. He wouldn't tell me the exact numbers, but every time I said a number, he said it was more. He said they flew down a whole group of people, including Amare Stoudemire to recruit him. He was calling because he felt like he owed me the opportunity to match it. I was stunned. I told him to give me a little bit of time to think it over and I would call him back. He was fine with that.
"I called Donnie and told him the range of numbers that I had given Steve, and that the offer was higher. I think Donnie was as stunned as I was. Based on the ranges I had thrown out to Steve, this might not have been a max out deal, but it sure sounded like it was close. There was no way I was going to match it. The amounts were higher and the length was longer than I was willing to go for all the reasons I wrote about."
Cuban cites several factors for his decision not to retain Nash, among them age and durability. The feeling was that Nash, 31, would be making so much at the end of his career that his contract would be untradeable. Cuban also noted that Nash had played in a lot of pain the past few years and he was unsure how long he'd hold up. Finally, Cuban devoted a significant amount of space in his blog railing on Bill Duffy, Nash's agent. According to Cuban, they don't have a good relationship, and it sounds as if Cuban believes Duffy was steering Nash away from Dallas.
Duffy laughed at the assertion.
"I work for Nash, not the Mavericks," Duffy told Insider. "My job was pretty basic -- to put Steve in the best possible position, financially. I think had the Mavericks matched Phoenix's offer, Steve would've stayed in Dallas. However, the Suns' offer was significantly higher, and Steve has a history there, too. His mother lives there; he has a high respect for the organization; and he believes that the team they're building will be a real contender. I respect Mark for making a business decision that he felt his company had to make. But how can you criticize Steve for making the same decision?"
Money wasn't the only issue clouding Nash's decision. There were rampant rumors he would be involved in a trade for Shaquille O'Neal. Duffy claims the Mavs never brought up sign-and-trade scenarios, but the disparity in the two teams' offers gave Nash the impression Phoenix thought of him as more than just an asset.
"The Suns' presentation was pretty impressive," Duffy said. "The owner, Steve Kerr, Bryan Colangelo and Amare Stoudemire were all there. They gave him a book with a plan for the team. They told him they wanted him to be the leader of the team. They even asked his advice on other free-agent signings with the rest of the cap space they had."
With Nash gone, Cuban quickly overpaid Daniels to the tune of six years, $38 million. While it's easy to see Cuban's point of view from a business perspective, given his free-spending history, this recent display of fiscal restraint is interesting.
Two summers ago Cuban gave Raef LaFrentz a deal worth $69 million. He also has taken on the bad contracts of players like Antawn Jamison, Antoine Walker and Jerry Stackhouse. Maybe Cuban is finally learning his lesson.
"The problem is not just how much money you have to pay," Cuban wrote. "The bigger problem is that you start chewing up roster spots and you lose the ability to add players. For better or worse, because we 'went for it' in making trades, hoping that the deals could get us to a championship, we have ended up with several players who don't get much playing time with us, yet have contracts that are difficult if not impossible to trade."

Nuggets flirting with Kobe


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Manu Ginobili's agent, Herb Rudoy, was expecting to get a big offer from the Denver Nuggets on Monday. Instead, Nuggets GM Kiki Vandeweghe was in L.A. flirting with another free agent shooting guard -- Kobe Bryant.
According to the Rocky Mountain News, Vandeweghe was in Newport Beach on Monday meeting with Bryant and his agent, Rob Pelinka. While the Nuggets have the cash to land Kobe, it's considered a long shot that they actually will. Bryant has been telling teams he prefers to remain in Los Angeles. His legal problems in Colorado's Eagle County also would factor into his decision to decline the Nuggets' overtures.
Assuming talks with Kobe don't lead to anything, expect the Nuggets to consider making a serious offer to Ginobili on Tuesday. According to several league sources, the Nuggets have discussed an offer with Rudoy that would start at a whopping $9 million per year. However, it's also believed that Ginobili's first choice it to remain in San Antonio, a preference he reiterated to the club in an airport visit on Monday afternoon before flying home to Argentina for his wedding.
Rudoy told Insider on Monday he has yet to receive an official offer from any club. He did, however, expect to talk to both the Spurs and Nuggets on Tuesday and was hopeful he'd receive something then. The Jazz likely are out of the hunt for Ginobili after coming to terms with Giricek. So far, the Hawks are the only other team with enough available cap space that has shown interest in Ginobili.
Ginobili is a restricted free agent, giving the Spurs the right to match any offer. The Spurs have room under the cap to do so, but they might be reluctant to commit that type of money to their sixth man.

Around the League


Kobe's meeting with the Nuggets on Monday apparently will be the first of several recruiting sessions. Bryant also has visits scheduled with the Spurs and Clippers this week. The Lakers suffered a blow Monday when coach Mike Krzyzewski turned down a huge offer to become the team's coach. Coach K and Kobe were close, and many within the organization and around the league felt landing the coach would have made re-signing Kobe a lock. The Lakers now have turned their attention to former Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich.


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New Jersey forward Kenyon Martin will visit Denver on Wednesday, Utah on Thursday and Atlanta on Friday as part of his free-agent tour, according to agent Brian Dyke.

The Sixers have made a multi-year offer to Celtics' free-agent center Mark Blount. However, Blount has yet to agree to any offer, according to agent Mark Bartelstein. The Sixers' offer is believed to be for the team's entire mid-level exception. Blount, who had a great relationship with head coach Jim O'Brien in Boston, also has been talking to the Heat.

The Knicks want to sign Jamal Crawford, but agent Aaron Goodwin says that after shopping his client around a bit he has determined the only way New York can land him is via a sign-and-trade. The mid-level exception apparently won't cut it. Goodwin said eight teams have expressed interest, including Minnesota, Sacramento, Dallas, Indiana, Denver and Miami. However, only the Nuggets have enough cash to offer Crawford more than the mid-level. The other seven teams would have to work out sign-and-trade deals, as well.
 

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sunsfn said:
The Pistons' Okur, who had a six-year, $40 million deal on the table from Detroit, agreed to a five-year, $50 million offer sheet with the Jazz on Monday evening, according to sources...The Suns also were heavily involved in the bidding for Okur but backed off Monday when they saw what Utah was willing to offer. In fact Phoenix might have had no choice after signing Nash. Depending on the final salary cap figure for 2004-05 when it is set in a week, the Suns are expected to have only between $6 million and $7.3 million to spend.


Well, I feel a little better about the Suns losing Okur now.

$10m per year suggests that Okur's contract starts at more than $8m. Looks like the bar has been set for Dampier... ;)


sunsfn said:
Center Adonal Foyle has agreed to re-sign with the Warriors, according to his agent, Lon Babby. Golden State has offered the center a five-year deal worth $41.6 million that Babby said starts at $6.5 million next season and has a team option in year six for a little more than $10 million.
The news will come as a blow to many teams hoping to land the oft-injured big man. Foyle was thought to be one of the few available big men willing to sign for the mid-level exception. However, Golden State has made him a far more lucrative offer to stay in the Bay.


The Suns might not have been able to match the Warriors' offer to Foyle, either! :eek:


sunsfn said:
Phoenix's offer to Steve Nash took Mark Cuban by surprise, and he wasn't happy.
"The morning of July 1, as I got ready to go to Steve's, I had determined that I would offer Steve 9 million a year for 4 years, with a 5th year with half guaranteed, but he could get the 5th year fully guaranteed by playing enough games and minutes the year before. I was guessing we would end up doing 60 games and 20 minutes per game to get there. I thought it was very fair."
However Phoenix came back with an offer of five years fully guaranteed at an average of $11 million per, with a sixth year partially guaranteed. Phoenix's offer starts Nash at just under $10 million per year, with 10 percent annual raises.

Chad Ford makes a huge mess of himself on the Nash deal.

"Five years fully guaranteed at an average of $11 million per, with a sixth year partially guaranteed" is not a 5 year, $65m deal--It's the deal that Aldridge reported, the 6 year, $66m deal. It wouldn't start at $10m either, of course.

I guess I'll think of this as partial confirmation of the Aldridge report, since that's what I want to believe anyway. :D


If the Aldridge report is true, it's starting to look like Steve Nash might be one of the biggest bargains of this offseason. :p
 

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If the Aldridge report is true, it's starting to look like Steve Nash might be one of the biggest bargains of this offseason. :p


No kidding. The years scare me a bit, but I knew we would have to do something to pry him away.
 

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There has been a widespread myth going around that there would be cheap, quality centers available this summer. But there were just far too many teams chasing the same guys for this to be true. Foyle in particular seemed unlikely to be as cheap as many people seemed to imagine since the Warriors had both his Bird rights and cap space created by losing Dampier.

My biggest objection to Okur was that he would be very expensive compared to what he would bring. I have been saying for months that Utah was the most likely target unless the Nuggets failed to re-sign Camby.

Now what? In another thread I suggested the Suns least bad alternative would be to re-sign Dice and take Ostertag. I am far from enthusiastic about this option, but the other options look less and less likely:

- Blount will get a full MLE even though he has only had part of one good season. The Suns might get into the mix if they wanted to, but he seems inclined to stay in the East unless he gets a killer deal.

- Divac is very unlikely to leave. The Kings aren't going to low ball him and he won't be worth the same kind of money to anyone else.

- Etan Thomas is an RFA. He is not even tall enough to be a permanent solution at center, but will get at least the MLE and possibly quite a bit more. Washington will match even if only to do a sign and trade.

- Swift is an RFA from a team that does not want to let him go. There has been talk that he might go to the Warriors in a sign and trade for Dampier, but most people doubt that Memphis will let him go even in that deal.

- Skinner is not big enough to be a center and was killed on the boards in the playoffs against the Pacers.

- K-Mart is way out of the Suns price range.

The strangest thing about this summer is that with all the big bucks being thrown around, Dampier has not been getting any attention by teams with cap space. Denver signed Camby and Utah signed Okur. The Warriors stopped trying and re-signed Foyle. That leaves the Suns, Hawks, Clippers, and Spurs as the only teams with cap space. The Clippers and Spurs are not really looking for an expensive center and the Hawks are not an attractive team.

Gambo and others have said the Suns are not interested in Dampier. I would guess that at the prices being discussed, that is certainly true. But if they can't work out a sign and trade the Suns might get into the mix.
 

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What makes you so sure the Suns can afford both Ostertag and McDyess?
 

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elindholm said:
What makes you so sure the Suns can afford both Ostertag and McDyess?

Everyone seems to think they can get Dice for the vet min. Just check out Celtics, Rockets, Knicks and Piston boards.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing Dice go it would mean more time for Lampe and Zarko, but I do think he would be good to keep around for the vet min.
 

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Actually most teams want Dice for the Lower Level Excemption of $1.7 million (his vet miminum is only about $900,000). This is why I think the Suns can cover themselves at about $2.5 million.

I'm guessing Ostertag will get an offer up to the $4 million Campbell got last season. Campbell was older and less productive, but it is about right for a backup player. Playoff teams with MLE's are unlikely to use their entire MLE for a backup player like Ostertag, so I'm guessing $3.5 to $4 million.

It only takes one unreasonablely high offer to kill any free agency plan, but I think it is a lot more likely to happen than trading Marion for Ratliff. :wave:
 

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Let this be a lesson to many board members that they dont have a clue on how to value players. Not just stats dictate a players worth but the MARKET dictates it as well. If a team is desperate enough and the players fit is good enough then almost anything is possible.
 

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It is difficult to avoid overpaying for free agents. The best buys are guys that are really anxious to leave their former team or their old team has other financial problems.

The hardest ones are when the old team has their full Bird rights and no problems with the team, such as with Nash. He is overpaid, but there would have been no other way to get him.

At least the Suns are overpaying an All Star. Overpaying backup level players is a chancy business. Just look at the Sonices with Calvin Booth with three more years starting at $5.9 million. Last year he had 17 minutes a game and grabbed 3.9 rpg.
 

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I still say we will regret the reacquisition of Nash....no one mentioned what Cuban said about him playing hurt. We are really paying a fortune for a possible Googs and Penny reincarnation.
 

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minercon said:
I still say we will regret the reacquisition of Nash....no one mentioned what Cuban said about him playing hurt. We are really paying a fortune for a possible Googs and Penny reincarnation.

I tend to disagree with things like this.

Nash has injury concerns, but not that bad. My understanding is that his minutes were being limited because he ran out of gas. Not because he would get hurt. He just doesn't have the stamina to play 82 games, 40+ minutes per. Few players do. The idea was to save some energy for the playoffs.

Cuban's injury concerns with Nash had to do with his style of play. He plays all out, all the time. Therefor he has a higher chance of injury.

However, same thing can be said about Amare (although he definitely has a sturdier build).

What about Marion? His high flying acrobatics could lead to a devestating injury at any time (John Starks kept him from being the player we all want IMO)


My concern with Nash is about the time on the contract. He relies a lot on his speed, and by the end of the contract that will be noticebly less effective. That is the main reason Cuban wanted 4 years. In 4 years, Nash should still be able to keep up with most guards. In 6, I would say that would be impossible.
 

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George,

I really haven't been impressed by any of the center prospects. I am defintiely in the camp of trying to get Dice back at under 3 million (although who knows if it is possible). If not, sit on the space.

We don't have to spend it all at once. I look at it this way. If it becomes a glaring issue, trade for someone else's over priced big man. It isn't like they are hard to come by. I would rather take on someone with 2-3 years left on their 6 million deal, then issue out a 4-6 year contract.

Realistically, most of the big men we would get in either scenario would be there to take up space. Maybe hit a jumper, grab a board. But mostly take up space, and make us feel better because we have more depth at the C spot.

I don't think anyone honestly thinks a center we get this year will be the difference maker (let alone play more than 15 mpg)
 

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I like your points thegrahamcrackr but I also look at players like Mark Jackson and John Stockton, these players were slow but still very effective guards late into their career. Possible the Suns could be setting up the pick and roll more since Marbury was unable to do that with Amare. vbmenu_register("postmenu_402780", true);
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
What about Marion? His high flying acrobatics could lead to a devestating injury at any time (John Starks kept him from being the player we all want IMO)

The only person that keeps Shawn from being the player we all want is - SHAWN - The great players get beyond that play because they are mentally tough - something that apparently can't be said of Shawn - I'm hoping that's not the case with Zarko because he looked like was gonna be an absolute stud when Fortson cheap shotted his ass too.
 

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SweetD said:
I like your points thegrahamcrackr but I also look at players like Mark Jackson and John Stockton, these players were slow but still very effective guards late into their career. Possible the Suns could be setting up the pick and roll more since Marbury was unable to do that with Amare. vbmenu_register("postmenu_402780", true);


I definitely agree. I will be honest and say I haven't seen a ton of Nash (maybe 10-15 games a year) the past few seasons. However, I am pretty sure he is a smart player.

It is definitely possible that he could play his entire contract well.
 

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The only person that keeps Shawn from being the player we all want is - SHAWN - The great players get beyond that play because they are mentally tough - something that apparently can't be said of Shawn - I'm hoping that's not the case with Zarko because he looked like was gonna be an absolute stud when Fortson cheap shotted his ass too.


How many players got taken out like that, and completely regained form?

Correction, how many players that should be perrenial all stars?

I honestly can't think of one. What happened to Shawn/Zarko was by far the most dangerous thing that can happen in basketball, and they had NO control over it.

I agree Shawn has himself siked out, but I can hardly blame him for not getting over it.
 

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George,

I really haven't been impressed by any of the center prospects. I am defintiely in the camp of trying to get Dice back at under 3 million (although who knows if it is possible). If not, sit on the space.

We don't have to spend it all at once. I look at it this way. If it becomes a glaring issue, trade for someone else's over priced big man. It isn't like they are hard to come by. I would rather take on someone with 2-3 years left on their 6 million deal, then issue out a 4-6 year contract.

Realistically, most of the big men we would get in either scenario would be there to take up space. Maybe hit a jumper, grab a board. But mostly take up space, and make us feel better because we have more depth at the C spot.

I don't think anyone honestly thinks a center we get this year will be the difference maker (let alone play more than 15 mpg)

I completely agree. There is no need to hurry. If we can get McDyess for 2-2,5 mil. it's OK. If he demands more let other teams to take the extra-gamble with him.

It's not the end of the world if we can't get a servicable C now. The cap room won't lose its effectiveness.
 

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Won't the cap room be gone next year if we re-sign JJ to a large contract next year?
 

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Freddie said:
Won't the cap room be gone next year if we re-sign JJ to a large contract next year?
We should be able to move Howard mid way though this year or next before we have to give JJ the new contract. I can see him getting 5yr 60Mil starting at 7-8mil in year 1.
 

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SweetD said:
We should be able to move Howard mid way though this year or next before we have to give JJ the new contract. I can see him getting 5yr 60Mil starting at 7-8mil in year 1.
wow you really see jj getting something like that? I was thinking something along the lines of marquise daniels, but I could be way off. What does everyone else think?
 

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I can see JJ get a deal a little less than Nash's. Maybe 6 years/60M
 

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There is absolutely no way to speculate on what JJ will be offered next summer. With the addition of Nash, this year will be very important--just like last year was supposed to be at the beginning with Marbury. Now, here is a different kind of player, one that will get him the ball more without him having to direct the offense. With Marbury, JJ didn't have to direct the offense, but at least Marbury passed him the ball, just not often. With Nash, I have a feeling JJ will see the ball a lot. Hopefully, he'll respond, but we don't know how--which is why its hard to determine what his value will be after next year.
 

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Chaplin said:
There is absolutely no way to speculate on what JJ will be offered next summer. With the addition of Nash, this year will be very important--just like last year was supposed to be at the beginning with Marbury. Now, here is a different kind of player, one that will get him the ball more without him having to direct the offense. With Marbury, JJ didn't have to direct the offense, but at least Marbury passed him the ball, just not often. With Nash, I have a feeling JJ will see the ball a lot. Hopefully, he'll respond, but we don't know how--which is why its hard to determine what his value will be after next year.
I agree with the fact that it is difficult to estimate the type of contract jj is going to be offered, but im not so sure about nash having a positive impact on his game. JJ seemed to need to have the ball in his hands to be effective, however with nash running the point he wont have this luxury as much as he did last year. I hope JJ blossoms with nash, but if I had to pick one out of the big three that might not benefit as much it would be JJ. Hopefully im wrong though.
 

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cepstrum said:
I agree with the fact that it is difficult to estimate the type of contract jj is going to be offered, but im not so sure about nash having a positive impact on his game. JJ seemed to need to have the ball in his hands to be effective, however with nash running the point he wont have this luxury as much as he did last year. I hope JJ blossoms with nash, but if I had to pick one out of the big three that might not benefit as much it would be JJ. Hopefully im wrong though.


i think your assessment is solid. marion is becoming a spot-up or three dribble player more and more. he'll benefit from nash's penetration. amare will benefit from nash's pulling out a defender. jj's game may benefit, but it will be more due to the fact that we have an additional weapon on the floor that must be accounted for (though marbs was that too) rather than nash's and jj's games complimenting each other in any traditional sense. if anything, the compliment may come from roll reversal with jj doing a lot of ballhandling and penetration with kick outs to nash at the 3 point line.
 
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